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jack n the box or wallmart eh? no, i hate to break it to you but im a small business owner and my own boss.

unions are just organized crime. you want to work, we want a cut. and if you dont give us a cut we send thugs with signs to stand in front of your projects and cry all day.

btw - thank you for the green lettering, it lets me know when im about to read a joke.

Not true at all,most unions are not the massive institutions that the UAW has grown into,most are very small in manpower & take a very small percentage of an employees hourly wage,my local has 4 full time employees who make much less than i do & they drive their own cars,i pay my union a whopping 2% of my after tax income.

Employers are all after one thing & that is maximum profit,the only carring relationship that exists between any employer & his employees is with the employer caring about 2 things,profits & productivity,no employer gives 2 shits about quality of life of its employee base,they will only pay the absolute bare minumum wage to keep an employee base working & not a penny more,non union employers talk all the time about how much they care about the employee's well being,that is until the employees want better benifits or a raise, then they cry poverty & claim they will price the company out of the market if they increase labor costs,total bulshit on scab company owners parts.

My non union counter parts make at the max $20 an hour which is less than half my hourly rate of $47 per hour,for a grown ass man supporting a family $20 an hour is a insult & not a liveable wage,my non union counter part also has no pension,some have 401k plans but that is no substitute for a pension & requires the employee contribute to the 401k out of the allready extremely low working wage they recieve,most do not use their 401k plans to their maximum contribution level because they cant afford to loose the money out of pocket to get the employeer to match the contribution.

My non union counter part also recieves a much lower value health insurance that also requires him to pull money out of pocket to even have the plan, where my insurance is 100% paid for by my employer.

All our employees also recieve a $300 a month performance check that is tax free,if we show up for work every day on time & only have fully excused abscenses then we recieve the check,this comes out to $3,600 a year that my non union counter parts do not recieve.

Our employees also recieve travel pay,this comes into play when we work more than 50 miles away from our union hall,our travel pay starts out at $40 a day plus mileage,my non union counter parts do not recieve travel pay,they have to foot the entire gasoline expense out of pocket, no matter how far away they have to work.

My non union counter part also recieves no vacation pay where i recieve a check once a year that pays me $5.60 for every hour i work,this translates into about $8,000 a year that my non union counter part does not recieve.

We also pay for all our apprentices 3 years of trade school they must take in order to learn their trade & recieve certification then their journeymans card,we also pay them to take any training needed for speciality items such as saftey courses & abatement issues,none of my non union counter parts recieve these incentives & these are things that cost my employer alot of money every year.

We also supply all our foremen & superintendants with late model work trucks at company expense,these trucks are fully maintained at company cost,my non union counter part is on his own to supply his own truck & to maintain it out of his pocket,between monthly truck payments,fuel & maintainance this comes out to atleast $5,000 a year that my non union counter part does not recieve.

Now with all the extra stuff i get that my non union counter part does not recieve any man with common sense would think that the non union shop would pass these tremendous savings onto the consumer,the non union shops do not pass the savings on, they line their pockets with the extra cash,i see this all the time,when sealed bids are opened i get to see the numbers & 99% of the time non union shops are right in line with the union shop bids,alot of the time the non union contractors have a higher per sq ft price over the union shops.

How is it possible ,when my yearly income is atleast $50,000 more than the higests paid non union counter part of mine & im just one man at my company,all our workers are paid twice as much as their non union counter parts & thats just the hourly wage,when i add up all the incentive programs we offer them,the travel expense,the truck & maintainance,free gasoline the ratio would put my non union counter part at making about 40% of my hourly wage,again how is this possible ?

For what i pay my union vs what i recieve from them is a no brainer,they come in once a year,look at all the books,investigate all company expenses vs profit margins & use this information as a barginig tool when contract time rolls around,all my non union counter part gets to know when he "asks" for a cost of living raise is what the company owner tells him,if we do not get a yearly cost of living wage it's because the company is not finincally able to do so,if my non union counter part does not get a raise it could be because the owner of the non union company is greedy,or built a new house in the FLA Keys,or a new sports car,or lost too much at the casino,bought his wife 10 new mink coats ect.

In the last 4 years all my men recieved a total of $6.53 in cost of living wages where my non union counterparts wages have gone down by a margin of 10% to 15%,these numbers are isued yearly for all to see.

Construction unions do not get work because they are union,they get work because they turned in the lowest square foot price for the job,if non union contractors passed the massive savings in labor that have over their union competetors then they would have a unstopable advantage over every union contractor, the labor cost advantage would put all construction unions directly out of business,this is not the case,construction unions thrive in my state because all the non union shops owners & upper management take & keep all the profits foe themselves while the employees who bust their asses struggle every day just to barely make ends meet.

People are greedy,its in all of our natures to be self centered,greedy & only think of ourself,its also in all our natures to think we deserve a larger slice of the pie than we are recieving right now,ask anybody you know if they think they deserve more money per hour,every last person will say that they deserve more money,this is how all people think,now turn that around on employers & company owners,all of them think exactly as we do, think they deserve a bigger slice of the pie & non union contractors are getting that larger slice of the pie, while their employees are taking it up the shitter with substandard wages that keep all family members working full time jobs just to make ends meet,most never get ahead in life.

I & my union men make the company i work for millions of dollars every year,i see what i make them in our quarterly reports,i make them these profits because the men who work for me all are well trained,have good lives from making a liveable wage, in turn they repay all the good treatment they recieve from my company & me by busting their asses every day,our profit margins are still huge even though we pay about 60% more in wages than our non union counter parts.

Both union & non union contractors all buy their materials from the same suppliers & pay the same prices so material prices are exactly the same with the union shops having no advantage in hourly wages or material costs,how is it that my company thrives when we pay so much more to our men,there is only one possible answer & that is greed on the part of the scab company owners.

Never look down on a guy because he makes alot of money per hour,for every dollar a man is paid you can bet the company big wigs are making $5 for his $1,and in the case of scab labor its more like $1 for the working man & $10 for the big wigs.

Work union & live better i say.
 
and the bailouts you mention, the auto industrys in particular...the UAW is partialy responsible for american automaking needing a bailout.

Im 100% pro union but i have to agree about the role the uaw has played in bring the giants down,ive spent years woring in & around auto plants & wittnessed 1st hand the absolute worst work force that one could imagine,men sitting in one spot the entire day reading a book,or in the cafateria all dat long playing cards,men who form groups to punch eather in & out so they do not even have to come to work that day,ive seen it all,guys so damm drunk i can see them staggering around,but these things have been rapidly changing.

Ive wittnessed much of the newer work force from the uaw put forth good work ethic & care about their jobs,the newer work force does not work under the same contracts that allow the old timers to sleep all day sunday & recieve double time for sleeping,the uaw was a large part in bringing down the big 3 but they are not alone,the management at the bid 3 is just as fuked in the way they implement their loose version of a workable business model,they have zero authority over their employees & zero drive to assure the employees do a good job at competetive production outas.

The uaw has started working to try & put a stop to the antiquated work rules that their members take advantage of daily but its too little too late,whats needed is a complete restructuring from the top down starting with management,then movving down to the blue collar workers.

You cant blame a guy for not wanting to take a cut in pay when the management end fly's around ther world in rented jet planes & all have summer homes in the bahamas,or recieve bonuses that would feed a 3rd world country.

I agree that the uaw is a bad apple from what they have allowed themselves to become but you should not judge all unions from that example,the uaw is the absolute opitimy of a negative union shop,there are many more unions who do not follow the same line of thought & are a great benifit to the local economy's,working men spend money where they work,company owners & upper management does not.
 
id be one of those non-union losers still IN bed...I was workin in the culinary her in vegas...good benefits and pay...I just hate the service industry, and have no desire for it's money or its temptations!!
 
Not true at all,most unions are not the massive institutions that the UAW has grown into,most are very small in manpower & take a very small percentage of an employees hourly wage,my local has 4 full time employees who make much less than i do & they drive their own cars,i pay my union a whopping 2% of my after tax income.

Employers are all after one thing & that is maximum profit,the only carring relationship that exists between any employer & his employees is with the employer caring about 2 things,profits & productivity,no employer gives 2 shits about quality of life of its employee base,they will only pay the absolute bare minumum wage to keep an employee base working & not a penny more,non union employers talk all the time about how much they care about the employee's well being,that is until the employees want better benifits or a raise, then they cry poverty & claim they will price the company out of the market if they increase labor costs,total bulshit on scab company owners parts.

My non union counter parts make at the max $20 an hour which is less than half my hourly rate of $47 per hour,for a grown ass man supporting a family $20 an hour is a insult & not a liveable wage,my non union counter part also has no pension,some have 401k plans but that is no substitute for a pension & requires the employee contribute to the 401k out of the allready extremely low working wage they recieve,most do not use their 401k plans to their maximum contribution level because they cant afford to loose the money out of pocket to get the employeer to match the contribution.

My non union counter part also recieves a much lower value health insurance that also requires him to pull money out of pocket to even have the plan, where my insurance is 100% paid for by my employer.

All our employees also recieve a $300 a month performance check that is tax free,if we show up for work every day on time & only have fully excused abscenses then we recieve the check,this comes out to $3,600 a year that my non union counter parts do not recieve.

Our employees also recieve travel pay,this comes into play when we work more than 50 miles away from our union hall,our travel pay starts out at $40 a day plus mileage,my non union counter parts do not recieve travel pay,they have to foot the entire gasoline expense out of pocket, no matter how far away they have to work.

My non union counter part also recieves no vacation pay where i recieve a check once a year that pays me $5.60 for every hour i work,this translates into about $8,000 a year that my non union counter part does not recieve.

We also pay for all our apprentices 3 years of trade school they must take in order to learn their trade & recieve certification then their journeymans card,we also pay them to take any training needed for speciality items such as saftey courses & abatement issues,none of my non union counter parts recieve these incentives & these are things that cost my employer alot of money every year.

We also supply all our foremen & superintendants with late model work trucks at company expense,these trucks are fully maintained at company cost,my non union counter part is on his own to supply his own truck & to maintain it out of his pocket,between monthly truck payments,fuel & maintainance this comes out to atleast $5,000 a year that my non union counter part does not recieve.

Now with all the extra stuff i get that my non union counter part does not recieve any man with common sense would think that the non union shop would pass these tremendous savings onto the consumer,the non union shops do not pass the savings on, they line their pockets with the extra cash,i see this all the time,when sealed bids are opened i get to see the numbers & 99% of the time non union shops are right in line with the union shop bids,alot of the time the non union contractors have a higher per sq ft price over the union shops.

How is it possible ,when my yearly income is atleast $50,000 more than the higests paid non union counter part of mine & im just one man at my company,all our workers are paid twice as much as their non union counter parts & thats just the hourly wage,when i add up all the incentive programs we offer them,the travel expense,the truck & maintainance,free gasoline the ratio would put my non union counter part at making about 40% of my hourly wage,again how is this possible ?

For what i pay my union vs what i recieve from them is a no brainer,they come in once a year,look at all the books,investigate all company expenses vs profit margins & use this information as a barginig tool when contract time rolls around,all my non union counter part gets to know when he "asks" for a cost of living raise is what the company owner tells him,if we do not get a yearly cost of living wage it's because the company is not finincally able to do so,if my non union counter part does not get a raise it could be because the owner of the non union company is greedy,or built a new house in the FLA Keys,or a new sports car,or lost too much at the casino,bought his wife 10 new mink coats ect.

In the last 4 years all my men recieved a total of $6.53 in cost of living wages where my non union counterparts wages have gone down by a margin of 10% to 15%,these numbers are isued yearly for all to see.

Construction unions do not get work because they are union,they get work because they turned in the lowest square foot price for the job,if non union contractors passed the massive savings in labor that have over their union competetors then they would have a unstopable advantage over every union contractor, the labor cost advantage would put all construction unions directly out of business,this is not the case,construction unions thrive in my state because all the non union shops owners & upper management take & keep all the profits foe themselves while the employees who bust their asses struggle every day just to barely make ends meet.

People are greedy,its in all of our natures to be self centered,greedy & only think of ourself,its also in all our natures to think we deserve a larger slice of the pie than we are recieving right now,ask anybody you know if they think they deserve more money per hour,every last person will say that they deserve more money,this is how all people think,now turn that around on employers & company owners,all of them think exactly as we do, think they deserve a bigger slice of the pie & non union contractors are getting that larger slice of the pie, while their employees are taking it up the shitter with substandard wages that keep all family members working full time jobs just to make ends meet,most never get ahead in life.

I & my union men make the company i work for millions of dollars every year,i see what i make them in our quarterly reports,i make them these profits because the men who work for me all are well trained,have good lives from making a liveable wage, in turn they repay all the good treatment they recieve from my company & me by busting their asses every day,our profit margins are still huge even though we pay about 60% more in wages than our non union counter parts.

Both union & non union contractors all buy their materials from the same suppliers & pay the same prices so material prices are exactly the same with the union shops having no advantage in hourly wages or material costs,how is it that my company thrives when we pay so much more to our men,there is only one possible answer & that is greed on the part of the scab company owners.

Never look down on a guy because he makes alot of money per hour,for every dollar a man is paid you can bet the company big wigs are making $5 for his $1,and in the case of scab labor its more like $1 for the working man & $10 for the big wigs.

Work union & live better i say.
I'm all pro union as one can see from all my posts over the 2-3 years I've been here. My question to you is: What is your trade. I want to be sure to get my grandaughters a job in that trade., 47 bucks an hr, that's Dr. territory?
 
I'm all pro union as one can see from all my posts over the 2-3 years I've been here. My question to you is: What is your trade. I want to be sure to get my grandaughters a job in that trade., 47 bucks an hr, that's Dr. territory?

Truth be told Med technically im not really in the trades any longer since being promoted to Superintendant,im a card holder in the Operating Engineers union & im CCO certified for all cranes as well as any related equipment,im also a card holder in the Roofers/Waterproofers & Allied workers union,i still hold both journeyman cards in both trades,the cards allow me to do on site work when i need to where the other superintendants are not allowed to work,i like being able to help out when its needed so i turned down the salary that other superintendants recieve & stayed on union scale.

My base rate at Journeyman scale would be $31.86 an hour but i am paid well above scale,we all are,if i hire a helper & he lasts 30 days i give him an extra $1 an hour above his scale,if he lasts 90 days i give him another $1 an hour,once the helper makes it to apprentiship school if he's doing good in school & his performance on site is good then every time he gets a raise from graduating a class i give him another $1 an hour,by the time our apprentices are half way finished with school most of them are getting atleast journeyman scale,normally they reach journneymans pay 18 months ahead of schedule.

Once they pass all their classes & reach journeyman & recieve their cards all of them are making atleast $5 an hour above scale on the low side,some of my guy's make $10 above union scale,it depends on how many other things they can do that are outside their normal trade & how much effort they put into the job,for instance if one of our carpenters uses his free time in the winter & takes a class on welding he will be rewarded with a raise in the spring,the company i work for has a policy that if a man is worth keeping as a full time employee than he is worth paying above scale in order to get his best performance every day,i believe this also.

The owners of my company are smart,they dont pay us extra because they love us,they know we will work like mules for that extra money so they count on our greed,plus the over scale they pay us keeps the whole group tied to one goal,if production levels drop to below expected levels every last man will loose his extra pay & drop back down to union scale,this includes me as well,by paying everybody well over their union scale & being able to hold the threat of taking that extra money away at any time they like keeps everybody sharp as a razor,men do not come to work hung over from drinking all night or miss time for no reason because they know the other men will be on their ass.

We dont get that extra pay for nothing,you know how it is in the trades Med,company owners are greedy but smart,the only reason they give us extra is they know every last one of us will do whatever it takes to meet any quota they give us,this also includes myself,this is the reason i kept my cards & stayed in the union,alot of times i need to get out & help because the men are behind,we work right through lunch alot of times & have had to put in over time hours that we dont turn in so we can get back on track,nobody gets anything for free & were not overpaid because the owners are just super nice people.
 
id be one of those non-union losers still IN bed...I was workin in the culinary her in vegas...good benefits and pay...I just hate the service industry, and have no desire for it's money or its temptations!!

Out of every trade on earth the service industry has got to be the worst,i dont care how great a day your having one asshole allways comes along & fuks it up,i was in our service department while i was healing up from an injury & i hated it,it never failed i got one asshole every day who thought because he paid his bill he could speak to me like he owned me,my hats off to people that can deal with that type shit cause i know i cant.
 
Truth be told Med technically im not really in the trades any longer since being promoted to Superintendant,im a card holder in the Operating Engineers union & im CCO certified for all cranes as well as any related equipment,im also a card holder in the Roofers/Waterproofers & Allied workers union,i still hold both journeyman cards in both trades,the cards allow me to do on site work when i need to where the other superintendants are not allowed to work,i like being able to help out when its needed so i turned down the salary that other superintendants recieve & stayed on union scale.

My base rate at Journeyman scale would be $31.86 an hour but i am paid well above scale,we all are,if i hire a helper & he lasts 30 days i give him an extra $1 an hour above his scale,if he lasts 90 days i give him another $1 an hour,once the helper makes it to apprentiship school if he's doing good in school & his performance on site is good then every time he gets a raise from graduating a class i give him another $1 an hour,by the time our apprentices are half way finished with school most of them are getting atleast journeyman scale,normally they reach journneymans pay 18 months ahead of schedule.

Once they pass all their classes & reach journeyman & recieve their cards all of them are making atleast $5 an hour above scale on the low side,some of my guy's make $10 above union scale,it depends on how many other things they can do that are outside their normal trade & how much effort they put into the job,for instance if one of our carpenters uses his free time in the winter & takes a class on welding he will be rewarded with a raise in the spring,the company i work for has a policy that if a man is worth keeping as a full time employee than he is worth paying above scale in order to get his best performance every day,i believe this also.

The owners of my company are smart,they dont pay us extra because they love us,they know we will work like mules for that extra money so they count on our greed,plus the over scale they pay us keeps the whole group tied to one goal,if production levels drop to below expected levels every last man will loose his extra pay & drop back down to union scale,this includes me as well,by paying everybody well over their union scale & being able to hold the threat of taking that extra money away at any time they like keeps everybody sharp as a razor,men do not come to work hung over from drinking all night or miss time for no reason because they know the other men will be on their ass.

We dont get that extra pay for nothing,you know how it is in the trades Med,company owners are greedy but smart,the only reason they give us extra is they know every last one of us will do whatever it takes to meet any quota they give us,this also includes myself,this is the reason i kept my cards & stayed in the union,alot of times i need to get out & help because the men are behind,we work right through lunch alot of times & have had to put in over time hours that we dont turn in so we can get back on track,nobody gets anything for free & were not overpaid because the owners are just super nice people.
So, is it that way in every city or just where you are. I heard that to get a job as an O.E. you have to be born into it, like the longshoremen that continue to make over 100K yearly. I wonder if my grandaughter would have a better chance being a female. If I thought she had a chance I'd start pushing her now. I have one that would make a good O.E. and one that will undoubtably go to college. I just wonder if the O.E. one has a chance. I don't know any operating engineers. Thanks for your engagement. My O.E. girl, tears things apart and puts them back together, she is very talented in that way. She helps me work on my hotrod and questions everything. My other grandaughter is very girly, dolls and such. I dearly love them both, and will do all I can to see they have a shot in this world before I pass on, thanks again.
 
I come from a union family. my father was on the executive of afl-cio for many years. but.....the position the unions find themselves in is their own fault. like med says, you had to have been born into it. in the 60's and 70's getting a union job was hard to do. hell, forget trying to get into the apprenticeship training. they treated it like a country club, when they should have been getting as many people jobs that wanted to work. the union leaders became the fat cats they had been fighting for over 100 years.
 
they treated it like a country club, when they should have been getting as many people jobs that wanted to work. the union leaders became the fat cats they had been fighting for over 100 years.

thank you

and then when your not in thier club, they try to make it hard for you to work. thats where i get steamed up. just because i dont want to join thier club they think i shouldnt be able to work.
 
thank you

and then when your not in thier club, they try to make it hard for you to work. thats where i get steamed up. just because i dont want to join thier club they think i shouldnt be able to work.
exactly...you should have been welcomed with open arms...
people used to be proud to be union, but I see people these days that belong to the union and they bad mouth it.
 
I come from a union family. my father was on the executive of afl-cio for many years. but.....the position the unions find themselves in is their own fault. like med says, you had to have been born into it. in the 60's and 70's getting a union job was hard to do. hell, forget trying to get into the apprenticeship training. they treated it like a country club, when they should have been getting as many people jobs that wanted to work. the union leaders became the fat cats they had been fighting for over 100 years.
I watched our union fuck us to tears during a lockout, we had to take a 2.00 an hour cut. After the lockout ended, the company went out and bought 20 new mixers, @ 125K a unit, thats 3.5 Mil. About what we lost in the two years it took to get our pay back. We, the workers, bought the company 20 brand new mixers, right out of our wallets. The company just rubbed it in our faces. Actually, since I had enough seniority, I got a much nicer mixer out of the deal. Actually, since I was only a year away from retirement, and had enough money to last me for a while, I didn't care if the lockout lasted longer. The company had postured firing the whole union crew and going scab. That's what companies are like, greed personified. BTW, the concrete business at that time was booming. I did the math on costs and profit for every load going out of the plant, material and labor cost was about 300.00, the price of a ten yard load was 600.00, so every truck that left that day made them 300.00 profit, now there was the Plant and property cost. The amount of loads made every day was about 600-800 Thats 180K per day at the low figure. I think the company was pretty solvent. 900k+ per week, there was some work on saturdays.
 
exactly...you should have been welcomed with open arms...
people used to be proud to be union, but I see people these days that belong to the union and they bad mouth it.

no, i never wanted to be union. ive always wanted to be my own boss and i love it. im happy to be a small outfit. im just not about to be pushed around by the big dogs for not playing by thier rules.
 
unions just allow people to make more than there worth. It has torn our country apart and pushed almost all manufacturing overseas. Look at the auto industry paying people 30+ plus dollars an hour to pop on 1 quarter panel after another!>? What for. People work harder for 8 bucks an hour. If you want to make a good living and get paid well then go to school get a degree AND EARN IT. Factory work should be low paying! working a job thats labor intensive is your own fault and people obviously made the wrong choices in there life no fault but your own, why go running to a union.
 
So, is it that way in every city or just where you are. I heard that to get a job as an O.E. you have to be born into it, like the longshoremen that continue to make over 100K yearly. I wonder if my grandaughter would have a better chance being a female. If I thought she had a chance I'd start pushing her now. I have one that would make a good O.E. and one that will undoubtably go to college. I just wonder if the O.E. one has a chance. I don't know any operating engineers. Thanks for your engagement. My O.E. girl, tears things apart and puts them back together, she is very talented in that way. She helps me work on my hotrod and questions everything. My other grandaughter is very girly, dolls and such. I dearly love them both, and will do all I can to see they have a shot in this world before I pass on, thanks again.

The whole union trades in my state have to work agressively,its a very competitive state with the scab companys breathing down our necks at every pre bid,its cut throat as hell,ive seen ten & twenty million dollar projects be won or lost over as little as ten thousand dollars,our company has it better than most because we have several other offices in other states & in other countries so when the work dry's up alot of us can hit ongoing projects from other offices if we want to work out of town.

You have it right how it works with the Engineers,the only real way to get in the trade for most is to have family in the trade,if a father is lucky enough to get his son in the trade the son will not be able to earn a living from the job for years,they only work a few weeks out of the year & even then they only work as riggers or oilers,when i was still running crane i'd get a new hire every few weeks,then the business agent would replace him with another new guy to try & keep as many guys as possible working,ive had guy's cry when i broke the news to them that they were being replaced at the end of the week,they knew once they left my platform that was it for them working for the rest of the year,i allways hated telling them that shit .

The only other way to get in the Engineers is to have company sponsorship which is very rare to happen because its such a mess for the company to go through,the company pretty much has to go to war with the union to sponsor a new hire operator,especially if that new hire is slated for a year round position.

I went to Operators school on my own time & at my own expense one year when work was real slow,most the company was laid off in july so i figured instead of sitting home looking stupid i'd do something constructive,when we all went back to work in the spring i tried to break into the Operating Engineers,that wasnt happening,they told me i would be put on the list but there was allready over 100 people ahead of me & that they were not accepting any company sponsored operators to the union.

My chance came as pure dumb luck,my company had a bunch of government contracts for Embassy work in other countries,we only had 3 full time engineers & one was working a high rise that still had about a year left to go,another operator was nearing retirement & the 3rd operator was a excellent operator but he had a drinking problem,not at work but in his off hours,the company had no choice as they needed an operator in Africa & he was the only one availablle so they sent him,he wasnt in country more than a week or so when he got all sauced up at the hotel bar & cussed out an affrican citizen & called her a bunch of filthy names for serving him a shitty hamburger or some shit like that,he ended up in an African jail & the company had no operator.

This is where i got lucky,i took his place & the company started fighting with the union to get me in as a card holder,when they finally got the Engineer out of jail after bribing the local police captian they sent his ass right back home & fired him,we still had another embassy to go to in Saudi Arabia after we finished in Africa so the company wasnt taking any more chances with idiots,i was only authorized to operate until we got back to the states then i was to go back to my normal trade,once we got back to the states my skills at making hard picks safely & quickly had grown to where i wasnt to far behind our best operator,the company decided that i was staying on crane no matter what the union had to say.

I operated for about 3 more months under my other trade & the company kept up the pressure on the Engineers to let me in as a full member, finally the union caved in & gave me the operators card, i ran crane for 11 years total until one of the superintendants retired & i took over his projects.
 
If you want to make a good living and get paid well then go to school get a degree AND EARN IT.


its that mentality thats the reason we have so many college graduates slinging french fries. you DONT have to be college educated to make good money and just because you went to school for a few more years than some of us isnt gonna guarantee you 50K a year. this day and age people think you HAVE to go to college to be succesful. i know tons of tradesmen who have useless degrees they wasted 4 yrs of thier life to earn. its all just to get you to spend all the money getting that useless education(one you could get for 3.68 in late fees from your local library).
 
unions just allow people to make more than there worth. It has torn our country apart and pushed almost all manufacturing overseas. Look at the auto industry paying people 30+ plus dollars an hour to pop on 1 quarter panel after another!>? What for. People work harder for 8 bucks an hour. If you want to make a good living and get paid well then go to school get a degree AND EARN IT. Factory work should be low paying! working a job thats labor intensive is your own fault and people obviously made the wrong choices in there life no fault but your own, why go running to a union.
Now here is eliteism at it's proudest. "Go to school and get a degree and earn it" What an eliteist load of crap. You think those guys on an ever faster moving production line, standing on their feet for 8 hours, handling up to 60 lbs are stealing the money. It's clear you never have done an honest days work. Why should someone that sat on their asses for 4-6 years, drinking beer and fucking all the prime meat, off their daddys nickle be so overpaid. You daddys boy college pampered freaks are so overpaid it's pathetic. All you learn is how to be a lazy spoiled asshole. "Educated fools from uneducated schools" Curtis Mayfield. Geeze, if everyone was a lazy spoiled asshole, just like you, there would be 20 guys competing for your lazyass job, and most likely, with the above attitude, you'd be unemployed. FOAD.
 
Now here is eliteism at it's proudest. "Go to school and get a degree and earn it" What an eliteist load of crap. You think those guys on an ever faster moving production line, standing on their feet for 8 hours, handling up to 60 lbs are stealing the money. It's clear you never have done an honest days work. Why should someone that sat on their asses for 4-6 years, drinking beer and fucking all the prime meat, off their daddys nickle be so overpaid. You daddys boy college pampered freaks are so overpaid it's pathetic. All you learn is how to be a lazy spoiled asshole. "Educated fools from uneducated schools" Curtis Mayfield. Geeze, if everyone was a lazy spoiled asshole, just like you, there would be 20 guys competing for your lazyass job, and most likely, with the above attitude, you'd be unemployed. FOAD.
hey med...my question for this moron is...if everyone goes to college, where do we get our plumbers, ironworkers, carpenters...etc. I wonder if he envisions a world where we don't need those skilled trades.
 
hey med...my question for this moron is...if everyone goes to college, where do we get our plumbers, ironworkers, carpenters...etc. I wonder if he envisions a world where we don't need those skilled trades.

really....at least we can all agree on this - that guys a douchebag.


lets smoke on it-bongsmilie its northern lights.
 
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