American Wildfires

[ttystikk]

I think tons of Republicans believe in climate change. I do. Is it human caused..probably to some extent. Humans are the problem with the world. All humans. They are hypocritical and in the end only care about themselves when it comes down to it. When the current humans destroy the world the earth will just consume it all and nature will continue on, just as it has for years and years. Human existence here is a blip, a snapshot, a nothing. Every person will die, be gone, you will be forgotten in 200 years or sooner, but the earth will go on.

The planet burns well over 100 million barrels of oil A DAY. That's roughly 40 BILLION barrels annually. No one could rationally explain how that amount of carbon dioxide production would not have a deep and lasting impact on the Earth's climate.

"Some extent" doesn't begin to cover it.

And that's not all; now that temperatures in and near the Arctic have risen by multiples of the 1.5C (2.7F) of the Paris Climate Accord, the permafrost is melting and all of that biological material that's been locked away for so many millennia is now decomposing and releasing vast amounts of methane into the atmosphere.

But wait- there's more! Warming ocean water temperatures in the Arctic are directly threatening to unleash vast reserves of methane hydrate, which will both acidify the oceans and destroy the ecosystem and bubble up and add yet more methane to the atmosphere.

Methane is 80 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide but fortunately it does not last nearly as long... but it breaks down into carbon dioxide, which does last for millennia in the atmosphere.

This is the dreaded "clathrate bomb" that once triggered cannot be undone; it will create plenty of global warming on its own to sustain the cascade of ocean warming and clathrate melting no matter what humans do.

I'm beginning to think that the only thing that has any chance of stopping this climate runaway is a massive volcanic eruption, the likes of which haven't been seen since the Mount Tambora explosion of 1815. That caused "the year without a summer" in 1816 and in fact caused several years of significantly cooler global climate.

Even that wouldn't magically make the world's excess CO2 go away, so humanity might well only get a few years' respite.

What takes CO2 out of the atmosphere? Us growers know! PLANTS! Reforestation, rewilding, undoing hundreds of thousands of square miles of asphalt and cement pavement in favor of plants and then burying the carbon they sequester is by far the best hope of reversing the trend of increasing atmospheric CO2.

Doesn't seem likely, so I think we're in for a very bumpy ride.

 

[CCGNZ]

Unfortunately, ocean water is a bad choice for putting out fires.
It’s salt water, and once enough of it soaks into the soil, nothing will be able to grow there again.
That’s why they always use lakes and rivers (fresh water) to put out wildfires.

DESPERATION,and predominately chaparral and sagebrush makes up these hill/canyons and salt won't stop this extremely tough vegetation from growing back,which all dried out is like putting a lighter to a can of hairspray. I'm listening to all these complaints/finger pointing over this sad disaster.I'll say there is NOTHING to stop all this dried out vegetation going up in flames when you have steady winds in the 50-60 and gusting to 90mph throwing embers horizontally on more vegetation and roofs of homes miles downwind,punishments for all the looters and the scam artists to come should be turned up to the MAX,however.

 

[Aeroknow]

I think tons of Republicans believe in climate change. I do. Is it human caused..probably to some extent. Humans are the problem with the world. All humans. They are hypocritical and in the end only care about themselves when it comes down to it. When the current humans destroy the world the earth will just consume it all and nature will continue on, just as it has for years and years. Human existence here is a blip, a snapshot, a nothing. Every person will die, be gone, you will be forgotten in 200 years or sooner, but the earth will go on.

First, the republicans couldn’t understand what global warming meant so it was renamed climate change. They still couldn’t accept that climate change is happening. Then, they can accept that climate change is happening but no way can it be accelerated by man. Now:
But China!
By the time republicans are willing to accept that even though China is also pumping massive amounts of co2 into the atmosphere, it would be in our best interest to try and do everything we can to avoid the worst of things that have been predicted by like 99.8% of climate scientists. By then it WILL be too late. Thank you republicans!

Without being able to fully describe on here how I feel about the modern day republicans, i won’t try. But I put most of the blame on the fact that the GOP’s campaigns are financed by Oil money. Then you have Fox “news” lying to their viewers.

 

[Nugnewbie]

First, the republicans couldn’t understand what global warming meant so it was renamed climate change. They still couldn’t accept that climate change is happening. Then, they can accept that climate change is happening but no way can it be accelerated by man. Now:
But China!
By the time republicans are willing to accept that even though China is pumping massive ammounts of co2 into the atmosphere, it would be in our best interest to try and do everything we can to avoid the worst of things that have been predicted by like 99.8% of climate scientists. By then it WILL be too late. Thank you republicans!

I put most of the blame on the fact that the GOP’s campaigns are financed by Oil money. Then you have Fox “news” lying to their viewers.

Fox is a propaganda machine, just like Russian "news". Owned by a billionaire who obviously wants to keep accumulating wealth, and is helpful in keeping people misinformed to keep them from realizing what is happening. Elon has turned his investment in Twitter into a disinformation machine, in which he has been shown to allow and elevate lies. It keeps people angry at anything but what they should be upset about. It also keeps people more engaged because it's human nature to be more triggered by hate, anger, lies, etc. than the less interesting and maybe even boring truth, which helps keep the money rolling in.

Whether it's oil money, or tech money, (more billionaires in an administration than ever before), weakening democracy further will be their priority. They want more power and more wealth, and the checks and balances of a functioning democracy just get in the way. And the most vulnerable are the first casualties.

As far as climate change goes, Al Gores documentary title on the subject nailed it. "An Inconvenient Truth". So, true, but you and I would be happy to adjust, if policy and law became more aligned with helping the environment. Biden and the democrats acknowledge that something needs to be done and have passed laws to combat it. This is admirable to me, as obviously there are a large number of people who just want the status quo, and won't vote for the party and politicians who are trying to fix the problem.

Climate change of course is a worldwide problem. Unfortunately, here in Canada, the oil and gas industry has also hitched its wagon to right-wing politicians, who deny man-made climate change, so they can continue to destroy the environment, and pad their bottom lines at everyone's expense. Trudeau has stepped down, and a spring election is likely. Polls show right-wing conservatives are in the lead to take over, so it will be just like Trump, and expansion of the industry and emissions is likely. Many people are ignorant of the facts, and many want to stick their head up their ass and not acknowledge what is happening. Who knows where things go from here, but because of the fact that more money and power seem to be concentrated in people and governments that deny climate change, it's not looking good.

 

[CCGNZ]

First, the republicans couldn’t understand what global warming meant so it was renamed climate change. They still couldn’t accept that climate change is happening. Then, they can accept that climate change is happening but no way can it be accelerated by man. Now:
But China!
By the time republicans are willing to accept that even though China is also pumping massive amounts of co2 into the atmosphere, it would be in our best interest to try and do everything we can to avoid the worst of things that have been predicted by like 99.8% of climate scientists. By then it WILL be too late. Thank you republicans!

Without being able to fully describe on here how I feel about the modern day republicans, i won’t try. But I put most of the blame on the fact that the GOP’s campaigns are financed by Oil money. Then you have Fox “news” lying to their viewers.

Republican's,have damaged our nation beyond repair,they wave our flag but have advanced our adversary's agendas,thru misinformation and blatant lies,corrupted America's great mediator the Supreme Court,fueled hate to epic dividing proportions,embraced authoritarians we've previously shunned,dragged dignity in politics into the gutter,turned everything into a conspiracy,insulted trusted allies,and put our nation in a state of paralysis. We are sleepwalking and it setting us up for a potentially tragic fall as a result of all of this,will the US make 300 yrs. as a global power ???while the Chinese build a modern blue water navy at a breathtaking pace that seems like a war footing w/6x the US's shipbuilding capacity,out innovate us in many technological areas Electric cars,solar panels,quantum computing,gen 6 fighter jets,while we have no mfg. capacity comparable(our own fault beginning in the 90's) and are a service economy and we can't begin to rectify ANY of this when we tear ourselves apart stumbling along w/our chin sticking out.

 

[doublejj]

House Republican Threatens To Withhold Disaster Aid From California Amid Deadly Wildfires
Ohio congressman Warren Davidson's "problem" with the state's forest management appears to echo misleading claims in conservative media.
Right-wing media figures have recently pushed misleading claims that California’s “bad forest management” is to blame for the fires while ignoring how climate change impacts measures to prevent the spread of fires

House Republican Threatens To Withhold Disaster Aid From California Amid Deadly Wildfires

Ohio congressman Warren Davidson's "problem" with the state's forest management appears to echo misleading claims in conservative media.

www.huffpost.com

 

[UncleJesse]

First, the republicans couldn’t understand what global warming meant so it was renamed climate change. They still couldn’t accept that climate change is happening. Then, they can accept that climate change is happening but no way can it be accelerated by man. Now:
But China!
By the time republicans are willing to accept that even though China is also pumping massive amounts of co2 into the atmosphere, it would be in our best interest to try and do everything we can to avoid the worst of things that have been predicted by like 99.8% of climate scientists. By then it WILL be too late. Thank you republicans!

Without being able to fully describe on here how I feel about the modern day republicans, i won’t try. But I put most of the blame on the fact that the GOP’s campaigns are financed by Oil money. Then you have Fox “news” lying to their viewers.

I wouldn't mind seeing the liberal leadership getting rid of theor multiple huge houses, reducing theor amount of travel, getting rid of extravagant dining and entertainment that is for no reason, etc. That will help them be able to say "see, I got rid of all this, now let's see you do it" but I am afraid all I see is leaders living it up and expecting regular folks to do without. Who Needs multiple houses or even a house bigger than 3 bedrooms? What a waste of energy and resources. Why have expensive clothing when you could wear cheap stuff and use the extra money for climate change reduction ideas, maybe send some extra to a solar company...just want to see so.eone walk the walk once, because I don't see it from any side.

 

[Nugnewbie]

Go ahead and point the finger. It is kind of what we are all doing. Of course words don't fix anything. Taking steps in our own individual lives only goes so far. We need to see ALL the rich and powerful take steps the most however, as they are the ones jet-setting around the world, yachting through the Caribbean, etc. It doesn't matter what political affiliation as climate change isn't a partisan issue, other than the fact conservatives worldwide seem to be the ones repealing any initiatives to address it, and liberals can't do it alone.

 

[doublejj]

Go ahead and point the finger. It is kind of what we are all doing. Of course words don't fix anything. Taking steps in our own individual lives only goes so far. We need to see ALL the rich and powerful take steps the most however, as they are the ones jet-setting around the world, yachting through the Caribbean, etc. It doesn't matter what political affiliation as climate change isn't a partisan issue, other than the fact conservatives worldwide seem to be the ones repealing any initiatives to address it, and liberals can't do it alone.

republicans hate green energy....

 

[doublejj]

California wildfires: Firefighter consoles dog found wandering neighborhood

In Altadena, California, a firefighter consoled a dog that was wandering the charred streets with one hand, while also working to extinguish the flames engul...

www.youtube.com

 

[ttystikk]

I wouldn't mind seeing the liberal leadership getting rid of theor multiple huge houses, reducing theor amount of travel, getting rid of extravagant dining and entertainment that is for no reason, etc. That will help them be able to say "see, I got rid of all this, now let's see you do it" but I am afraid all I see is leaders living it up and expecting regular folks to do without. Who Needs multiple houses or even a house bigger than 3 bedrooms? What a waste of energy and resources. Why have expensive clothing when you could wear cheap stuff and use the extra money for climate change reduction ideas, maybe send some extra to a solar company...just want to see so.eone walk the walk once, because I don't see it from any side.

Asking the rich to pledge to fly less and eat less sounds nice but we are well past begging.

Wealth and income inequality have wrecked our society politically, economically, ethically and mostly. There is one historically proven solution that's as obvious as it is straightforward;

TAX THE RICH OR EAT THEM.

There are a thousand details within this statement but either we do it or at best we enter the same long decline Great Britain has suffered since the Suez Canal incident, where the rich get even richer and the other 99% (yes even those who think they're well off) suffer to support them.

Rich people are not better than the rest of us, just far more powerful- and they have no effective check on that power because they've rigged the system not to. Either We the People put the brakes on their bullshit or we are fucked.

No, the Democrats won't save us; they take as much money from the rich as Republicans do.

 

[ttystikk]

California wildfires: Firefighter consoles dog found wandering neighborhood

In Altadena, California, a firefighter consoled a dog that was wandering the charred streets with one hand, while also working to extinguish the flames engul...

www.youtube.com

These people deserve and need all the money they can get.

Cops don't. ACAB

 

[ttystikk]

republicans hate green energy....

Not really, they're building a lot of it in Wyoming and Texas. We must end all subsidies for fossil fuels and put them in climate harm reduction strategies, from an American high speed rail system to cheap domestically produced solar panels and electronics to subsidies for installing them on people's homes and businesses, batteries, EVs... you know, following the Chinese model.

 

[CCGNZ]

Asking the rich to pledge to fly less and eat less sounds nice but we are well past begging.

Wealth and income inequality have wrecked our society politically, economically, ethically and mostly. There is one historically proven solution that's as obvious as it is straightforward;

TAX THE RICH OR EAT THEM.

There are a thousand details within this statement but either we do it or at best we enter the same long decline Great Britain has suffered since the Suez Canal incident, where the rich get even richer and the other 99% (yes even those who think they're well off) suffer to support them.

Rich people are not better than the rest of us, just far more powerful- and they have no effective check on that power because they've rigged the system not to. Either We the People put the brakes on their bullshit or we are fucked.

No, the Democrats won't save us; they take as much money from the rich as Republicans do.

It's EXACTLY that,These people need to be educated on the DIRE state of USA's present/future position regarding China's govt (not it people the CCP) designs and actions. They are forging ahead at a pace(while we stumble along distracted) of stunning innovation ( I advise anyone to check out the PLAN's growth and present and coming naval vessels vs. the US navy the last 10 yrs. and present). These Americans who have ungodly wealth need to be appealed to under patriotic duty to pay more tax to get out of our debt. prob. and pivot toward a radical change in the military industrial complex which is FAILING our nation ( the CCP has to be laughing). It's not about trans. issues,defunding police, etc,it's becoming perilously about national survival as we sleepwalk distracted by division. I'm saying w/the pace the CCP is innovating at they seek world domination and in the meantime WE are self destructing. WE are arrogant,(we did the same pre-WW2 w/Japan,and at the outset they had better aircraft,pilots,hardware,and tactics Diff is we had the mfg. to overcome in time,not the case today) and assume we are better,hell it's our God given right,we're NO 1. SO YEAH MORE TAX ON THE RICH,it's an appeal to their duty towards a nation in need of financial,govermental/industrial REFORM,otherwise,star learning to speak MANDARIN. I'm sorry this is off point and apologize to the tragic fire sufferers but the TAX THE RICH made me go off on this issue I've been keeping tabs on for yrs.The decline British empire is a damn good analogy other than I think the US is a kinder,more compassionate ,less exploitive/colonial power than was Britain in it's heyday.

 

[ttystikk]

It's EXACTLY that,These people need to be educated on the DIRE state of USA's present/future position regarding China's govt (not it people the CCP) designs and actions. They are forging ahead at a pace(while we stumble along distracted) of stunning innovation ( I advise anyone to check out the PLAN's growth and present and coming naval vessels vs. the US navy the last 10 yrs. and present). These Americans who have ungodly wealth need to be appealed to under patriotic duty to pay more tax to get out of our debt. prob. and pivot toward a radical change in the military industrial complex which is FAILING our nation ( the CCP has to be laughing). It's not about trans. issues,defunding police, etc,it's becoming perilously about national survival as we sleepwalk distracted by division. I'm saying w/the pace the CCP is innovating at they seek world domination and in the meantime WE are self destructing. WE are arrogant,(we did the same pre-WW2 w/Japan,and at the outset they had better aircraft,pilots,hardware,and tactics Diff is we had the mfg. to overcome in time,not the case today) and assume we are better,hell it's our God given right,we're NO 1. SO YEAH MORE TAX ON THE RICH,it's an appeal to their duty towards a nation in need of financial,govermental/industrial REFORM,otherwise,star learning to speak MANDARIN. I'm sorry this is off point and apologize to the tragic fire sufferers but the TAX THE RICH made me go off on this issue I've been keeping tabs on for yrs.The decline British empire is a damn good analogy other than I think the US is a kinder,more compassionate ,less exploitive/colonial power than was Britain in it's heyday.

Nailed it on all points. Frankly, I doubt the United States is up to the challenge this time. Our newest innovation is setting a new record for how fast a leading nation can go from first to worst empire.

It's funny, I was labeled an extreme leftist just a few years ago in this very forum and threatened with being banned if I didn't tone down my rhetoric... And now suddenly people are saying all the same things I said then.

You aren't given credit for being ahead of your time; you're ridiculed until all other positions are discredited. Ask me how I know!

 

[1212ham]

republicans hate green energy....

Not really, they're building a lot of it in Wyoming and Texas. We must end all subsidies for fossil fuels and put them in climate harm reduction strategies, from an American high speed rail system to cheap domestically produced solar panels and electronics to subsidies for installing them on people's homes and businesses, batteries, EVs... you know, following the Chinese model.

Sure they do, I hear it from republican friends and there are endless examples in the meda. They also just elected the puke that will do everything he can to stop it. And speaking of Texas...

The blackouts "never would have been an issue had our grid not been so deeply penetrated by renewable energy sources that contribute the least when you need them the most, yet are propped up by billions in taxpayer-funded subsidies every year," the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a right-wing think tank, said in a Tuesday morning statement.

GOP Gov. Greg Abbott, along with other conservative state leaders, falsely blamed the outages on renewable energy sources like wind and solar.

Texas GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw listed “frozen wind turbines” as a major reason for the statewide outages.

 

[doublejj]

Nailed it on all points. Frankly, I doubt the United States is up to the challenge this time. Our newest innovation is setting a new record for how fast a leading nation can go from first to worst empire.

It's funny, I was labeled an extreme leftist just a few years ago in this very forum and threatened with being banned if I didn't tone down my rhetoric... And now suddenly people are saying all the same things I said then.

You aren't given credit for being ahead of your time; you're ridiculed until all other positions are discredited. Ask me how I know!

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi

 

[compassionateExotic]

 

[ttystikk]

Sure they do, I hear it from republican friends and there are endless examples in the meda. They also just elected the puke that will do everything he can to stop it. And speaking of Texas...

The blackouts "never would have been an issue had our grid not been so deeply penetrated by renewable energy sources that contribute the least when you need them the most, yet are propped up by billions in taxpayer-funded subsidies every year," the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a right-wing think tank, said in a Tuesday morning statement.

GOP Gov. Greg Abbott, along with other conservative state leaders, falsely blamed the outages on renewable energy sources like wind and solar.

Texas GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw listed “frozen wind turbines” as a major reason for the statewide outages.

And yet Texas has more renewable energy production than any other state, including California.

 

[doublejj]

And yet Texas has more renewable energy production than any other state, including California.

Every new home built in California (see LA wildfires) will have solar on the roof....