Persian White Poppies (DWC, and Soil)

[2cimdma]

Yea I know this is a marijuana forum and I came here to learn how to grow it. But I noticed people asking questions about poppies which I grow. So I figured I might as well start a journal. I'm going to be showing two grows. One in DWC and another in soil. The soil is going to start off inside but I might transplant to outdoors. The hydro will all be inside.

The equipment used for lighting on both grows is just going to be a 600 watt MH, hortilux bulb, and the cheapest reflector the hydro store sold.

The hydro equip will be in 5 gallon buckets(home depot) with a 20 dollar pump I picked up at walmart and 6" nets with hydroton. Each bucket has a 6" airstone(also purchased at walmart). Nutes will be Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow.

For soil Ill be starting them off in Ferry Morse 'Quick n Easy' 36 pellet greenhouse. No nutes at the begining the soil will supply what it needs.

The first thing you should know is that poppies like cold weather. Outside they are best planted in late fall and are allowed to winter. So this means that they vegitate during the shorter days of the year. So for indoors to mimic nature the lighting cycle of poopies is the opposite of weed. For veg I will have them on a 12/12 cycle mimicing fall,winter, and early spring. Later on I will switch them to 18/6 and then to 20/4.

Poppies unlike weed are not that easy to kill with nutes. Not to say it cant happen but it just takes alot more.

For soil grows the main problem a newb will encounter is over watering them. Look at the places is grown well at and you'll see what I mean. I let the soil get pretty dry before watering. Generally that would be every few days at best. And you dont have to soak them then just get the soil damp. When they move into flower I will barely water them at all as this will create higher potency opium.

Ok so anyways Im sure Ill think of more stuff as I go along but its 3 in the morning and I want to watch some tv.

So on 1/6/09 I took some Persian White seeds

and a Ferry Morse greenhouse, which is just 36 peat pellets in a black tray with clear dome.

Just add water and they will expand.

I then added around five seeds per pellet. When I sow the seeds all I do is take about 5 of them(I will thin them out as they grow) and just sprinkle them on top of the soil. I dont put them in a hole or anything.

After they are sprinkled on top I lightly tap them down with my finger. Then I take alittle bit of soil, finely crushed,and then sprinlkle a tiny bit of that on top of the seeds. After you put the little soil on top of the seed it is good if you still see the seeds on top. And if you cant see them then you better have then extremly lighly covered and not buried.

Now that my 36 pellets have about 5 seeds in each all I do is put the dome on the tray and put in a dark place.

You may have read that it has to be cold for germination but thats never worked for me. Ive tried all methods for germination but I found the best place is in a dark spot at room temp.

Germination should take around 3-5 days. But I have had plants pop up 3 weeks later. When I update tomorrow on the DWC ill go into that a bit more.

So today(1/10/09) when I got back home from being out of town I checked on them and every pellet has germinated seeds. that are about 1" tall.

Sorry for the crappy pics but my wife lost camera in Illinois. Anyways you may be able to see the white web-like material on the pellets right where the plant meets the soil. That web stuff are roots of the poppy. This is causesed because the seeds where just put on top of the soil. But dont worry in a couple days they will make there way down into the soil. But also because of this DONT WATER THEM!!! Dont even try to mist them cause any sort of pressure on these plants will knock them down. There should be enough water still in the soil to support them for quite some time. Now I still have these in a dark place but it is receiving a tiny tiny amount of light off my weed grow room(MH). In another day or so I will move them into alittle more direct light. I will continue to leave the dome on as well to keep in the humidity and protect them from direct light and wind or anything else that will knock them down.

So I just wanted to catch you guys up to date on the soil and I will do the same on the hydro tomorrow.

The goal of course is to watch these little guys go from what they are to.

If you have any questions you can ask whenever. Hope you all look forward to some poppy porn

 

[Woomeister]

are you an opiate addict?

 

[2cimdma]

Why does that matter?

 

[Woomeister]

It doesnt, I just wondered why you would spend time and effort growing poppies. How will you process them?

 

[2cimdma]

To process what? There is no processing depending how you want to use it. Raw opium comes right out of the pod. to make poppy tea I dont even have to cut the pods. Are you a crack head?

 

[Woomeister]

To process what? There is no processing depending how you want to use it. Raw opium comes right out of the pod. to make poppy tea I dont even have to cut the pods. Are you a crack head?

No, stop freebasing 10 years ago! So you will make tea, thats fine only wondering...

 

[2cimdma]

Yea sorry for being an asshole its been a long day and its 4:19 a.m. so Im tired. But yes tea and opium.

Raw opium I scraped the other night

 

[Woomeister]

How addictive is opium tea?

 

[2cimdma]

Its addictive but you can be a casual user. Its just like any other opiate, use in moderation and it can be good, start using everyday and it will turn pretty nasty.

 

[Woomeister]

Thanks. Im glad your not in Western Illinois Correctional Center anymore....do you feel corrected? lol.

 

[2cimdma]

Thanks and nope I dont feel corrected even after 4 years and 3 weeks. But it did change me now I just do this stuff for personal and the weed for a friend.

 

[2cimdma]

Sorry havent really kept up like I wanted to but I've been busy. So anyways I transplanted the poppies into bigger containers. The leaves are about 8-10" long, looking good

 

[2cimdma]

Ok so that last post was just bullshit, those plants are....well....I dont know how old exactly probably 7 weeks or so. I constantly plant poppies so I have a continious harvest so I really have no idea how old those are.

Anyways. The plants in the pics below are 14 days old from seeds. I have them in veg on 12/12 cycle. Its normal for them to fall over so dont get worried. The stem are very skinny so it makes them top heavy. When I move them into bigger pots I will prop them up alittle with some soil if they need it and use supports if needed. But 90% of the time they will eventually be ablt to completly support themselves. Their roots are now in the soil enough to mist them and I also use a funnel and water between the rows(bottom feed). Still no nutes and I wont use them for a couple more weeks. With these pellets you'll have to water about every 2-3 days since they are small they dry pretty fast. When I say water I mean get them alittle damp. About evey 5 days give them a good watering via bottom feed. Of course this depends on how hot it is in your grow room and your humidity. The hotter and dryer then you'll have to water sooner. I live in southern USA so are temps are not that bad but some nights,like tonight, get kinda cold. Tonight its suppose to get to 27F. So since poppies like it cold I keep them in the attic where it gets cold but not freezing. And just to make sure they stay somewhat warm I have the light on from 8PM-8AM so it can keep them warmer through the coldest parts of the night. My plants that I have outside(the pics in the post right before this)I just bring into my garage to avoid frost issues. I have accidently left my plants outside earlier this winter when it actually snowed down here. Only one small plant died. So what Im saying is poppies are pretty strong.

Ok now onto the hydro. I still havent set up a new grow cause the exsisting poppies in my DWC keep producing new pods. But I did toss some seeds in a bucket from one of my pods and it did produce some little guys. I did this about 2-3 weeks ago. This bucket has just been by a western facing window which get 2 hours of sun at best. There has been no pumps or are stones in this bucket. So basically the hydroton must of still been wet enough to germinate the seeds and the humidity rising must of been enough to keep them fed. I just found these today so Im going to move them upstairs as well and Im going to get another pump tomorrow and stick an airstone in there. The rockwool was from previous grow and I just cant take it out now cause the plants are too small and the hydroton shifting might kill them. But in a couple more weeks or so I'll be able to remove them.

Oh and I forgot to mention. For both the soil and hydo I will thin them out when they get alittle bigger. Alot of people will say 3 plants max per 6" net but I have no proble getting four in there. It isnt like they're fighting for nutes or something like in soil. As for soil I will move 3 pellets into regular flower pots and wait till they are alittle bit bigger and then thin them out once again till there are only two per pot. Or I'll plant one per peat pot and wait till they are bigger and plant them in the ground outside.

The last pic is of one flowering.....yea well I guess thats pretty obvious

 

[NoSaint]

How long is a typical grow cycle? I've been thinking of trying this for a long time. Just never got around to it yet.

 

[2cimdma]

I would say average 90 days. Hydro is quicker(70 days or so) but you can only do so many. Unless of course you have a big growroom and want to use alot of space and equipment on them. I grow them like that mainly for fun and breeding. It takes alot of pods to get alittle opium. Soil is the way to go if your looking for quantity. They are nice to grow just cause of the ease in it. Even the hydro is easy. They like higher PH and they arent picky with the nutes so its almost hard to kill them unintentionaly.

 

[2cimdma]

Made some tea outta some dried pods and stems. I have a genetic disease which makes my joints dislocate all the time like for example whenever I raise my arms above shoulder height,like putting on my shirt, my shoulders will dislocate. Sometimes my knees dislocate when walking. So anyways I get meds for the pain which isnt like you would expect. Its more of a throbbing pain at the end of the day. But the reason I bring that up is since I get meds I only get so many for a certain amount of time. Poppy tea is my safety net if I run out or need alittle bit more relief. A quarter cup will pretty much take care of the pain. A cup will get ya nodding.

Take anywhere from 2-6 pods(depends on the poppy strain some are more potent than others). With them pods put them in a coffee grinder and chop them into a fine of a powder as you can get. The finer the powder the more alkaloids you will extract. Next take 2 cups of water and put them into a pot and bring to a boil. Once water starts to boil remove it from the heat. At this time add the powder to the water and let it steep for 20 minutes or so,while the water cools,stirring every now and then. After the 20 minutes just pour through a coffe filter or like material. after you get the liquid out squeeze the filter with the grounds to get the remaining liquid out. And now your ready to drink.

Thats the most basic, easy way to make it. I do a couple more steps in between. Depending on how dark the liquid looks while in the pot cooling(the darker the more potent). If it is lighter than I want I will keep the heat on low so some of the water steams off. BE CAREFUL NOT TO BRING TO BOIL AS IT WILL BREAK DOWN THE GOOD STUFF. Also while I'm doing this I will add some lemon juice or vinager if I dont have lemon. This affects the PH and other shit that helps extract the morphine. Theres a reason they use Acetic Anhydride to produce morphine and then heroin. After doing those steps then its the same as the previous method with the filtering.

Poppy tea is uh...a acquired taste to put it a nice way. You can try to give it alittle better tast as you would with regular tea by using honey or whatever. I personally get it a little bit warm and then just bit the bullet and take it down as quick as possible and then use take a drink of coffee as a chaser(I'm a coffee addict). Its pretty nasty tasting but I just dont like having to prolong it anymore then it has to be.

The feeling is not unlike any other opiate vicodin(strong dose), morphine or whatever. Alot of people love it and alot of people hate it. Some people will throw up which isnt that uncommon. You might also itch too but that normally goes away pretty quickly.

Beside those side effects there is just one more little one. Which is just like other opiates..YOU CAN OD AND DIE BY USING TOO MUCH!!! The reason I say this is cause this is a weed forum and alot of you guys and girls have not done strong opiates and I dont want you to think it cant happen. People tend to get the idea that since they can handle alot of one drug that they can handle alot of another. DONT GET THIS MISCONCEPTION WITH OPIATES. I have seen people think they can handle a line of heroin the same size as a line of coke even though they have never used heroin. I have had friends die to heroin overdoses. This is not really shit you play around with so dont be a moron and just take it easy. So if you make some just drink alittle bit and see if and what it does for you. Then if you need more drink ALITTLE more. Give it 30 minutes or so to take affect. I dont mean to be going on and on about this but I need to stress the point.

Poppy tea can be a great pain killer as well as recreational high, but use in moderation. Alittle bit of it every now and then isnt bad but too much at once can kill you and using it alot will give you a dependency.

 

[Hydrotech364]

How long does it take to grow??????

 

[2cimdma]

With hydro it can take about 70 days or so. With soil it can take 90-120 days.

 

[2cimdma]

As for seeds you can get them alot of places. Im not sure if I can mention places to buy them or not. So if its wrong to metion sellers I apologize. The first seeds I bought were Persian whites off ebay. I bought 100000 seeds for 10 dollars or so. Also Park Seeds is another good one and then ethnobotanicals.com. They are very cheap compared to weed seeds. I have around 6-7 different strains now. You should only have to buy seeds once if you want to continue growing the same breed. Each pod you grow with have a shit load of seeds inside it that you can get once they die or you cut. Just let the pods dry out and cut the pod open and dump the seeds into a bag or whatever.

 

[South Texas]

Dude, thanks for the info & pics. Nicely done. Do you score the pod, then scrape the next day? And what is the highest yield/potency strain that you know about. I've read where you can harvest one pod more than once. Have you done this? See poppyseeds.org-Golden Triangle Opium Cultivation & Processing.