Have you grown out Hermi seeds? All Hermi plants?

[medidedicated]

Would be helpful to touch on something rather less discussed. So my pheno hermes from seed but never again from clone, 7 generations later. Even under stressful conditions. So yea you could try cloning it if youre wondering what to do in this situation.

A crash course with AI suggests my pheno just had a reason to herm from seed which is easy. Simply existing from seed to seedling is a stressful event. So its suggesting this is something you could breed with. The breeders probably did and thats why lol. To keep up with market.

Im trying to have a successful project so I should look for something like that except no herming at all. To serve a stronger foundation for my project which comes in steps. Stress test each mother and grow the hell out of it like I did my first pheno 7 generations. Maybe not 7 times but similar in sense that Im looking for what makes her herm if at all.

Its very nuanced lol I was right to grow for a few years first before taking this on. Crazy what you learn from running a clone over and over again. I learned about light saturation points, stable traits expressed under various conditions.. Too much to list here. My mind is just going and going, one thing after the other. Its quickly coming together lol.

 

[medidedicated]

Nuances like hay my pheno seems breedable tight? Wrong, someone in my case gave a clone to their friend and it hermed bad. The nuances of herming.. Just dont perpetuate it if you see it. Even if it means starting that step over again.

 

[hostagecs]

So a side project of mine is finding Train Wreck Genetics. I have Diesel Train (sour diesel x train wreck) orange blossom express (Tangie x train wreck) and ghost rider ( Afghan ghost OG x train wreck) these are all feminized seeds and I only have 1 of each left. I have more DTxCW, OBxCW,GRxCW than I can count, along with at least 12 DTxLH, OBxLH and OBxDTLH seeds. I know it’s probably a bridge too far, but how attainable is it to recreate Train Wreck from my listed genetics?

could always tissue culture the last plants once you have a male you want to breed with them, but still a dice roll with breeding i believe

 

[cannapotimus]

Would be helpful to touch on something rather less discussed. So my pheno hermes from seed but never again from clone, 7 generations later. Even under stressful conditions. So yea you could try cloning it if youre wondering what to do in this situation.

A crash course with AI suggests my pheno just had a reason to herm from seed which is easy. Simply existing from seed to seedling is a stressful event. So its suggesting this is something you could breed with. The breeders probably did and thats why lol. To keep up with market.

Im trying to have a successful project so I should look for something like that except no herming at all. To serve a stronger foundation for my project which comes in steps. Stress test each mother and grow the hell out of it like I did my first pheno 7 generations. Maybe not 7 times but similar in sense that Im looking for what makes her herm if at all.

Its very nuanced lol I was right to grow for a few years first before taking this on. Crazy what you learn from running a clone over and over again. I learned about light saturation points, stable traits expressed under various conditions.. Too much to list here. My mind is just going and going, one thing after the other. Its quickly coming together lol.

The reason people say the clone won’t always herm is because most people don’t wait for a seed plant to fully mature before flowering it out. A 5or 6 week veg is nowhere near what happens in nature. It’s not the actual act of cloning that removes the herm trait, it’s that it’s adding onto the veg period of the plant(allowing it to mature) before flowering. Obviously its not a desirable trait, but if there isn’t alternating nodes where the balls are, there’s a good chance it just wasn’t ready to flower yet.
If more people understood this there would be far less “herm” reports. An 8 week old seed plant that has balls on a couple lowers is not a hermaphrodite in my opinion. A true herm is when you see both in the pre flowers or if the flowers in direct light are throwing out boy parts.

 

[Diego']

could always tissue culture the last plants once you have a male you want to breed with them, but still a dice roll with breeding i believ

 

[medidedicated]

Dang Im all diving into the heart of it an shit. So I was right, you dont want to miss that insight if it herms from seed. You really want to purge them effers. Isolate them, or side by sides compromise eachother and one could be the winner. Il be damned if you got the guts to purge that just because its standard practice.

Can only hope the work Im taking after was bred that way.. I think so. Aint no one got something like them right now. They could of IBL it but theyre a whole ass company with many other projects to do and just released it. To help bring in some money and work on the next thing. Something like that.

 

[BongerChonger]

To me, Herms are all the same.
Both male and female parts on same plant = Hermaphrodite.
Dioecious plants can't do the same thing. They just can't. Not possible without sts or what have you.

Something interesting about hermie cannabis plants, though, is the chromosomes are XX.
That's not to suggest all Female plants can hermie. Female plants can't hermie.
But it's good reason for plant testing. Because you can separate the boys from the girls when very young via tissue sample, but you can't separate the hermaphrodite plants from the females. Not without growing them out, testing them, visualizing the flowers, etc.

 

[medidedicated]

To me, Herms are all the same.
Both male and female parts on same plant = Hermaphrodite.
Dioecious plants can't do the same thing. They just can't. Not possible without sts or what have you.

Something interesting about hermie cannabis plants, though, is the chromosomes are XX.
That's not to suggest all Female plants can hermie. Female plants can't hermie.
But it's good reason for plant testing. Because you can separate the boys from the girls when very young via tissue sample, but you can't separate the hermaphrodite plants from the females. Not without growing them out, testing them, visualizing the flowers, etc.

I think Ive read you say that before. To my understanding tho they all are able to herm youre just selecting one that have dominant genes of not expressing herms under stress and etc. Where it relates tho is that both our understanding should be right, if you see it its gone. It should be as if it really is a true female.

Any opinion on this? Just curious.

 

[BongerChonger]

To my understanding tho they all are able to herm youre just selecting one that have dominant genes of not expressing herms under stress and etc. Where it relates tho is that both our understanding should be right, if you see it its gone. It should be as if it really is a true female.

Any opinion on this? Just curious.

There definitely are female plants that never herm on their own. They're the females.
Trouble is there's both monoecious and dioecious plants present in cannabis. So we have to sift the herms out.
I'm a firm believer there's more hermies than people like to admit.

It's my understanding they don't yet know where the hermie pathway in cannabis is.
And, what do ya know, just found this one. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/plant-science/articles/10.3389/fpls.2024.1412079/full
So it's not all XX chromosome after all, they've found one that's XY.

But we still categorize a plant with both male and female flowers the same way.
It's the presence of both flowers that seals the deal.