Why did she slow down so much?

[AlmightyJumpman]

First time grower here, growing banana jealousy in Tupur coco, with GH nutrients( including silica and calmag) and aero light 100se. I transplanted last Friday at around 10:00. I started in a 1 gallon nursery bag and My root ball was fairly small, I think it was from me not knowing how to properly water and let it dry a little but. I never had an issue with growth and stuck to the 2 days every feed schedule since a seedling and it was growing fast. I damn near saw a new node every 2-3 days. But now, she is moving so slow that I almost thought about starting another seed. One thing I can say is she has never been stressed ever until I transplanted. I did mess the transplant up a little bit, the soil fell away as I was picking it but I managed to pick just the root ball up so I know my roots had some major catching up to do. I read it was normal for the leaves to droop down, wasn’t worried about that and I haven’t had a bit of discoloration at all. The leaves stayed green the whole process. The lower bud sites did grow a lot more, they each have 1 node, which I don’t know why because I never topped my plant yet. It’s on the off cycle so she catching some z’s right now. The leaves will perk back up, but no new growth will come. The 6 node actually was opening and closing lol so yeah definitely confused Not knowing much about growing anything in general, I knew if she was still a healthy green then everything will be ok eventually. My question is why did she slow down for about a week? I thought it was a few days

 

[MickFoster]

That doesn't look like coco to me..

 

[Billy the Mountain]

Over-watering when transplanting a plant with a still delicate root system is a common error.
I'd let things dry out and re-evaluate.

Also, your plant is showing signs of a developing Mg deficiency, address that before is becomes more acute.

p.s. What's up the lighting in the attached pics? Looks like they were taken through a green flash filter gel.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

more than just coco but it has coco in it.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Over-watering when transplanting a plant with a still delicate root system is a common error.
I'd let things dry out and re-evaluate.

Also, your plant is showing signs of a developing Mg deficiency, address that before is becomes more acute.

p.s. What's up the lighting in the attached pics? Looks like they were taken through a green flash filter gel.

That’s actually what I’m doing now. I haven’t watered in 3 days. That’s what I was saying, I really didn’t know the importance of letting the medium dry a good bit first so the roots can search for food. And it was in the off cycle, I didn’t want to interrupt the off cycle so I was told to use a low intensity green light.

 

[Dboybudz]

First time grower here, growing banana jealousy in Tupur coco, with GH nutrients( including silica and calmag) and aero light 100se. I transplanted last Friday at around 10:00. I started in a 1 gallon nursery bag and My root ball was fairly small, I think it was from me not knowing how to properly water and let it dry a little but. I never had an issue with growth and stuck to the 2 days every feed schedule since a seedling and it was growing fast. I damn near saw a new node every 2-3 days. But now, she is moving so slow that I almost thought about starting another seed. One thing I can say is she has never been stressed ever until I transplanted. I did mess the transplant up a little bit, the soil fell away as I was picking it but I managed to pick just the root ball up so I know my roots had some major catching up to do. I read it was normal for the leaves to droop down, wasn’t worried about that and I haven’t had a bit of discoloration at all. The leaves stayed green the whole process. The lower bud sites did grow a lot more, they each have 1 node, which I don’t know why because I never topped my plant yet. It’s on the off cycle so she catching some z’s right now. The leaves will perk back up, but no new growth will come. The 6 node actually was opening and closing lol so yeah definitely confused Not knowing much about growing anything in general, I knew if she was still a healthy green then everything will be ok eventually. My question is why did she slow down for about a week? I thought it was a few daysView attachment 5451048

Let it dry every water cycle,pick up if have to so can see how heavy. Over watering can wilt also with stress from transplant. She should bounce back. One great thing to feed is liquid seaweed twice a month give a drink and soak the leaves with spray bottle really good. Don't soak those with light on or dim till leaves are dry then turn back to normal. When you use seaweed like this it produces hormones in plant and grows new growth and healthy leaves.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Over-watering when transplanting a plant with a still delicate root system is a common error.
I'd let things dry out and re-evaluate.

Also, your plant is showing signs of a developing Mg deficiency, address that before is becomes more acute.

p.s. What's up the lighting in the attached pics? Looks like they were taken through a green flash filter gel.

And I noticed the same thing around 1-2 weeks of growth, it’s at like 3-4 now. On the feed chart for GH, the aggressive feed had 2 ml of calmag so I just put that into my light feeding nutes. It was yellowing a good bit but it’s not anymore as much, if anything, the very new growth fresh out the stem is kind of yellow

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

This is how she looks on a normal day, this is like a week and a half ago. She just is at node 6. I haven’t taken a recent pic

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Over-watering when transplanting a plant with a still delicate root system is a common error.
I'd let things dry out and re-evaluate.

Also, your plant is showing signs of a developing Mg deficiency, address that before is becomes more acute.

p.s. What's up the lighting in the attached pics? Looks like they were taken through a green flash filter gel.

If I’m at 2 ml of calmag, how much more should I go. Right now on the feed chart, it’s at 1.8. I added .2 more but you have experience so I’ll listen to you

 

[Billy the Mountain]

If I’m at 2 ml of calmag, how much more should I go. Right now on the feed chart, it’s at 1.8. I added .2 more but you have experience so I’ll listen to you

None imho.
I'd take a wait-and-see approach rather than add additional CalMag (the most over-used and frankly, abused, product in hydro). Many plant deficiencies are not because the nute in question is lacking sufficient quantities in the grow medium, but rather it's unavailable for uptake. Adding more only exacerbates the issue. I also wouldn't worry too much about it; many plants have some transplant shock or staganation, and mature into killer plants.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

None imho.
I'd take a wait-and-see approach rather than add additional CalMag (the most over-used and frankly, abused, product in hydro). Many plant deficiencies are not because the nute in question is lacking sufficient quantities in the grow medium, but rather it's unavailable for uptake. Adding more only exacerbates the issue. I also wouldn't worry too much about it; many plants have some transplant shock or staganation, and mature into killer plants.

So as I said before, once it hits 8:00 on my end, it’ll be 3 days since I watered. The light is off so the leaves droop naturally but do I water today? The weight of the pot is significantly lighter than when I first watered. 5 gallons of medium with soil has a bit of weight. It still has weight but nothing compared to when it was first watered. is this the time I’m supposed to let the roots search for food in the soil and let them expand? Or give them water when the lights come on today?

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Let it dry every water cycle,pick up if have to so can see how heavy. Over watering can wilt also with stress from transplant. She should bounce back. One great thing to feed is liquid seaweed twice a month give a drink and soak the leaves with spray bottle really good. Don't soak those with light on or dim till leaves are dry then turn back to normal. When you use seaweed like this it produces hormones in plant and grows new growth and healthy leaves.

So a foliar spray? I’m down to try it. I’m open to whatever works lol. I thought about getting liquid seaweed but I didn’t want to mix different nutrient brands. I can rock with a foliar spray since it’s not going in the soil

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

You all are truly blessings

 

[Jjgrow420]

Stick your finger in the pot. Is it wet? Or is it damp? or is it dry? If the first inch or so is dry then water. And only water around the plant not the whole pot until it gets going better. That is not true pure Coco coir, it's a mix of Coco (35%) and sawdust. (FYI; aged forest products is code word for sawdust they scraped off the floor of a lumber mill.). So basically your growing in 65-70% sawdust and some perlite with a bit of poopy Coco pith (cheapest crap of Coco) Next time don't fall for over priced soiless media. Just get promix, or sunshine mix #4 and add some compost and work castings and that would be 1000% better and cheaper than that overpriced junk targeted to growers who don't know any better.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Stick your finger in the pot. Is it wet? Or is it damp? or is it dry? If the first inch or so is dry then water. And only water around the plant not the whole pot until it gets going better. That is not true pure Coco coir, it's a mix of Coco (35%) and sawdust. (FYI; aged forest products is code word for sawdust they scraped off the floor of a lumber mill.). So basically your growing in 65-70% sawdust and some perlite with a bit of poopy Coco pith (cheapest crap of Coco) Next time don't fall for over priced soiless media. Just get promix, or sunshine mix #4 and add some compost and work castings and that would be 1000% better and cheaper than that overpriced junk targeted to growers who don't know any better.

I understand, live and learn. I was watching a YouTuber use that same media and his plants were beautiful. And I felt it yesterday, I damn near stuck my entire index finger in it and it was dry around the outer area but the surrounding area like the leaves directly under the leaves still had slight moisture. Honestly, I was going to wait it out until the leaves gave me some type of sign they need water but if I need to water when the lights come on today then that’s fine too. AND JUST ONE MORE THING, can I start my mainline at this point with it having slow growth and all from the transplant? It was last Friday I did it and they shook back. I just don’t want to add more stress. My 6 node has been in the same spot since Saturday.

 

[Jjgrow420]

I understand, live and learn. I was watching a YouTuber use that same media and his plants were beautiful. And I felt it yesterday, I damn near stuck my entire index finger in it and it was dry around the outer area but the surrounding area like the leaves directly under the leaves still had slight moisture. Honestly, I was going to wait it out until the leaves gave me some type of sign they need water but if I need to water when the lights come on today then that’s fine too. AND JUST ONE MORE THING, can I start my mainline at this point with it having slow growth and all from the transplant? It was last Friday I did it and they shook back. I just don’t want to add more stress. My 6 node has been in the same spot since Saturday.

It's all going to boil down to exp. You need to pick the medium you want to grow with and stick with it and learn how to grow in it. There will be disaster, but there will be success too. It's hard for anyone to tell you when you need to water because all they know is a picture. I (they) can't feel the medium, can't lift the pot, don't know your environmental factors... So basically all we can do is give you a baseline and you need to figure it out from there. There's so many different factors that could be influencing the growth (or non growth in your case) that we just don't know. I personally don't use that kind of medium but (baseline) using a soiless medium generally you want dryback. The pot should feel light. Some people actually weigh the pot to figure out when to water for the first bit so you can get a grasp of not enough/too much/just right (weight dry, weight wet). Generally we also transplant from small pots to big to avoid this kind of over watering issue in a big pot with little roots. You made some mistakes. It's ok. We all do.
I also wouldnt be doing any sort of stressful things to the plant right now like bending or topping because that's just Gona set you back even more.
You want a happy healthy plant before training. When you bend it and come back in an hour or two it should already be trying to right itself back up.
You could do it if coarse but it might just end up not doing much for some time before it grows enough roots.
Another thing is to water with less volume, more often. Instead of dumping a bunch of water on it you can water a very small amount a few times per day. Or maybe only once a day. Or maybe twice.... You need to figure that out by watching the plants response. Droopy leaves are an indication of over/under watering (watering frequency issues). They should be nice and perky all the time.

And when I say water less more often I'm talking about like a splash of water directly at the base of the plant straight to the roots. Even using a spray bottle can help you avoid the urge to water too much. Just a few spritz is all a small plant needs for a day to survive.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Stick your finger in the pot. Is it wet? Or is it damp? or is it dry? If the first inch or so is dry then water. And only water around the plant not the whole pot until it gets going better. That is not true pure Coco coir, it's a mix of Coco (35%) and sawdust. (FYI; aged forest products is code word for sawdust they scraped off the floor of a lumber mill.). So basically your growing in 65-70% sawdust and some perlite with a bit of poopy Coco pith (cheapest crap of Coco) Next time don't fall for over priced soiless media. Just get promix, or sunshine mix #4 and add some compost and work castings and that would be 1000% better and cheaper than that overpriced junk targeted to growers who don't know any better.

It's all going to boil down to exp. You need to pick the medium you want to grow with and stick with it and learn how to grow in it. There will be disaster, but there will be success too. It's hard for anyone to tell you when you need to water because all they know is a picture. I (they) can't feel the medium, can't lift the pot, don't know your environmental factors... So basically all we can do is give you a baseline and you need to figure it out from there. There's so many different factors that could be influencing the growth (or non growth in your case) that we just don't know. I personally don't use that kind of medium but (baseline) using a soiless medium generally you want dryback. The pot should feel light. Some people actually weight the pot to figure out when to water for the first bit so you can get a grasp of not enough/too much/just right. Generally we also transplant from small pots to big to avoid this kind of over watering issue in a big pot with little roots. You made some mistakes. It's ok. We all do.
I also wouldnt be doing any sort of stressful things to the plant right now like bending or topping because that's just Gona set you back even more.
You want a happy healthy plant before training. When you bend it and come back in an hour or two it should already be trying to right itself back up.
You could do it if coarse but it might just end up not doing much for some time before it grows enough roots.

ok that’s informational. My temp is 80-83 at 75% light while on the veg spectrum. Night temp is around 73-75%. My humidity is at 70% right now. Everything was perfect until i transplanted. If im mainlining, im already planning on a long veg time so im ok with it focusing on roots. Makes sense, if nothing is happening up top then it has to be where you can’t see it if your plant is healthy. I’m glad I reached out for help before I just started cutting

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

ok that’s informational. My temp is 80-83 at 75% light while on the veg spectrum. Night temp is around 73-75%. My humidity is at 70% right now. Everything was perfect until i transplanted. If im mainlining, im already planning on a long veg time so im ok with it focusing on roots. Makes sense, if nothing is happening up top then it has to be where you can’t see it if your plant is healthy. I’m glad I reached out for help before I just started cutting

And like 18 inches exactly from the light with the aero light se 100w

 

[Jjgrow420]

ok that’s informational. My temp is 80-83 at 75% light while on the veg spectrum. Night temp is around 73-75%. My humidity is at 70% right now. Everything was perfect until i transplanted. If im mainlining, im already planning on a long veg time so im ok with it focusing on roots. Makes sense, if nothing is happening up top then it has to be where you can’t see it if your plant is healthy. I’m glad I reached out for help before I just started cutting

Your environment isn't bad. It's actually pretty good. 70rh maybe a bit high but that's nominal.
Aha.... Lights on 75%...? What kind of light is it? Early stage growth doesn't need high intensity lighting like flowering does. Try dialing it down to 25% and see what happens. I know it seems crazy but you don't need much light to veg. (250-500 ppfd) Plants will droop if the dli is too high.
If the plant responds well, then up the light by 5% each day or every other day until you notice it drooping again. Then dial it down 5% and wait till lights off. Take a peak right before lights off. Is it droopy? Dli is too high. Reduce by 5% and repeat.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Your environment isn't bad. It's actually pretty good. 70rh maybe a bit high but that's nominal.
Aha.... Lights on 75%...? What kind of light is it? Early stage growth doesn't need high intensity lighting like flowering does. Try dialing it down to 25% and see what happens. I know it seems crazy but you don't need much light to veg. (250-500 umol) Plants will droop if the dli is too high.

I have a decent light. The aero light se100w. See the thing is I have the grow hub with VIVOSUN and the seedling stage legit started off at 60% which even I thought it was high and I don’t even know what I’m doing. So I turned it down to 45% and then it started stretching. The day after I put back on 60%, true leave started forming so that’s why it may seem like I’m starting off with high power. I was gradually increasing it by 5% every week. Being im on week 3 at 75%. Seedling is 60%, veg is 80%, and flower is 100% for their program. I never had light burn so I thought I was doing fine but I could be wrong. I’m in a 2x2x4 with not a lot of vertical height so that’s why im mainlining