Is it worth $50 to you?

[IslandGreenGuy]

well, you see a doc, if deemed worthy, you get it, you go to a med shop and buy your meds, all kinds, all prices, and you can grow 6 plants at a time, i think!

Could you grow them as large as you want? Six plants could net some huge gains if you vegged them for a long while outdoors and then moved them inside for the winter continuing to veg untill next spring when you put outside and let them due thier thing till fall.. TREES

 

[pepper88]

Could you grow them as large as you want? Six plants could net some huge gains if you vegged them for a long while outdoors and then moved them inside for the winter continuing to veg untill next spring when you put outside and let them due thier thing till fall.. TREES

under prop 215 i can have them as big or small as i want and its 6 plants in any stage(without roots) and 8 oz dryed at any time and carry it. I can smoke in front of a cop and they cant do shit. it cost me 130$ us the first year and 65$ us to renew it each year. but i get acces to a clinic to buy my weed at 15 -20 us depending on the strain.

 

[BCtrippin]

I know what your saying about them flooding the market with shit weed. I think Growing some dank as bud would be the only way to compete with that.

If the seed companys start Patenting thier genetics, then we would be in the shit...
Imagion getting into legal trouble for growing weed legally because someones claiming it's their strain. What are they gonna do, have forensics scientists test all our shit??
What a mess that would be.

It would be like Cigarettes or Alcohol. People will be patenting strains. BUT they really wont stop a lot of people from obtaining a strain and simply crossing it to make their own. They cant patent Everything, Only strains that they can prove that they created. Not all seed companies will be growing either, Im sure a few larger companies would get established and start buying out smaller companies and strain patents, kinda like how JTI-Macdonald and Imperial Tobacco own all the major cigarette brands.

Theres is always going to be the connoisseur market looking for that new top quality product or that new flavor.

Could you grow them as large as you want? Six plants could net some huge gains if you vegged them for a long while outdoors and then moved them inside for the winter continuing to veg untill next spring when you put outside and let them due thier thing till fall.. TREES

With every strain and style of grow being so different there is absolutely No way to regulate so there's no limit on how tall, or how much you plants weigh when wet or still growing. Dry weight is a different issue, You are still limited to a certain amount of dried herb.

Usually you will be allowed to have more indoor plants then outdoor plants though, just because outdoor plants always yield a Lot per plant.

 

[mindphuk]

I wanted to put forth the information that [SIZE=-1]Robert Connell Clarke put in his excellent book Marijuana Botany[/SIZE]

World politics also threaten Cannabis. Rural Cannabis farming cultures of the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Cen tral America and Mrica face political unrest and open aggression. Cannabis seeds cannot be stored forever. If they are not planted and reproduced each year a strain could be lost. Whales, big cats, and redwoods are all protected in preserves established by national and international laws. Plans must also be implemented to protect Cannabis cultures and rare strains from certain extinction.
Agribusiness is excited at the prospect of supplying America’s 20 million Cannabis users with domestically grown commercial marijuana. As a result, development of uniform patented hybrid strains by multinational agricultural firms is inevitable. The morality of plant patent laws has been challenged for years. For humans to recombine and then patent the genetic material of another living organism, especially at the expense of the original organism, certainly offends the moral sense of many concerned citizens. Does the slight recombination of a plant’s genetic material by a breeder give him the right to own that organism and its offspring? Despite public resistance voiced by conservation groups, the Plant Variety Protection Act of 1970 was passed and currently allows the patenting of 224 vegetable crops. New amendments could grant patent holders exclusive rights for 18 years to distribute, import, export and use for breeding purposes their newly developed strains. Similar conventions worldwide could further threaten genetic resources. Should patented varieties of Cannabis become reality it might be illegal to grow any strain other than a patented variety, especially for food or medicinal uses. Limitations could also be imposed such that only low THC strains would be patentable. This could lead to restrictions on small scale growing of Cannabis; commercial growers could not take the chance of stray pollinations from private plots harming a valuable seed crop. Proponents of plant patenting claim that patents will encourage the development of new varieties. In fact, patent laws encourage the spread of uniform strains devoid of the genetic diversity which allows improvements. Patent laws have also fostered intense competition between breeders and the suppression of research results which if made public could speed crop improvement. A handful of large corporations hold the vast majority of plant patents. These conditions will make it impossible for cultivators of native strains to compete with agribusiness and could lead to the further extinction of native strains now surviving on small farms in North America and Europe. Plant improvement in itself presents no threat to genetic reserves. However, the support and spread of improved strains by large corporations could prove disastrous.
Like most major crops, Cannabis originated outside North America in still primitive areas of the world. Thousands of years ago humans began to gather seeds from wild Cannabis and grow them in fields alongside the first cultivated food crops. Seeds from the best plants were saved for planting the following season. Cannabis was spread by nomadic tribes and by trade between cultures until it now appears in both cultivated and escaped forms in many nations. The pressures of human and natural selection have resulted in many distinct strains adapted to unique niches within the ecosystem. Thus, individual Cannabis strains possess unique gene pools containing great potential diversity. In this diversity lies the strength of genetic inheritance. From diverse gene pools breeders extract the desirable traits incorporated into new varieties. Nature also calls on the gene pool to ensure that a strain will survive. As climate changes and stronger pests and diseases appear, Cannabis evolves new adaptations and defenses.
Modern agriculture is already striving to change this natural system. When Cannabis is legalized, the breeding and marketing of improved varieties for commercial agriculture is certain. Most of the areas suitable for commercial Cannabis cultivation already harbor their own native strains. Improved strains with an adaptive edge will follow in the wake of commercial agriculture and replace rare native strains in foreign fields. Native strains will hybridize with introduced strains through windborne pollen dispersal and some genes will be squeezed from the gene pool.
Herein lies extreme danger! Since each strain of Cannabis is genetically unique and contains at least a few genes not found in other strains, if a strain becomes extinct the unique genes are lost forever. Should genetic weaknesses arise from excessive inbreeding of commercial strains, new varieties might not be resistant to a previously unrecognized environmental threat. A disease could spread rapidly and wipe out entire fields simultaneously. Widespread crop failure would result in great financial loss to the farmer and possible extinction of entire strains.
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[BCtrippin]

Plans must also be implemented to protect Cannabis cultures and rare strains from certain extinction.

This is so true. There's already strains that have gone extinct. And theres several Clone Only strains that can't be stored at all. If people stop growing them they are gone forever unless someone can trace the parents and recross them.

 

[mindphuk]

This is so true. There's already strains that have gone extinct. And theres several Clone Only strains that can't be stored at all. If people stop growing them they are gone forever unless someone can trace the parents and recross them.

Anyone that is interested in helping to preserve strains should own this book http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Botany-Propagation-Breeding-Distintive/dp/091417178X

BC, that is one of the main reasons he wrote this book, to teach how to preserve strains that are in danger of becoming extinct. This should be in every breeder's library.
Anyone can take a look at it here http://www.scribd.com/doc/9700900/Clarke-Robert-C-Marijuana-Botany-an-Advanced-Study for free. Even though he tries to speak in lay terms, it does get pretty science heavy and might be a difficult read but I think he does a good job of breaking everything down and explaining basic things. However, if you have any intention of breeding, you will have to learn most of this basic biology and genetics anyway.

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

I always save a few dozen seeds of any good strain I grow. I have these large barrels that i put into a friends garage, we put a male and female plant in their with a few CFLs and let them do there thing. It works alright to avoid getting the other pregnant.

 

[Brick Top]

It would be like Cigarettes or Alcohol. People will be patenting strains.

Actually you cannot get an actual patent on a natural thing like a plant even if it is your cross/hybrid. You can get a copyright for the name but that is all. All you can really protect is the name itself.

Several years ago I read where a number of pharmaceutical companies were buying the rights to a number of the biggest named strains/hybrids so if herb would become legalized they would have some degree of protection and control but it would only be a degree of protection and control.

 

[BCtrippin]

Actually you cannot get an actual patent on a natural thing like a plant even if it is your cross/hybrid. You can get a copyright for the name but that is all. All you can really protect is the name itself.

Several years ago I read where a number of pharmaceutical companies were buying the rights to a number of the biggest named strains/hybrids so if herb would become legalized they would have some degree of protection and control but it would only be a degree of protection and control.

This is true. There have been ways around it. Its amazing what money can do.
The oil companies patented a living thing just because they were microscopic and it appeared to look like any other cleaning liquid..
http://www.mindfully.org/GE/Diamond-v-Chakrabarty-16jun80.htm


They might not patent the seeds themselves, but genetics for new strains (what the parents were) and how they are growing the strains will become Very Very closely guarded secrets. People wont be giving out any info like that anymore.

 

[mindphuk]

Actually you cannot get an actual patent on a natural thing like a plant even if it is your cross/hybrid. You can get a copyright for the name but that is all. All you can really protect is the name itself.

Several years ago I read where a number of pharmaceutical companies were buying the rights to a number of the biggest named strains/hybrids so if herb would become legalized they would have some degree of protection and control but it would only be a degree of protection and control.

Did you even bother to read my post?
"The morality of plant patent laws has been challenged for years. For humans to recombine and then patent the genetic material of another living organism, especially at the expense of the original organism, certainly offends the moral sense of many concerned citizens. Does the slight recombination of a plant’s genetic material by a breeder give him the right to own that organism and its offspring? Despite public resistance voiced by conservation groups, the Plant Variety Protection Act of 1970 was passed and currently allows the patenting of 224 vegetable crops. New amendments could grant patent holders exclusive rights for 18 years to distribute, import, export and use for breeding purposes their newly developed strains."

 

[BCtrippin]

Did you even bother to read my post?
"The morality of plant patent laws has been challenged for years. For humans to recombine and then patent the genetic material of another living organism, especially at the expense of the original organism, certainly offends the moral sense of many concerned citizens. Does the slight recombination of a plant’s genetic material by a breeder give him the right to own that organism and its offspring? Despite public resistance voiced by conservation groups, the Plant Variety Protection Act of 1970 was passed and currently allows the patenting of 224 vegetable crops. New amendments could grant patent holders exclusive rights for 18 years to distribute, import, export and use for breeding purposes their newly developed strains."

Some excellent info.

Patents might not be the worst idea. When someone patents a certain strain or a seed they then become Responsible for that plant/seed and they become responsible to Ensure its survival (for profit or not at least its not extinct). Privately patented plants/seeds (if there ever will be such a thing ) are the Only plants that will be guaranteed to survive certain extinction.

 

[NYC Diesel]

no doubt ill spend over 50 dollars on illegal weed before the time its legalized, when i could be spending under 10 dollars for around an ounce if it was legalized!(or somewhere around that price) For me its hands down id spend 50 for sure

edit: i doubt my parents would approve, but fuck them!

 

[SpruceZeus]

no doubt ill spend over 50 dollars on illegal weed before the time its legalized, when i could be spending under 10 dollars for around an ounce if it was legalized!(or somewhere around that price) For me its hands down id spend 50 for sure

You're fooling yourself. If legalized marijuana will be taxed all to hell. Sure it may cost less than $10 for a large company to produce an ounce of weed. But it costs cigarette companies like 10 cents to make a pack of smokes, and i dont know about where you live, but it costs a buttload more than that for cigs 'round here.

 

[BCtrippin]

You're fooling yourself. If legalized marijuana will be taxed all to hell. Sure it may cost less than $10 for a large company to produce an ounce of weed. But it costs cigarette companies like 10 cents to make a pack of smokes, and i dont know about where you live, but it costs a buttload more than that for cigs 'round here.

Either way weed will be much cheaper then it is now if legalized.

 

[closetkiller]

it is well worth the $50, if the plan is good and there is plenty of support. it would help the economy. increased taxes, no more war on weed= 100 million in wasted funds. less people in jail= millions more. its worth $50 to a lot of non smokers as well.

 

[BCtrippin]

it is well worth the $50, if the plan is good and there is plenty of support. it would help the economy. increased taxes, no more war on weed= 100 million in wasted funds. less people in jail= millions more. its worth $50 to a lot of non smokers as well.

This is true. Its time to stop the false knowledge and get the Truth about marijuana out there.

 

[Jash1297]

I am fully supportive of the idea to legalize weed. Would I donate $50...possibly. A clear plan and mission statement would need to be made available to all investors. How far along are you with your cause? If help is needed pm me sometime I am currently starting a NORML chapter in my area and would gladly help with a cause such as this.

 

[BCtrippin]

I am fully supportive of the idea to legalize weed. Would I donate $50...possibly. A clear plan and mission statement would need to be made available to all investors. How far along are you with your cause? If help is needed pm me sometime I am currently starting a NORML chapter in my area and would gladly help with a cause such as this.

I dont think Any of us would donate with out a very clear, and well thought out plan that might actually work. RT76 the OP is planning on getting support from all the major Pot groups, Including NORML.

Once the plan has support from some of the existing organizations it will definitely be much easier to rally support from all the skeptics out there. That includes me. I wont donate a Dime unless I believe it could work .

 

[NYC Diesel]

Its not jsut about the money. Well it kind of is, but not about our money. The jails also will be able to let out people convicted for marijuana, and let in real criminals. The tobacco companies will not be as high and powerful anymore, which is a good thing for everybody. Less alcohol related deaths will happen because many of those damn alcohol addicts will switch to the now legal marijuana. Marijuana hemp can be used in paper and other products that use wood, ultimately resulting in less trees being cut down(think how much one tree could grow in relativity to a marijuana plant in ten years. Considering the marijuana plants never died, the result could be plants up to 80 feet tall!)hemp seeds are very nutritious, and are also very edible
And honestly, would you rather smoke a marlboro cig or a marijuana joint?

The unfortunate thing is that all the companies that uprising marijuana companies would push aside, are the main part of the push to keep marijuana illegal- they dont want to lose business!

Its time for a change

 

[closetkiller]

I dont think Any of us would donate with out a very clear, and well thought out plan that might actually work. RT76 the OP is planning on getting support from all the major Pot groups, Including NORML.

Once the plan has support from some of the existing organizations it will definitely be much easier to rally support from all the skeptics out there. That includes me. I wont donate a Dime unless I believe it could work .

i am with you. i could get at least 100 people to help out, if it seemed at all possible. good luck i will be watching for it to happen