Anotheroldephart
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Not off hand, but i'll put it to the "brain trust" today and get back to you..
Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!
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ProfessorMembrane
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You could use a variation on the Yeast Bucket CO2 production method to produce ethylene gas from natural sources, but you'll need to profile the micro-organisms that are chiefly responsible for breaking up the bananas or oranges or what have you so that you can attempt to make your bucket a suitable environment for them. A ppm monitor such as the one you displayed could be rigged to a regulator which would allow the gas in the bucket to escape at controlled intervals.
eza82
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This looks to be the most even applicator I have found. _ Will tial a bucket with isolated plant, use this on the girls at WK 3&4 of flower.
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THE WHAT:
Sensa-Spray is guaranteed to increase the number of female flowers on your plants and decrease the number of male flowers! Sensa-Spray is a fantastic new hormonal stimulant applied as a foliar spray in the mid-life of the plant. Sensa-Spray comes as a concentrate which you dilute, put into a standard plant mister and spray your leaves at the proper time in its life cycle. Sensa-Spray works by surrounding your plants in a gaseous female hormone atmosphere. This incites your plants to produce supranormal levels of its own female hormones resulting in more female and less male flowers.The active ingredient in Sensa-Spray is ethylene, which a normal female plant would produce on its own. The reaction to an external application of this natural hormone is to shove the plant's hormonal consciousness in the feminine direction regardless of inherent genetics.
Whether the plant was a natural male or female doesn't matter, the plant now responds to such treatment by producing its own elevated levels of ethylene.
This may seem odd, but reallly isn't since all plants have the genetic machinery to create these hormones on their own. The only difference between males and females is the degree of genetic repression in allowing it to happen. Inherent females are enhanced, inherent males are sexually reversed. Hormonal inertia in the feminine direction continues until the time you harvest.
Sensa-Spray is used at that time in the plant's life when it is still sexually uncommited.
For indooor growers, this means before any change to the shorter light cycles. For outdoor growers, this means a few weeks prior to that time of year when you are first able to determine the sex of your plants. Sensa-Spray will redirect the plant energy away from vegetative growth and into the formation of vegetative female sex organs. Sensa-Spray is a unique product. It does not contain gibberellins, naphthoxyacetic acids, nor any other standard commercially available chemicals you are likely to encounter.
What Sensa-Spray does contain is a compound which decomposes after dilution to yield ethylene in the proper and exact concentration to incite your plant towards feminization. And since it does decompose after it has done its job, Sensa-Spray is absolutely safe, both to the plant and to you. Makes 2 gallons of foliar spray.
The reason for TIMEING will be to induce further female pitals, and over all size & wieght of flower. Increasing the ability to produce tric`s.
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THE WHAT:
Sensa-Spray is guaranteed to increase the number of female flowers on your plants and decrease the number of male flowers! Sensa-Spray is a fantastic new hormonal stimulant applied as a foliar spray in the mid-life of the plant. Sensa-Spray comes as a concentrate which you dilute, put into a standard plant mister and spray your leaves at the proper time in its life cycle. Sensa-Spray works by surrounding your plants in a gaseous female hormone atmosphere. This incites your plants to produce supranormal levels of its own female hormones resulting in more female and less male flowers.The active ingredient in Sensa-Spray is ethylene, which a normal female plant would produce on its own. The reaction to an external application of this natural hormone is to shove the plant's hormonal consciousness in the feminine direction regardless of inherent genetics.
Whether the plant was a natural male or female doesn't matter, the plant now responds to such treatment by producing its own elevated levels of ethylene.
This may seem odd, but reallly isn't since all plants have the genetic machinery to create these hormones on their own. The only difference between males and females is the degree of genetic repression in allowing it to happen. Inherent females are enhanced, inherent males are sexually reversed. Hormonal inertia in the feminine direction continues until the time you harvest.
Sensa-Spray is used at that time in the plant's life when it is still sexually uncommited.
For indooor growers, this means before any change to the shorter light cycles. For outdoor growers, this means a few weeks prior to that time of year when you are first able to determine the sex of your plants. Sensa-Spray will redirect the plant energy away from vegetative growth and into the formation of vegetative female sex organs. Sensa-Spray is a unique product. It does not contain gibberellins, naphthoxyacetic acids, nor any other standard commercially available chemicals you are likely to encounter.
What Sensa-Spray does contain is a compound which decomposes after dilution to yield ethylene in the proper and exact concentration to incite your plant towards feminization. And since it does decompose after it has done its job, Sensa-Spray is absolutely safe, both to the plant and to you. Makes 2 gallons of foliar spray.
The reason for TIMEING will be to induce further female pitals, and over all size & wieght of flower. Increasing the ability to produce tric`s.
onenumcat
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nooooooo, you just get a co2 generator, then you only need to purchase propane...no one ever questions that...my grandpa's truck ran on propane.
onenumcat
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this is a chemical reaction, not caused by organisms...like oxidation of metal, I believe.
eza82
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For sure thats what we mentioned early Prof. a bucket with a few skins.. I would probably make it a two stage with a storage capacity
....it would be safe to say that ethylene C2H4 should be in high quantities, all the time to ensure flower ? So with seed based grows ethylene C2H4 should be present and accounted for to ensure Female.
C2H4 is something not really talked about much in pot ???????....
And a Combination with NAA (hormone) you cant really go wrong..... Bigger better fatter flowers from exsisting females....... & ALL FEMALES from seed....that mature quicker ????!!!!!!!!!!!
eza82
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What the biological break down of the skins ??? It would be like a compost heap....... which would produce c2h4 (the gas) -its basiclly like a bactirea fart.....which produces methane. except its plant matter & c2h4.
eza82
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This is a suggested use in mass scale:
APPLICATION SUGGESTIONS C@H4 FOR BANANA
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/catalyticgenerators/bananacc.pdf
Apply ethylene for a minimum of 24 hours during the initial phase of the ripening cycle. We recommend 100-150 PPM. To achieve this, the generator setting will depend on the size of the ripening room.
RETAIL PRODUCT:
If using a Sure-Ripe® generator (water/mix to gas genarator), this unit will convert 1 US quart of Ethy-Gen® II to ethylene in approximately 16-20 hours. This will be enough ethylene for 1 ripening cycle depending on the size and condition of the room.
APPLICATION SUGGESTIONS C@H4 FOR BANANA
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/catalyticgenerators/bananacc.pdf
Apply ethylene for a minimum of 24 hours during the initial phase of the ripening cycle. We recommend 100-150 PPM. To achieve this, the generator setting will depend on the size of the ripening room.
- 1500 PPM - 2500 cubic feet.
- 2500 PPM - 5000 cubic feet.
- 5000 PPM- 7500 cubic feet.
- 7500 PPM - 10000+ cubic feet.
RETAIL PRODUCT:
If using a Sure-Ripe® generator (water/mix to gas genarator), this unit will convert 1 US quart of Ethy-Gen® II to ethylene in approximately 16-20 hours. This will be enough ethylene for 1 ripening cycle depending on the size and condition of the room.
onenumcat
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no, it isn't. it's a hormone, a chemical, in this case, a gaseous compound...didn't you read your own research??
if you sterilize a leaf and vacuum pack it, say in a plastic bag, in theory, if all the bacteria were killed, it would be preserved forever. if you did the same thing to a banana rind, the bag would expand, until it burst, because a little ethylene causes more to be produces, exponentially. it's a chemical process, not caused by organisms...right??
eza82
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gas (C2H4) is an odorless, colorless gas exists in nature ( IN PLANT CELLS ) and is also created by man-made sources.no, it isn't. it's a hormone, a chemical, in this case, a gaseous compound...didn't you read your own research??
if you sterilize a leaf and vacuum pack it, say in a plastic bag, in theory, if all the bacteria were killed, it would be preserved forever. if you did the same thing to a banana rind, the bag would expand, until it burst, because a little ethylene causes more to be produces, exponentially. it's a chemical process, not caused by organisms...right??
(Plants collect from atmosphere and store useing with in the life cycle to either ripen fruit or induce flowering, etc, a late stages of plant maturity )
=Which inturn what we are talking about is the break down right?? The plant stores the c2h4 and releases it on break down - hense its like fart, its the gas ecasping from the cells within the plant... in this case the oranges and banana skins happen to store a shit load....
Catalytic trigger essentially....................
onenumcat
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uh, you didn't say that before...I quoted you. you said bacteria, but spelled it wrong. I didn't alter the quote. then you went back, after my post, and changed it to '...plant matter...' that's not fair to say I'm wrong, then go change your post so you're right...
I left you a link to my journal...perhaps you didn't visit...no comments from you there...I've been utilizing ethylene since my girls were seed. and...blah, blah, blah...it's all in my journal. have a peek.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/145957-5-strains-medi-bud-thc.html
My goal is only to get all females, minus the 3 feminized, out of 26 plants, soon to be 25, I think. I'm not concerned with growth rate or other hormones atm.
onenumcat
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no, it's not like a 'fart' from any organism...a fart is a waste byproduct...hormones are not waste. that's like saying blood is like shit...
eza82
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no, it's not like a 'fart' from any organism...a fart is a waste byproduct...hormones are not waste. that's like saying blood is like shit...
?????????????????????/ Sorry mate Im not arguing, Its just an example..... its just a gas escaping, like methane escaps form me if I died (another example)!!!!!!! lol
The fruit dies it farts all of its C2H4 out,, sry champ it sits with me........ excreets, pushs out, leaks,escapes or farts, i like farts! lol
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eza82
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what do you think?
ProfessorMembrane
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If the process does not in fact require organic activity then the process of obtaining Ethylene would be even cleaner and easier. You could sterilize a large number of ethylene rich materials & then place them in the same setup, the result would be the ethylene without other byproduct gasses produced by decomposition like methane.
eza82
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?? Not sure we could sterilize a banana peel or orange peel..... can we, and decomp is going to happen regardless i thought... its just to what degree, and considering we need it to decomp to release the c2h4?!
ProfessorMembrane
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He was claiming they would produce the gas without actual decomposition. A simple method for sterilization would be Pasteurization, heating the material in a 175 F oven for an hour or so in a thin layer.