Dutchmasters Reverse,a study of hermie's.

[smokeybandit22]

very nice work panhead. I have read though all of the posts. Have a strain that always spits out 30-40 male flowers during it's 2ndn and 3rd week of flowering at he internode where a female flower should be. Like it is confused. Usually have to pluck them all off and never had a problem with them reappering.
I picked up some revers and was suprised to find there were no mixing instructions on the bottle. anyways, I sprayed 2 plants real good right before flower and middle of 2nd-3rd week. Go for my inspection today and find the sme exact amount of balls as usual. 35-40. No difference I could see whatsoever. The one thing I did notice was the balls plucked off much easier, some fell off when I hit them. I have a strain that likes to go full bore hermie-kept it to try the reverse on. Sprayed them before flowering and going to spray again in a few days. Should know in about a week if any effect.
The only info I could find on manipulating plant sex was the use of Ethylene gas, the kind a rotting banana peel will give off. Supposofdly, the excess of this gas will encourage female flowers and the complete removal will encourage male flowers. Think there was a product called Staminit! for breeders.
I too have found out that most strains will try to pop out some banana's late in flowering. plucked one off today, was a calyx with 2 pistols and a nice green banana finger. Intersexe I believe it is called-not necessarily hermi. I think hermie relates more to plants that have equal parts of male and female flowers and intersexed mostly female with occasional male.
In conclusion, I will post my results and fortunately can say that pollinating another plant is not as easy as it sounds. I have had full bore hermies in with straight up fems all at same age of flowering and the fem maybe, maybe had just one seed.

 

[panhead]

very nice work panhead. I have read though all of the posts. Have a strain that always spits out 30-40 male flowers during it's 2ndn and 3rd week of flowering at he internode where a female flower should be. Like it is confused. Usually have to pluck them all off and never had a problem with them reappering.
I picked up some revers and was suprised to find there were no mixing instructions on the bottle. anyways, I sprayed 2 plants real good right before flower and middle of 2nd-3rd week. Go for my inspection today and find the sme exact amount of balls as usual. 35-40. No difference I could see whatsoever. The one thing I did notice was the balls plucked off much easier, some fell off when I hit them. I have a strain that likes to go full bore hermie-kept it to try the reverse on. Sprayed them before flowering and going to spray again in a few days. Should know in about a week if any effect.
The only info I could find on manipulating plant sex was the use of Ethylene gas, the kind a rotting banana peel will give off. Supposofdly, the excess of this gas will encourage female flowers and the complete removal will encourage male flowers. Think there was a product called Staminit! for breeders.
I too have found out that most strains will try to pop out some banana's late in flowering. plucked one off today, was a calyx with 2 pistols and a nice green banana finger. Intersexe I believe it is called-not necessarily hermi. I think hermie relates more to plants that have equal parts of male and female flowers and intersexed mostly female with occasional male.
In conclusion, I will post my results and fortunately can say that pollinating another plant is not as easy as it sounds. I have had full bore hermies in with straight up fems all at same age of flowering and the fem maybe, maybe had just one seed.

Glad to have you abord on this little experiment,your info will be a nice addition.

I read where you told me that you read all the posts so let me ask you this,whats your take on the 100% ratio of females direct from seed in the dutchmasters plants, while the other two plant groups had a normal female to male ratio ?

That issue has me confused as hell.

I read where you said the reverse treated plants did not drop their pollen sacks from the plant,i have a few questions for you.

Did the pollen sacks show any signs of detrioration ?

Did the pollen sacks look like they were continuing to ripen ?

Did any of the pollen sacks open & release any of their pollen ?

Your experience with your plants has answered the questions im trying to find out with the two hermies i kept,now im wondering if the reverse can somehow be absorbed by the pollen sacks & have an effect of the pollen,maybe effectively making it sterile & not fit for breeding.

So many questions are left unanswered by dutchmasters,hopefully we can find out if this stuff works & if its found to work in a limited capacity what conditions it does & to what effect.

 

[smokeybandit22]

the pollen sacs were all new and not there when I had sprayed-plant at that stage just had female preflowers-once she started full into flowering-3 weeks-and stretching and growing like, well, a weed.
all sacs were brand new
sacs were continuing to ripen
no sacs open yet but if given time I think they would have. Im sure I missed one or two so I will check tomm and follow their progress.
I will let one sac open and attempt to collect the pollen from it an dpollinate a couple of bud sites-from what I have seen, once pollinated, seed production is usually very quick
one thing I am watching now-the full bore hermie is 6 weeks into flowering and not spitting out ball sacs, but individual single male petals/bananas/fingers. I soaked her a couple times and she does look to be forming pistols now without the fingers-although at most there were 3-4 on a whole 4' plant. will continue to monitor and post.
I agree I dont think there is any magical juice in DMR, but rather a precise blend of very minimal nutes in the right combination, coupled with the penetrator, to 'coax' the plant into turning out more female flowers.
as far as thier 'male flower knockdown' claims, plain water should accomplish the same thing, sterlizing and destroying any pollen contents.
I have a clone of the full bore hermie that just went into flowering and she was sprayed once and going to get it again. now I know this one loves to flaunt her balls, so I should be able to see if the prevention claims are ture-although I remain very skeptical. I am also thinking that since they are all clones and not from seed, they may need to be sprayed in veg and again in flowering. will try this as well.

as for the 100% females seeds, Im clueless as the more I read, the more it seems to suggest that sexuality is not known unitl the 3-5th week of veg-
however, i did find the following info that may be of interest on ethylene:

Treatment of seeds with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag, and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mould.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2474907

http://researchspace.auckland.ac.nz/handle/2292/2430

 

[panhead]

the pollen sacs were all new and not there when I had sprayed-plant at that stage just had female preflowers-once she started full into flowering-3 weeks-and stretching and growing like, well, a weed.
all sacs were brand new
sacs were continuing to ripen
no sacs open yet but if given time I think they would have. Im sure I missed one or two so I will check tomm and follow their progress.
I will let one sac open and attempt to collect the pollen from it an dpollinate a couple of bud sites-from what I have seen, once pollinated, seed production is usually very quick
one thing I am watching now-the full bore hermie is 6 weeks into flowering and not spitting out ball sacs, but individual single male petals/bananas/fingers. I soaked her a couple times and she does look to be forming pistols now without the fingers-although at most there were 3-4 on a whole 4' plant. will continue to monitor and post.
I agree I dont think there is any magical juice in DMR, but rather a precise blend of very minimal nutes in the right combination, coupled with the penetrator, to 'coax' the plant into turning out more female flowers.
as far as thier 'male flower knockdown' claims, plain water should accomplish the same thing, sterlizing and destroying any pollen contents.
I have a clone of the full bore hermie that just went into flowering and she was sprayed once and going to get it again. now I know this one loves to flaunt her balls, so I should be able to see if the prevention claims are ture-although I remain very skeptical. I am also thinking that since they are all clones and not from seed, they may need to be sprayed in veg and again in flowering. will try this as well.

as for the 100% females seeds, Im clueless as the more I read, the more it seems to suggest that sexuality is not known unitl the 3-5th week of veg-
however, i did find the following info that may be of interest on ethylene:

Treatment of seeds with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag, and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mould.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2474907

http://researchspace.auckland.ac.nz/handle/2292/2430

Nice,very nice,thanks for posting the info on Ethylene gas as well,i was aware that it could be used to speed up the process of the flowering phase but i was not aware of its use in feminizing seeds.

 

[smokeybandit22]

I have a couple more gals that are going to get sprayed today that are headed for flowering. I am gonna spray and keep vegging for another week, spray again when they go into flower and than again 10 days later.
Was wondering where u found the mixing instructions for the reverse and penetrator. I think u stated u used one liter which is the entire bottle of reverse. I was using 1 part penetrator with 3 parts reverse.
As for the 100% fem seeds-I cant recall- did u use ur homebrew on a batch as well? I have read higher NPK can results in higher fem seeds, but 100%? This one has got me thinking as well.

 

[smokeybandit22]

Ok I am gonna take a very crude stab here: I am going to call it 'The Rapid Double Transport of N, P & K through the cell wall that encourages female flowering and inhibits male flowering'

Penetrator- I check the ppms' and they were over 400. I am going to guess the main ingredient is Glycerol-judging by some vague reseach and the fact is this is what it feels like. do we know the ph of glycerol? Interesting it feels, looks and smells if u will, exactly like anti-freeze. The function of the penetrator is to provide active transport of the reverse and it's components through the most outer layer of the cell walls. That is why is is highly recomended to be used with the reverse and can be used to promote a higher and more rapid intake of foliar feeds.

Reverse-checked the ppm's and had a reading of 43 which is in line with their nute ratio's on the bottle. The phospholids work kind of like the penetrator but on a more inner part of the cell wall structure. Phospholids and lipids partly comprise of the inne and outer cell walls and work like 'gateway' or 'tunnel' for transporting of life's essentials. They allow, maybe by binding, for the active transport of the P and K into the cell directly, much more quickly and effeciently than if abosrbed by the roots, resulting in programming the DNA to spit out more fems and discourage males. Why would a plant go hermie? Obviously it is in the original DNA. The reason I conclude is to reproduce it's species, the most basic eveolutionary trait of all living things. If the DNA evolves in an enironment or originally evolved, that was lacking of the esstial nutes of life, althogh it knew it could grow, it also knew that success at life was going to be minimal and therefore needed to pollinate itself. Now if the DNA evolved or evolves in an environment that is rich in the nutes of life, is is more secure in it's ability to flourish and become pollinated by a male. Maybe hermies are experiencing a shortened life expectancy and can not wait on nature to become pollinated. The ones with the nutes of life, do not have that fear and it knows that male to female ratio in the wild is 50/50 and can wait it out. Thus the reason for male fingers to pop out of the caylxs with pistols late in flowering.

Now, I think the research that is next needed it to try to find info on the subject of what effect providing more NPK to a marijuana plant at diff intervals has with regard to sexuality. I have seen it written a couple of times, by Jorges cervantes for one, where it is generally stated that higher levels of NPK yield more females.

hence why ur home brew would not work, as although u may have penetrated the most outer cell wall, there were no phospholids to move those nutes through the inner cell wall.

hence a possibility of ur 100% fem seeds-maybe there is much more permeability of the shell-i.e. water to start it's life- coupled with the fact new embryo at the seed stage inside the shell and the sprouting the tap root much more permeable as well and DNA open for direction. Maybe u could try with a batch of seeds and use ur homebrew on them just up until the shell cracks. u may have done this I cannot recall.

maybe an experiment with some glycerol, common plant phospolids and very very very light NPK nute mix on some plants that we know will def be hermies and measure the effect.

again, I am no scientist by any means, and my pure gibberish prob looks like a joke in the face of science. Although the idea behind my point may be correct.

some links for reference:

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Phospholipids.html

http://cellbio.utmb.edu/cellbio/membrane_intro.htm

http://www.sciencegateway.org/resources/biologytext/esg-www.mit.edu 8001/cgi-bin/biosearch.pl^phospholipids

http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1534.htm

 

[smokeybandit22]

update on full bore hermie-this gal was sprayed middle of flowering after I noticed many sacs that were open. She was sprayed again-each bud literally soaked-to check the knockdown eccfects of reverse and their claims of inhibiting male flowers and stopping plant from seeding...found more male fingers than usual growing out of the calyz with pistols. she is six weeks old and all of the top portion of colas is done growing so I concentrated on all newer growth with new pistols towars the bottom of the buds. actually found some full male flowers trying to form smack dab in the middle of a female flower. also the plant has continued to seed itself nicely, as each passing day yields more and more seeds.

I am starting to conclude that the jury is still out on spraying ealrier to avoid hermies, but their claims as male flower knock downs and inhibitors is not quite what it seems. The parent of this asshole plant I let flower fully and she did not have nearly as many seeds or maturing flowers as this one. It is evident that the male patterns are not only continuing but increasing.

 

[panhead]

hence a possibility of ur 100% fem seeds-maybe there is much more permeability of the shell-i.e. water to start it's life- coupled with the fact new embryo at the seed stage inside the shell and the sprouting the tap root much more permeable as well and DNA open for direction. Maybe u could try with a batch of seeds and use ur homebrew on them just up until the shell cracks. u may have done this I cannot recall.

again, I am no scientist by any means, and my pure gibberish prob looks like a joke in the face of science. Although the idea behind my point may be correct.

some links for reference:

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Phospholipids.html

http://cellbio.utmb.edu/cellbio/membrane_intro.htm

http://www.sciencegateway.org/resources/biologytext/esg-www.mit.edu 8001/cgi-bin/biosearch.pl^phospholipids

http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1534.htm

Im sure we all look like jokers to real scientists but since they wont help us by doing real studies of such issues,or wont release any info they have on the subject were forced to grind it out on our own,the theories you outlined are much along the lines of my thoughts on how it interacts with the plant.

The anit freeze comment you made is uncanny,it is exactly what i thought,it has that slimey feeling, allmost like KY Jelly mixed with water, as does anti freeze,it also has that sweet taste to it that anti freeze has.

The mixing directions i used are printed on the back of the containers of the Penetrator as well as the Reverse,here are the complete directions taken word for word directly from the labels.

Penetrator.

Step 1. For every 1 liter/quart of final spray solution add 60ml/4 tbsp of penetrator.

Step 2. Spray leaves according to solution instructions or until runoff is achieved.

Reverse.

Step 1. Pour required amount into spray bottle.

Step 2. Add Penetrator to spray bottle at rate of 10ml/2tsp per liter/quart of solution.

Step 3. Spray leaves until run off occurs.

Step 4. Repeat in 10 days.

End instructions.

As you can see the instructions on the reverse do not match the instructions on the penetrator,one set of instructions calls for 60ml of penetrator to be added to the solution, the other set of instructions calls for 10ml to be added to the solution,i followed the directions calling for 60ml's to be added.

This statement is printed in very small fine print on the botton of each soultion.

Information regarding the contents & levels of metals contained in this product is available on the internet at www.regulatory-info-dm.com .This will be my next step to research the info sheets on these products,i will post a link.

I realize that the thread is getting kinda long & hard to reference so to clarify i did not treat the seeds,i germinated all three test groups in the same manner,i randomly planted the germinated seeds in all three groups,i then vegged for one month before switching over into 12/12,it was at that point i treated the young plants with the Reverse/Penetrator mixture,then a repeat application according to the 60ml instructions was given at the 10 day point.

 

[smokeybandit22]

it struck me odd too that the directions did not match- I have upped the parts of reverse and took water out of the equation. just sprayeda clone of the full bore hermie that I sprayed day one of flowering and now day 10. is a little odd- do not see the normal female preflowers one would expect at this point.

So u r saying, ur 100% success rate is from 4 month old's u vegged and sprayed? this would make sense that possibly timing is everything with this product.

 

[mindphuk]

I have a couple more gals that are going to get sprayed today that are headed for flowering. I am gonna spray and keep vegging for another week, spray again when they go into flower and than again 10 days later.
Was wondering where u found the mixing instructions for the reverse and penetrator. I think u stated u used one liter which is the entire bottle of reverse. I was using 1 part penetrator with 3 parts reverse.
As for the 100% fem seeds-I cant recall- did u use ur homebrew on a batch as well? I have read higher NPK can results in higher fem seeds, but 100%? This one has got me thinking as well.

Here are the instructions from their website:
To use REVERSE, simply follow these easy guidelines!

1. Pour the amount of REVERSE you need into a spray bottle. Typically 500mls is enough for one application for the average sized garden.
2. Add PENETRATOR at the rate of 10ml per litre only! A 500ml/ ½ quart spray bottle will require 5ml/1 teaspoon of PENETRATOR and a 250ml/ ¼ quart spray bottle will require only 2.5ml/ ½ teaspoon of PENETRATOR.
3. Shake the spray bottle with the solution to make sure it is well mixed.
4. ** Important you must spray the solution within 15 minutes of adding PENETRATOR**!
5. Make sure your lights are a minimum of 24 inches from the tops of your plants then spray your plants until the leaves are evenly coated with the spray solution and a small runoff occurs. You only need to spray the top surface of the leaf because PENETRATOR will deliver absolutely everything inside the leaf using the top surface only.
6. Spray your plants once, then once again 10 days later making sure you spray any male flowers you see.

 

[smokeybandit22]

update on plant that is female but always spits out 30-40 balls during it's first 3 weeks of flower-
I did spray this one 3 days into flowering-albeit-stupid me diluted the reverse-
Plucked off the usual 30-40 sacs that I am accustom to. today, many many more sacs, this time not at the internode but hidden nicely behind the stem of the new bud growth. plucked about 30. first time had to double pluck.
goona throw it out there- if using it diluted, will not do what it says it will and possibly could encourage more male flowers.
testing to continue...

 

[panhead]

Well its bad news here on the hermie deal,the first hermie that i treated with the dutchamaters it didnt do shit that i can tell,the pollen sacks continued to grow to the point they burst open,i cant speak for the potency of the pollen inside the pollen sacks but the dutchmasters had no effect on pollen sack growth rate,it might kill the pollen in the sack but it will not stop growth.

The 2nd hermi that i let grow its balls out a little more before treating it with the dutchmasters is also spreading its pollen,the sacks seem healthy & the ones that have not opened yet are huge as hell,they look the size of a fat rasin,i gave this bastard a 2nd application of the reverse.

I put 2 healthy non pollinated females in the room with both hermies to see if the pollen is still viable,as many pollen sacks that ruptured from the hermies i'll know very soon if the dutchmasters kills the pollen only,then leaves the plant matter (pollen sack) in good health.

 

[IHaventGotAClue]

Well its bad news here on the hermie deal,the first hermie that i treated with the dutchamaters it didnt do shit that i can tell,the pollen sacks continued to grow to the point they burst open,i cant speak for the potency of the pollen inside the pollen sacks but the dutchmasters had no effect on pollen sack growth rate,it might kill the pollen in the sack but it will not stop growth.

The 2nd hermi that i let grow its balls out a little more before treating it with the dutchmasters is also spreading its pollen,the sacks seem healthy & the ones that have not opened yet are huge as hell,they look the size of a fat rasin,i gave this bastard a 2nd application of the reverse.

I put 2 healthy non pollinated females in the room with both hermies to see if the pollen is still viable,as many pollen sacks that ruptured from the hermies i'll know very soon if the dutchmasters kills the pollen only,then leaves the plant matter (pollen sack) in good health.

Im sorry to hear it dident work panhead it could have only been good all around for every 1

These dutchmasters are up to every thing trying to control female only plants hermies ect ect .

If you tell some of the newer growers they will laugh at some of the stuff dutchmasters claim. I even found myself defending somthing dutchmasters wrote i knew nothing about lol and the witch hunt was out for me haha . ]

But i do think its only a matter of time before they get things perfect as they must be going somewere in the right direction and the test they do can only be good for us whe they get it right

When a cannabis turns hermie its the fear& stress of dieing with out any males about to make seeds carry on life for next sesson makes cannabis plants take on its oppisite sex to reproduce next summer ..

If they could fool the plant to think it was going to live a extra few weeks the we could sneak in a kill them unexpectedly hermie free

 

[panhead]

Im sorry to hear it dident work panhead it could have only been good all around for every 1

These dutchmasters are up to every thing trying to control female only plants hermies ect ect .

If you tell some of the newer growers they will laugh at some of the stuff dutchmasters claim. I even found myself defending somthing dutchmasters wrote i knew nothing about lol and the witch hunt was out for me haha . ]

But i do think its only a matter of time before they get things perfect as they must be going somewere in the right direction and the test they do can only be good for us whe they get it right

When a cannabis turns hermie its the fear& stress of dieing with out any males about to make seeds carry on life for next sesson makes cannabis plants take on its oppisite sex to reproduce next summer ..

If they could fool the plant to think it was going to live a extra few weeks the we could sneak in a kill them unexpectedly hermie free

Dont get me wrong im not giving up on the dutchmasters,so far its not worked on my hermies but i still have not seen if the pollen spread all over the room is viable pollen,we'll know in a week or two,as i said i put 2 healthy females who are newly budding into the room so it wont be long before they are growing seed if the pollen is still viable.

Also the bulk of this experiment has been to treat plants from seed where sex was unsure,the dutchmasters did something to these plants to force female sex in 100% of the plants,what it did im not sure but getting 100% females in the grow while the other 2 test groups experienced normal male/female ratios tells a story of interaction between the plant & the product.

I think dutchmasters is on to something very basic in nature,i just wish they'd share what they know to be fact.

 

[IHaventGotAClue]

Dont get me wrong im not giving up on the dutchmasters,so far its not worked on my hermies but i still have not seen if the pollen spread all over the room is viable pollen,we'll know in a week or two,as i said i put 2 healthy females who are newly budding into the room so it wont be long before they are growing seed if the pollen is still viable.

Also the bulk of this experiment has been to treat plants from seed where sex was unsure,the dutchmasters did something to these plants to force female sex in 100% of the plants,what it did im not sure but getting 100% females in the grow while the other 2 test groups experienced normal male/female ratios tells a story of interaction between the plant & the product.

I think dutchmasters is on to something very basic in nature,i just wish they'd share what they know to be fact.

Fair play to you m8 Ive read a bit about some of there products and ongoing tests in mags and it all sounds good execpt the high prices

I did read somthing real strange dutchmasters do to make females by messing with the light cycles in a certain way and they are making females rather than hermies i havent heard no more about it thou

Fingers crossed on the newly budding plants

 

[smokeybandit22]

Im am going to nab some of the pollen from the hermie plant and try to pollinate a diif plant. I doubt that the pollen will not be viable.

 

[smokeybandit22]

experiments ongoing:
1-Full bore hermie-test the effect so fmale flower knockdown, prevention of new male flowers, prevention of seeding-not looking good-ongoing
2-Clone of Full bore hermie-sprayed day 1 of flower and day 10-waiting
3-Jumbo known to spit out male balls-sprayed day 3 of flowering-used diluted solution erronously-so far males balls have doubled
4-Clone of jumbo sprayed at day 3 of flower with correct dilution-waiting
5-Twins-still in veg-week 4 ish-going to premeptive spray-veg for another week, spray again, flower-10 days spray again-

 

[eza82]

Any other female hormones you guys use ????? Did we find out if the dutch master reverse a hormone or ????? quoting: on the off chance it contained a hormone protected under a trade secret

I have just got some new stuff want opinions.........hes a quick thread for it:

LA FEMME - FEMALE HORMONE- for sex change !

CLAIMS same shit...... all females 2 applications etc..... popular in australia..


Tell me to f@#k off if think highjacking. Thought it was relevant to your studies....

 

[panhead]

Any other female hormones you guys use ????? Did we find out if the dutch master reverse a hormone or ????? quoting: on the off chance it contained a hormone protected under a trade secret

I have just got some new stuff want opinions.........hes a quick thread for it:
B]LA FEMME - FEMALE HORMONE- for sex change ! [/B]
CLAIMS same shit...... all females 2 applications etc..... popular in australia..
Tell me to f@#k off if think highjacking. Thought it was relevant to your studies....

I havent found out anything new about the contents of the Reverse/Penetrator products since the start of the test,i will contact Dutchmasters again & request more info but im waiting until the very end of everybodies grows who's contributing to this test,it helps if i know all the variables & constants before i start asking them more questions,i want to put together a list of questions to ask them,questions based on the experiences of participating mrmbers in this experiment & questions that reflect any outcome we all may experience.

Tomorrow im going to spend a few extra hours at the grow checking on the females i introduced to the hermies,im also going to look closely at all 3 groups of test plants.

If your looking for information on how to force sex or how to change certian well known outcomes in plants using different methods & chemicals there is a thread here somewhere,in the thread a bunch of us experimented with different types of cloning products at different intervals in the grows,each member tried their product in different ways,its a pretty interesting experiment & one that created the monster bud in my avatar,i'll look for the thread & post it up if you'd like.

 

[eza82]

I havent found out anything new about the contents of the Reverse/Penetrator products since the start of the test,i will contact Dutchmasters again & request more info but im waiting until the very end of everybodies grows who's contributing to this test,it helps if i know all the variables & constants before i start asking them more questions,i want to put together a list of questions to ask them,questions based on the experiences of participating mrmbers in this experiment & questions that reflect any outcome we all may experience.

Tomorrow im going to spend a few extra hours at the grow checking on the females i introduced to the hermies,im also going to look closely at all 3 groups of test plants.

If your looking for information on how to force sex or how to change certian well known outcomes in plants using different methods & chemicals there is a thread here somewhere,in the thread a bunch of us experimented with different types of cloning products at different intervals in the grows,each member tried their product in different ways,its a pretty interesting experiment & one that created the monster bud in my avatar,i'll look for the thread & post it up if you'd like.

That would be great.... BETTER YET A STUDY ON all plant an MJ HORMONES PERIOD ! But anything will do.......