F3 Valley Ice. (Matanuska x SFV OG)

[Farmer's Hat]

Wassup fellas. After a long hiatus, I am continuing my breeding project. I created the F1 hybrid in 2015, outdoors in a greenhouse. F2 and F3 were bred indoors over the course of 7 years. I will be making F4 seeds in a greenhouse this year.

I will also be creating a few F1 hybrids with other strains. I am currently going through the elimination process. I will update the thread whenever necessary.

A little info about me. 15+ years growing and making my own seeds.
A big moment for me took place in 2014 and 2015. I was part of a big start up in Washington State. I relocated from California with my enormous seed collection. I grew dozens of strains and created even more hybrids in a legal tier 2 operation. It was an amazing experience to grow out over 4 thousand plants from seed. It was a ridiculous amount of work and very informative in regards to testing phenotypes. Lol

I exited the industry to pursue other ventures. Needless to say, I am excited to continue my breeding experiments. It is without a doubt a passion of mine.

Cheers
Farmer's Hat

Ps. What is your go to for quality non feminized seeds?

 

[Farmer's Hat]

These ladies are a little behind schedule. I should have put them under some lights last month. The weather out here has been cool.

 

[FmSwayze]

This should be good! Subbed

 

[TheWholeTruth]

Wassup fellas. After a long hiatus, I am continuing my breeding project. I created the F1 hybrid in 2015, outdoors in a greenhouse. F2 and F3 were bred indoors over the course of 7 years. I will be making F4 seeds in a greenhouse this year.

I will also be creating a few F1 hybrids with other strains. I am currently going through the elimination process. I will update the thread whenever necessary.

A little info about me. 15+ years growing and making my own seeds.
A big moment for me took place in 2014 and 2015. I was part of a big start up in Washington State. I relocated from California with my enormous seed collection. I grew dozens of strains and created even more hybrids in a legal tier 2 operation. It was an amazing experience to grow out over 4 thousand plants from seed. It was a ridiculous amount of work and very informative in regards to testing phenotypes. Lol

I exited the industry to pursue other ventures. Needless to say, I am excited to continue my breeding experiments. It is without a doubt a passion of mine.

Cheers
Farmer's Hat

Ps. What is your go to for quality non feminized seeds?

Did you ever test your f1 seeds vs yourf3- f4 of the same strain. What were your parents used to make the f1. Also how comes you took your hybrid to f3-f4 ? Thanks
If you used a mtf clone and the sfv og clone most of your seeds should of been quite uniform.

 

[Tolerance Break]

I want to give advice on where to get seeds, but frankly I feel like you're probably more of an expert on the matter than I...

I can vouche for Dynasty Genetics, Bohdi, and AKBeanBrains. All available at JBC, and AKBB can be reached through email dankortowne@gmail.com. He's recovering from cancer treatment, so he may be slow to respond, but he has some all time great classic lines from the 80s, 90s, and 00s along with some stuff he's cooked up.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Did you ever test your f1 seeds vs yourf3- f4 of the same strain. What were your parents used to make the f1. Also how comes you took your hybrid to f3-f4 ? Thanks
If you used a mtf clone and the sfv og clone most of your seeds should of been quite uniform.

The mtf was a clone, the sfv og were seeds from a breeder in SFV, CA. I use to live in the LBC. I tested all of the f1 seeds and saw a decent amount of variation. I selected the best traits and bred them into the current f3. I am making F4 seeds because I plan to hybridize the current f3 strain and create an F1, that I will cross back into the F4 to introduce some vigor. Its just a complex way of saying that I am planning to disrupt all the inbreeding ive done in order to stabilize the selected traits of this strain.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

I want to give advice on where to get seeds, but frankly I feel like you're probably more of an expert on the matter than I...

I can vouche for Dynasty Genetics, Bohdi, and AKBeanBrains. All available at JBC, and AKBB can be reached through email dankortowne@gmail.com. He's recovering from cancer treatment, so he may be slow to respond, but he has some all time great classic lines from the 80s, 90s, and 00s along with some stuff he's cooked up.

Thanks. I will look into it. Im after some classic Early Skunk genetics and Super Silver haze. The structure of the flowers of the silver haze has performed well in the pnw. Humidity is an issue out here. I made a hybrid a few years ago but never continued the project. The seeds are not viable anymore because I didn't store them properly. Oh well

 

[Tolerance Break]

Thanks. I will look into it. Im after some classic Early Skunk genetics and Super Silver haze. The structure of the flowers of the silver haze has performed well in the pnw. Humidity is an issue out here. I made a hybrid a few years ago but never continued the project. The seeds are not viable anymore because I didn't store them properly. Oh well

Professor P from Dynasty/relic has some SSH bx https://www.jbcseeds.com/product/relic-super-silver-haze-98-htcc-winner-bx1/

There's also a community SSH grow journal here, I'm sure someone there could help https://www.rollitup.org/t/super-silver-haze-community-journal.1095311/

As for Skunk, I'm a bit out of the loop. Shoreline seems to be a go too for worked Skunk. Authentic Genetics has a Skunk 1 IBL sourced from Sam, but it's not the acrid stuff. Heard mixed things, so take that as you will.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Here is another quick update. A got a 40/60 female to male ratio. Its not great, but it will do for now. One of the females is a strain called Champagne. I acquired the seeds from a breeder in Bellingham, WA.

I keep all the plants in 1 gallon pots until I can sex them. It saves a lot of time and resources. I top all of the ladies when I transplant them into the beds, and strip all the growth under the 3rd node. I will take clones from the 4th and 5th node, in about 2 weeks.
I was planning on force flowering everything but I think I will have to let them grow natural. The Valley Ice can finish properly in a greenhouse without any major mold issues. It is resilient and well adapted to this PNW climate. Unfortunately the ladies are a little behind schedule because the weather hasn't been great this year. Live and learn. Next year I am going to have much larger plants because I will start everything earlier and under lights. I might also expand the bed and double it in size.

Regarding the pollinators
I have selected three males with three distinct traits. One male has all the traits ive been working on stabilizing, such as beautiful sharp leaf structure, compact, and super resinous stalk. The second male has more common hybrid traits that will be a good match for the Champagne. The third male has uncanny haze like traits. Long internodes, thin sharp leaves, etc. (I will post some pictures of the males some other time.) For cross pollination, I will be using the sandwich bag method. Place pollen in the bag, wrap it around one the lower larf flowers, shake it, and leave it on the plant for 2 days. The humidity will destroy all the extra pollen in the bag and it will no longer be viable. I will be crossing all three of the selected males with every lady. I should end up with a few hundred seeds for next years project.

Cheers

 

[Farmer's Hat]

These ladies are starting to fill up nicely. I took a few cuttings yesterday, and will be vegging the cuttings for a few months. The plan is to keep a Valley Ice mother with the best flowers traits. I will take clones from the mother and make several hundreds of seeds, pollinating with the F1 (Champagne x Valley Ice) males. I will be selecting males that are exhibiting more of the Valley Ice traits. This line will be separated from the original Valley Ice lineage for a few generations. Them crossed back into the original Valley Ice lineage.

Attached are some pictures of the ladies and my long term Valley Ice breeding project.

Cheers