TRUMP CONVICTED
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Fogdog
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loved this bit in the article you linked to:Not to get off-topic, but…should this be here, or in GOP Leadership?
Opinion | Guilty Trump's press conference was a disaster. Republicans need to replace him – fast. — USA TODAY
Felon Donald Trump reminded voters he's not just the first convicted criminal to run for president – he's also an incoherent and rambling mess.apple.news
Look, I’m no political strategist, but I’m not sure putting the presidential candidate who was just convicted on 34 felony counts in front of cameras to ramble like the drunk at the end of the bar for more than 30 minutes was a fantastic idea. Trump’s disjointed gurgling delivered several "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"-length ads for Democrats to use in the months ahead.
Gimme more shambling, rambling Trump. For the good of this country, PLEASE keep him front and center in the public's eye.
compassionateExotic
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compassionateExotic
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should Biden pardon trump, hell no lol
Fogdog
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People who didn't object to Trump's attack on the Capitol Building on Jan 6 were waiting for an excuse like this to give them permission to vote for him again.
hanimmal
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Yeah it is almost like the person who is being convicted of all these crimes did them and then timed his presidential run about a year or two early on purpose to try to use them to help himself get elected.
MtRainDog
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To be fair, most of those clips of his press conference were heavily edited. In its entirety, it was just the same talking points we've been hearing for the past year.
Hopefully space aliens make their presence formally known and save us from this upcoming election.
Hopefully space aliens make their presence formally known and save us from this upcoming election.
MtRainDog
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What I did find hilarious about his press conference was his wavering descriptions of his "not to be named previous attorney." Cohen went from "legit at the time", to "sleazeball", then to merely "adequate". You'd think Trump could afford better legal representation lol.
cannabineer
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He might have been able to — had he not cultivated a deserved reputation for not paying them.
topcat
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You won't make the big leagues if you can't hit the sleazeball.
MtRainDog
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The whole thing leaves me a little conflicted. On one hand, I strongly believe that no one is above the law. On the other hand, I worry the precedence set here could snowball. Not the litigiousness of it (they've always taken pleasure in dragging each other through the mud by filing suits on a daily basis) but that we'll see even more emboldened judges on both sides willing to actually take these cases on, effectively shifting power to the courts, which is a huge danger for us all. I don't know enough about corporate and accounting law to fully understand the egregiousness of claiming NDA settlement payments as "legal fees," so it's hard to understand if this only came to light due to the investigatory probes and a reaching district judge. If that is the case, then I feel there was likely an overreach on Merchan's part. If this is the sort of thing rich wealthy dudes get hung to dry on regularly, then by all means, prosecute and convict away.
topcat
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Why do we even have laws?
cannabineer
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It’s worth remarking that “claiming NDA payments as legal fees” is not at the heart of this case.
“Claiming NDA payments as legal fees” in order to influence the outcome of the election is. This should add a layer of protection against the activism you mention.
Fogdog
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How to avoid being prosecuted for committing financial records fraud in order to cover up a different crime? Don't do it.
Regarding the question about the NDA being a legal fee. That was brought up in Trump's trial and shot down with a heavy load of evidence. The convicted felon has the right to appeal, which he will. Trump will have several shots at appealing this. But there is a shit ton of evidence that shows he's guilty, so for now, he's correctly referred to as felon Trump. Adjudicated rapist, adjudicated tax fraud, convicted felon Donald Trump.
Who are complaining about this hypothetical "legal risk"? The same people complaining about Trump being held accountable in a court of law. With loads of evidence and juries consisting of people like you and me are having no difficulty producing a guilty verdict after reviewing the evidence and testimony. There was a mountain of evidence presented by the prosecution to the jury to prove their case. Trump's defense team produced nothing of substance to discredit the prosecution's case. Trump will appeal and it's going to take years before this case is finally settled.
The argument you are making regarding legal risk does sound scary and it's not as if it's never happened in the history of human justice systems. People who are accused of crimes are at times not being given a fair chance to defend themselves. We do have examples of this happening in the US and I agree we need to do better to ensure innocent people are not charged with crimes for no good reason. But is this a valid example of justice gone amok? Maybe Republicans should pick a different person to use the argument you are making regarding "legal risk". Trump doesn't seem to be a good example.
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hanimmal
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Its a good thing Biden has a lot more likelyhood of making sure Trump doesn't get elected. All is not lost.
But that is like a teacher giving a spoiled brat an A in class that doesn't deserve it because they don't want them to cry to their parents and have to deal with all that.
I really like what Conway said about how easy it is to not get in trouble like Trump has done to himself.
It was up to 12 Americans to sit down and go through every aspect of this case and decided Trump was indeed guilty af. It is unreasonable to think that we have the same level of understanding of this case as they did when they decided to find Trump guilty of the crimes he committed.
doublejj
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Poll: 49% of Independents think Trump should drop out post-guilty verdict
doublejj
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Exclusive: One in 10 Republicans less likely to vote for Trump after guilty verdict, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds
Fogdog
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At the end of the panel discussion, Scott Jennings simply dug in his heels, denied all evidence that conflicted with the party line he presented and then doubled down with the final act that fascists around the world fall back upon when confronted with the truth about their lies. He retreated to a position of menace and threats. He said:
"This is going to unify the Republican Party.
"Go right ahead " (throw Trump in jail).
"I'd like to see you deal with the consequences of that."
"Go right ahead " (throw Trump in jail).
"I'd like to see you deal with the consequences of that."
cannabineer
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I got a short way into this before I encountered the distilled essence of the hypocrisy characterizing “conservative” politics today.
From one Curt Mills, executive director of The American Conservative:
Americans are not going to agree on this verdict, and probably never will. But the principle of the rule of law and equal justice must be balanced with avoiding the plague of criminalization of the political process that has blighted other systems around the world and throughout history.
The most disquieting facet of this case is that it did not pertain to: anything Trump did as president, nor anything Trump did during his current run for office, nor anything Trump did in the macabre transition process four years ago. It involved his actions nearly 10 years ago, in relation to the concealment of an alleged crime for which other prosecutors declined to ever charge the former president.
The potential for an arms race of recriminations is now bottomless. Americans of all political stripes will one day regret ever letting this genie out of the bottle.
Du’ude. If yer gonna bellyache about the politicization of the judicial process, where oh where is your mention of Mueller being derailed by blatant hitmen in DOJ, two righteous impeachments kittylittered by the Tortoise and the Lady, House calls to impeach our President because mumble mumble Hunter mumble, awesomely corrupt jurispoopoo coming from the Supreme Court of the Federalist Society of the United States of America, and on and on and on?
This is the very definition of chutzpah: to be convicted of the brutal double murder of one’s parents — and then to beg the court for leniency because, after all, one is an orphan.
The “conservative” intelligentsia needs to do some housecleaning with a firehose if they ever wish to reclaim any real legitimacy as a political movement in a republic. But hey ~shrug~ I could be wrong.
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"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".
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Conveniently omitted is that man’s actions leading up to the 2016 election. Also of note is the pearl-clutching minimization of a full-scale insurrection as “a macabre transition process.”
This sort of clattering jaw-dropping intellectual dishonesty is part of the real problem that Curt-baby illustrates without describing. As long as “conservatives” are pursuing the big lie as a flying wedge to ram minority rule down our collective gullet, we will be treated to more of this bucket-of-snakes reasoning.
It goes without saying and needs to be said early&often. In five months, those eligible and registered to vote have a duty to vote the vermin out.
Also, more wistfully, I’d like to see Secret Service leadership in court, in irons for those deleted communications on the big day.
From one Curt Mills, executive director of The American Conservative:
Americans are not going to agree on this verdict, and probably never will. But the principle of the rule of law and equal justice must be balanced with avoiding the plague of criminalization of the political process that has blighted other systems around the world and throughout history.
The most disquieting facet of this case is that it did not pertain to: anything Trump did as president, nor anything Trump did during his current run for office, nor anything Trump did in the macabre transition process four years ago. It involved his actions nearly 10 years ago, in relation to the concealment of an alleged crime for which other prosecutors declined to ever charge the former president.
The potential for an arms race of recriminations is now bottomless. Americans of all political stripes will one day regret ever letting this genie out of the bottle.
Du’ude. If yer gonna bellyache about the politicization of the judicial process, where oh where is your mention of Mueller being derailed by blatant hitmen in DOJ, two righteous impeachments kittylittered by the Tortoise and the Lady, House calls to impeach our President because mumble mumble Hunter mumble, awesomely corrupt jurispoopoo coming from the Supreme Court of the Federalist Society of the United States of America, and on and on and on?
This is the very definition of chutzpah: to be convicted of the brutal double murder of one’s parents — and then to beg the court for leniency because, after all, one is an orphan.
The “conservative” intelligentsia needs to do some housecleaning with a firehose if they ever wish to reclaim any real legitimacy as a political movement in a republic. But hey ~shrug~ I could be wrong.
Bolded 1:
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".
Bolded 2:
Conveniently omitted is that man’s actions leading up to the 2016 election. Also of note is the pearl-clutching minimization of a full-scale insurrection as “a macabre transition process.”
This sort of clattering jaw-dropping intellectual dishonesty is part of the real problem that Curt-baby illustrates without describing. As long as “conservatives” are pursuing the big lie as a flying wedge to ram minority rule down our collective gullet, we will be treated to more of this bucket-of-snakes reasoning.
It goes without saying and needs to be said early&often. In five months, those eligible and registered to vote have a duty to vote the vermin out.
Also, more wistfully, I’d like to see Secret Service leadership in court, in irons for those deleted communications on the big day.