Have you grown out Hermi seeds? All Hermi plants?

[Fish scale]

Most of the cookie strains I run are hermie but the plants produce super fire bud so they are worth growing out. I just pluck the pollen sacs off with my fingers as soon as I notice them and the bud turns out fine, no seeds in the buds. You just have to watch for them to start producing pollen sacs in week 2 of flower and pluck them all off straight away, by week 4 or 5 of flower they stop producing pollen sacs and focus on producing bud.

 

[Unga Bunga]

I've grown bag seed and gotten great weed . I've grown seed from full blown hermaphrodites and gotten more full blown hermaphrodites . If I remember correctly the strain was Chronic .

I used to find the occasional seed in 2nd cutting dispensary weed and they all grew into female plants that didn't hermie . I haven't found one of those for years now .

I personally wouldn't grow seeds from known hermaphrodites if I was depending on a crop . As an experiment away from other plants of known dependability I might mess around with them knowing I might have to trash them at some point .

 

[Relaxed]

Most of the cookie strains I run are hermie but the plants produce super fire bud so they are worth growing out. I just pluck the pollen sacs off with my fingers as soon as I notice them and the bud turns out fine, no seeds in the buds. You just have to watch for them to start producing pollen sacs in week 2 of flower and pluck them all off straight away, by week 4 or 5 of flower they stop producing pollen sacs and focus on producing bud.

I am finding out the same about the cookie strains. good chunky frosty as hell buds most very purple. Ton of seeds.... Man, I am tired of focusing on hermis. One of the reasons for the thread...I heard Oreo has about the same hermi trait but i have not grown it.

 

[Fish scale]

I am finding out the same about the cookie strains. good chunky frosty as hell buds most very purple. Ton of seeds.... Man, I am tired of focusing on hermis. One of the reasons for the thread...I heard Oreo has about the same hermi trait but i have not grown it.

Just make sure you pluck the pollen sacs off the plant and you won't have seeds in the buds, they start producing pollen sacs around week 2 and stop producing them by around week 5. Make sure you catch them early otherwise they will pollenate your plant

 

[conor c]

I am finding out the same about the cookie strains. good chunky frosty as hell buds most very purple. Ton of seeds.... Man, I am tired of focusing on hermis. One of the reasons for the thread...I heard Oreo has about the same hermi trait but i have not grown it.

Each to there own there tasty n look good but it's pretty weak sauce Ime the hybrids can be better but buds that could smash windows is literally it's best trait it holds imo

 

[Diego']

Don't be to haste js...it does come with a price also js

An academic question then, say you do see a couple of open nanners on a female due to environmental conditions, that one was responsible for. Could you bust out some pollen from the freezer, pollinate said plant, and possibly get not only the results of Hermies, but crossed genetics as well from the intentional pollination?

 

[Diego']

I've grown bag seed and gotten great weed . I've grown seed from full blown hermaphrodites and gotten more full blown hermaphrodites . If I remember correctly the strain was Chronic .

I used to find the occasional seed in 2nd cutting dispensary weed and they all grew into female plants that didn't hermie . I haven't found one of those for years now .

I personally wouldn't grow seeds from known hermaphrodites if I was depending on a crop . As an experiment away from other plants of known dependability I might mess around with them knowing I might have to trash them at some point .

I have one hermied Lemon Haze seed from a male plant. Wonder if I should try popping it.

 

[Waterboy420]

Sometimes you will find something good

Got some good genetics but the plants hermi. Some a bunch and some a few. Thought about running those hermis seeds see what i get? What's your experience? I know seeds are cheaper these days but thought Id ask before doing it.

 

[hostagecs]

i found 4 banana og seeds in a bag, gunna grow them out next so add fuel to this fire

 

[GorillafingerBlunt]

I had a bodhi wookie v2 hermi on me due to light leaks and saved a bunch of seeds. Grew one out that didn’t herm at all and actually just popped another yesterday to see if I get luck again.

 

[DoubleD5374]

So how do you stabilize ? I have four strains that are fast flowering , very high end cuts, I want to self seed , because I have a 1 acre field to plant next year , and was wondering if you SS and produce several herms , do you just keep self pollinating the female you want , to try to stabilize those genetics ?

 

[medidedicated]

Il be damned if I can answer that already but if I had to guess real quick.. You either outcross or inbreed. Outcrossing would be better but once you inbreed you start to concentrate the same genes. Those include bad ones we cannot see. If working with a plant with herm tendencies that can keep coming up.

To where you have to introduce more genes to mask that expression from a different strain. Idk because Im seeing two diff questions, you got good genes or not? To breed out a herm was complicated last I checked that I didnt even want to persue.

I ended up trying again with a new project and already have the whole thing planned. Its easier said than done tho. Just take one step at a time. But its easier to create a legit breed project than to fix a trait youre supposed to purge. I havent tried looking it up since but if possible go for it, we need more preservation projects.

I wish I had that kind of space for plants tho you could do so much more because of that. Good luck with your projects! Happy growing.

 

[medidedicated]

Lol yea I looked it up since it related to my project. Might as well learn something real quick. Its like the project I just planned but on steroids. Youll need to cross it with a clean pheno. Choose the replacement of the herm parent within that stock. Now you can inbreed and stabilize.

It depends what you have, if a f1 polyhybrid there will be thousands of expressions. If a IBL there will only really be one. So you need to find the keeper pheno on top of it not being a herm and you cant see its genes which could still carry it. Youd be stabilizing one extra thing which isnt just yup, its that citrus smell I want..

Its a potential to be set back everystep of the way and to fix the problem, you need to do that hunt all over again. If you really want to preserve it so it lives on, youll need to replenish all the generations you made if seed viability drops. That makes less room for keepers to be found if that wasnt done on time.

Idk if every breeder has each generation tucked but I would. Its like the paint platter with colors on it the painter uses to paint the picture. Could be used for future projects of new strains. Could be the last resort to back cross before having no choice but to outcross to something else to fix inbreed depression. Like herming.

That can be great if you want an uncrossed strain and all its good traits. I like to plan securely and would want to replenish a generation if the seeds are dropping in viable. Youd have this herm problem all over again. Its just easier to base the whole strain on two clean parents. Even I wont know if Im passing those genes and if they will push me to outcross later.

Starting on a clean foundation is the best I could do tho. So I better not call a mother too soon. Stress test it. You can only inbreed like 6-8 times and create a final IBL then you work your way back to restore each generation for whatever reason. The earlier gens will be a bitch but the later gens will be a very small grow its not even a hunt anymore.

So now your starting point doesnt have those clean genes you can try to reintroduce in an attempt to avoid outcrossing. Youre breeding two things at once. Its twice as hard. Harder to maintain. Depends what you want to stabilize if there are a few other traits you want too just adds selection pressure.

The attitude here is what if you want to tho. Im looking to find a real special mom and inbreed it to keep all its traits. Make a IBL. If you want to breed out a herm youre essentially creating a IBL. If you just chuck pollen once thats why its called that.

You didnt breed anything you just mated two phenos and created a generation with thousands of expressions. Half of which now have a strong tendancy to herm. I didnt even want to persue saving a herm so didnt start really learning about breeding till recently. Its the same thing I just learned and planned but with herms making it waay harder. And uncertain.

If you dont have many traits your also after that are considered rare to find like extreme frost.. Should be easy youd just be making a IBL of a pheno you like but your end product might be a bit different from starting goals. You want 99% chance she wont herm, thats a IBL. A clone in seed form of what you wanted to see rather it came from one or two parents.

In this case herming, which is something we dont want for a good reason. Its a bitch to make sure you dont have one so having one is a load of work so Id be committed. Lots of folks probably doubt I can pull off my project. The drama comes when you open to the market but if its just for yourself no one really minds you trying to learn and experiment at home.

If you outcross depending what you chose, you might have to inbred multiple generations to get the original traits you want. From the original mom you wanted to breed quality seeds from. So its generally a bad thing to have to do. The hope is you dont have to and just make it to gen 6 with 99% uniformity.

 

[medidedicated]

Another thing, so you dont want to grow the seed especially if it pollinated itself. Thats like making a selfed generation but naturally. I started out liking selfed strains as it means more chances of finding that winner pheno. Its the same with herming, youre concentrating that gene so actually more of the offspring likely to herm.

Yes its feminized but also herminized. So you cross it with a clean pheno same strain assuming you want the same thing just without herm. You replace the herm mom with a offspring that bests fits that replacement identically. This is to purge the herm.

The other pheno you used initially to start this will need to be kept safe. It has good genes, the anti herm genes. The other replacement mother is your traits you want to see and enjoy but you have to keep hunting for.

Because you keep crossing that offspring with that back cross mother pheno you had from the start. That fixes the herm trait the other ever changing mother is suffering from. By pumping it full of those anti herm genes.

Eventually youll have 6-8 generations done of back crossing. 99% of the offspring will now have the same genes so instead of back crossing you can toss that back cross pheno now you see its officially IBL and done. You can make a big batch of seeds before tossing that back cross mom and when need more just cross two IBL phenos.

Keep the old generations especially just prior. To introduce more diverse genes again to fix inbreed depression if mating two IBLs are causing that in offspring after a few decades. Make fresh seeds of previous generations when those start dropping in germination rates. Thats a life time worth of preservation.

You could just clone it when its good enough if you dont want to really breed it out. It just so happens to create a strain. I say all this based on thread title/comments and because I used to see people ask this question all the time. Can I breed out this herm in this beloved pheno. Yes but it can turn into a direction you didnt expect or are willing to keep persuing due to challenges.

 

[BongerChonger]

Recently, I grew a bagseed which turned out hermie when it produced male flowers end of the grow.
No surprises there, was kind of expecting.

But it's otherwise been a really good plant. Ticks all the boxes for a keeper, besides the intersex trait.
So I've cloned it and am doing another run with it, see what happens.

I don't intend to ever get seeds from it. Not interested.
But it was only a few male flowers and I didn't get any seeds. There's a small chance it's sterile.

If I get a tent full of seeds, lesson learned, in the trash it goes.

 

[420AD]

Another thing, so you dont want to grow the seed especially if it pollinated itself. Thats like making a selfed generation but naturally. I started out liking selfed strains as it means more chances of finding that winner pheno. Its the same with herming, youre concentrating that gene so actually more of the offspring likely to herm.

Yes its feminized but also herminized. So you cross it with a clean pheno same strain assuming you want the same thing just without herm. You replace the herm mom with a offspring that bests fits that replacement identically. This is to purge the herm.

The other pheno you used initially to start this will need to be kept safe. It has good genes, the anti herm genes. The other replacement mother is your traits you want to see and enjoy but you have to keep hunting for.

Because you keep crossing that offspring with that back cross mother pheno you had from the start. That fixes the herm trait the other ever changing mother is suffering from. By pumping it full of those anti herm genes.

Eventually youll have 6-8 generations done of back crossing. 99% of the offspring will now have the same genes so instead of back crossing you can toss that back cross pheno now you see its officially IBL and done. You can make a big batch of seeds before tossing that back cross mom and when need more just cross two IBL phenos.

Keep the old generations especially just prior. To introduce more diverse genes again to fix inbreed depression if mating two IBLs are causing that in offspring after a few decades. Make fresh seeds of previous generations when those start dropping in germination rates. Thats a life time worth of preservation.

You could just clone it when its good enough if you dont want to really breed it out. It just so happens to create a strain. I say all this based on thread title/comments and because I used to see people ask this question all the time. Can I breed out this herm in this beloved pheno. Yes but it can turn into a direction you didnt expect or are willing to keep persuing due to challenges.

Thx for explaining this, I've been keeping some old seeds from a plant that hermied..
Wasn't sure what to do, now I know. Bin 'em.

 

[hostagecs]

im thinking of doing solo cups, i've never tried them and i got 4 bag seed just sitting around....

 

[medidedicated]

Its just a whole project that could be soent making the next best thing. Like I said tho we need more growers that are intonpreservation. We have enough of finding the next best thing, were just exploiting them when they prefer to outcross I read.

Id keep hearing that the cannabis genome is in trouble we just keep bottle necking and etc. To where its really hard to find a true F1. Id hear often that land race is just gone. If Im not mistaken its the preservation programs that are trying to keep that intact.

Its just boring but yea.

 

[hostagecs]

Its just a whole project that could be soent making the next best thing. Like I said tho we need more growers that are intonpreservation. We have enough of finding the next best thing, were just exploiting them when they prefer to outcross I read.

Id keep hearing that the cannabis genome is in trouble we just keep bottle necking and etc. To where its really hard to find a true F1. Id hear often that land race is just gone. If Im not mistaken its the preservation programs that are trying to keep that intact.

Its just boring but yea.

i've been thinking heavy of what i really wanna do with my grow time and space and time left on this rock, i really kinda wanna focus on males and plant quality not so much show size, so i've been hunting for some of the older strains. so many things i could do

 

[Diego']

i've been thinking heavy of what i really wanna do with my grow time and space and time left on this rock, i really kinda wanna focus on males and plant quality not so much show size, so i've been hunting for some of the older strains. so many things i could do

So a side project of mine is finding Train Wreck Genetics. I have Diesel Train (sour diesel x train wreck) orange blossom express (Tangie x train wreck) and ghost rider ( Afghan ghost OG x train wreck) these are all feminized seeds and I only have 1 of each left. I have more DTxCW, OBxCW,GRxCW than I can count, along with at least 12 DTxLH, OBxLH and OBxDTLH seeds. I know it’s probably a bridge too far, but how attainable is it to recreate Train Wreck from my listed genetics?