Voice Your Opinion! Marijuana Re-Legalization Coming in 1st in 2nd Obama Poll

NuteGreenwitch

Well-Known Member
MissHesterMoffitt,

For some reason, I always end up trailing your posts with an "I second that!" because we are sharing the same thought spectrum! You're not going to win this dude over because he is the kind of guy that will break your posts down into segments and over-analyze and scrutinize everything you say... in fact, you might as well see his follow-up response to your last post as this:

Are you not aware that all in industries that I mentioned make their stuff OVERSEAS as in not in America. If we opened up all these industires here in america, think of all those jobs. If we opened all those industries here in america someone here in america would be needing to grow what was needed to be used.
BULLSHIT, you're wrong, I'm right!

Plastics made of hemp do not pollute during their making, the don't poison you while you use them and they are biodegradable. When was the last time you could say that about a pertochemical based plastic.
BULLSHIT, you're wrong, I'm right!

Henry Ford made a car where 70% of the car was made out of hemp based plastics and the car ran on hemp based fuel. Back in I think it was 2004, a hemp powered car drove around the US.
BULLSHIT, you're wrong, I'm right!

Ignoring the solutions does not make them any less viable.
And to sum this up, BULLSHIT, you're wrong, I'm right!
 

MrJDGaF

Well-Known Member
tasteskindasalty, I assume from your comments you've never read 'The Emperor Wears No Clothes'? Read that and you will be better informed of the facts regarding uses of Cannabis.:-):peace:
 

OregonMeds

Well-Known Member
First, I've ever said I was against legalization...never once. I've only said that I don't believe legalization of marijuana will help the economy. End of story there.


Wrong. Legalization would allow you to grow your own marijuana legally. How many people do you know that grow tomatoes, tobacco, grapes, apples, cotton...and on and on...and turn a profit. I'm betting zero. Why, because those people grow as a hobby. Profits are made by large farmers who own large pieces of land and have the resources to grow large crops. Legalizing marijuana would prompt the same thing to happen. A few large land owners would produce the majority of the marijuana sold. You think Amsterdam gets its marijuana from a bunch of people growing in their backyard lol. Heck no, they get it from professional growers, with professional equipment, who overpower small growers with their prices.


First of all, almost every major city has already made smoking illegal in clubs, bars, and restaurants. You can't legalize smoking there because then the cigarette smokers would be upset. You can't legalize both because then the nonsmokers would be upset. Sure, a few businesses might pop up, but thats hardly a case to legalize it.


So wait, you'd be creating jobs by removing jobs? How does that solve anything?


How does this create more jobs though? This is my point, what does the legalization of marijuana do to help the economy. Last I checked, the plastics industry isn't hurting, so how does this help? Sure, there are TONS of materials in the world that can replace other materials, but what does that prove? How does this help the economy?


Again, so what. You've introduced a new food into our grocery stores. So in the peanut area there will be "hemp seeds". Again, big deal. Sure, great product, but its like adding a new kind of pretzel, big deal.


Again...sigh...replacing one with another. What does that do?



All you did was show was uses the marijuana plant has...big deal. I already knew that. And your points are this...turn the plastics industry into a marijuana industry. Turn the cotton industry into a marijuana industry. What does that do? Our economy isn't in the dump because of those industries. Marijuana as a fuel source, then you can start talking. Otherwise, exchanging one material for another does absolutely nothing.

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana. Legalize it! But legalize it because its not a dangerous drug, calms people's nerves, or can be used to help people with illnesses. Legalize it because its less dangerous than a night of hard drinking. Legalize it because it doesn't have the addictive qualities of cigarettes.


Make a case that it should be legal because it would help the economy...that's where I save BS.
Have you seen this documentary called "The Union"?
http://blip.tv/file/1356143?filename=Zebb-TheUnionTheBusinessBehindGettingHigh804.AVI
http://blip.tv/file/1356143/

Watch that realize the scope of all the things it says and come back and tell us if it didn't change your mind about anything...
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
That was an excellent video OregonMeds, thanks for posting it.

It's says some of the things I've been trying to pound into this one hard head hanging around here.
 

the beekeepers

Well-Known Member
I'm sure you are all sipping coffee, surfing the forum and reading the Wall Street Journal this fine January morning. There is an excellent letter to the editor on page A12. This guy was a police officer for 18 years and he is firmly against prohibition. Brilliant letter, just f-ing brilliant.
 

the beekeepers

Well-Known Member
I'm sure you are all sipping coffee, surfing the forum and reading the Wall Street Journal this fine January morning. There is an excellent letter to the editor on page A12. This guy was a police officer for 18 years and he is firmly against prohibition. Brilliant letter, just f-ing brilliant.
I learned something about how drug prohibition generates crime during my 18 years of police service. Eighty percent of my property-crime case load was caused by addicts needing money to pay sky-high prices for crack, etc. Legal crack would cost an addict about a dollar per day, as would heroin and amphetamines.

Ronald Shafer (Letters, Dec. 30) worries about what drug dealers would do without their prohibition-generated jobs. The one million teens who sell drugs would begin flipping burgers and mowing yards. Serious thugs will rob banks where we will capture or kill them. Or was Mr. Shafer suggesting to continue prohibition as a jobs program for bad guys?

Howard J. Wooldridge
Education Specialist
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Washington

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123129925735059937.html
 

Hooker

New Member
You people are so hopeful... lol. America's economy is getting totally trashed because we spend money on murdering innocent people in the middle east and on sending cannabis smokers and growers to jail...

I read up a lot on Obama, and it's pretty clear to me that he either is, or once was for cannabis legalization, but he is a PANZY and is too scared to say it publicy. Now he has completely backed off from that.

I suggest everyone one of us Americans who dont want to get screwed over by our government, find a new and better country, and move along with our friends, leaving this declining civilization to rot in its own filth.:-o

I myself am going to Sweden... just cuz it's pretty and there's lots of music and beaches. It's also a socialist government which means everyone is a little more equal is regards to money, even if I do plan on being well above middle class someday... the cannabis laws? Who knows but Amsterdam isn't too far away. =]
 

Hooker

New Member
Several billion I know, but that encompasses a lot. The number exclusively in regards to marijuana, probably a lot too. Last number I remember hearing was on average about twenty billion gets spent TOTAL every year. But that means everything, not just marijuana.

Still, you can pinpoint hundreds of areas that have had money spent poorly...not just marijuana. Say you have this bucket of water with hundreds of tiny holes representing every problem. What does plugging one hole solve, nothing. Legalize marijuana (while I 100% support it) won't help the economy. There are bigger holes to plug, such as our education system, poor management of unions, healthcare, morgages, banks...and the list goes on and on. Sure, I'd love to have the legalization of marijuana, but saying it will help the economy isn't one of the reasons I support it.

The fundamental reason we are in a recession is a titanic collapse of the financial system specifically involving the housing market and the overvaluing of mortgages. Legalizing marijuana would not make a noticeable dent in solving that.
Um... I dont think the economy is like a bucket with holes in it. If you fix a problem in the economy, it doesnt make all the other problems worse... sorry but that was just a bad analogy. Besides... laws shouldnt be based on money, they should be based on what's right and wrong.
 

OregonMeds

Well-Known Member
That dude says:
"The fundamental reason we are in a recession is a titanic collapse of the financial system specifically involving the housing market and the overvaluing of mortgages. Legalizing marijuana would not make a noticeable dent in solving that."



Then you aren't up on your history because a similar thing has happened before. One of the absolute fires that sent the US economy back on track ending the great depression and spurring industry along on a rocketship to recovery was the repeal of the prohibition of alcohol. All the sudden millions of dollars flew into the economy not only feeding revenue directly via taxes and providing massive numbers of legitmate jobs but all the tooling, trucks, etc required to ramp up a legal alcohol market. They couldn't just have budweiser or whoever bottling home brew and delivering it by trunkloads in fast sedans like the bootleggers did it.

If you're going to argue so heavily, you should know a lil something about what you are arguing about.
 
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