misshestermoffitt
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Did you hear about the nearly complete skeleton of a mammoth that was found in LA? Pretty exciting find........
Intelligent design
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CrackerJax
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I think folks sometimes get confused about evolution because they think nature is working towards perfection. This does not seem to be the case. Nature makes do with average performance. I can see why a a person might be uncomfortable with knowing that perfection is not where we are headed.
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misshestermoffitt
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Nature isn't about perfection, nature is about survival. Nature give us the tools to survive. Nature isn't about comfort either.
Jointsmith
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The Great thing about Science is that it doesn't claim to have all the answers, it leaves infinate possiblities about what exists and can exist because we know that there will be future discoveries and our understanding will increase even further.
CrackerJax
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Bingo, Science always welcomes a challenge for someone to come along with a better idea.
Until it fails, and then you can't get grants anymore and you end up in a dust bin closet at a community college....
BANISHED!!! (jk)
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Until it fails, and then you can't get grants anymore and you end up in a dust bin closet at a community college....
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Jointsmith
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Perfection is a Myth, how do you even define it?I think folks sometimes get confused about evolution because they think nature is working towards perfection. This does not seem to be the case. Nature makes do with average performance. I can see why a a person might be uncomfortable with knowing that perfection is not where we are headed.
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Perfection is very subjective.
CrackerJax
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Man makes EVERYTHING subjective. We're the only ones here.
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mindphuk
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Not only does science not have all of the answers, each time we answer something, a new question appears.
We love new questions and puzzles about the nature of the universe. It's what gives us pleasure is to seek out those answers.
For quite some time, we thought that gravity would eventually halt the expansion of the universe and then reverse to what we called, the Big Crunch. In 1998, it was discovered not only that our universe is still in the expansion stage but actually accelerating. With the known amount of mass in the universe, this shouldn't be happening. So we have a mysterious culprit that we call black energy.
No what knows what black energy is or how it does what it does. It is still a complete mystery. This is one of the most exciting field of cosmology right now. Astronomers and physicists love the new challenge. They aren't bemoaning the fact they don't know what kind of energy is there that can continue to drive the expansion of the universe, but there is evidence for it's existence.
Take the same information and give it to a creationist and instead of investigating and proposing multiple hypotheses, they most likely will attribute it to god and just stop there (because god is such a convenient answer for so many things but of course it is always a dead-end). I have heard some of them complain about the search for the Higgs boson, the so-called God Particle, absurd.
TeaTreeOil
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I define gods as perfect and categorically dismiss them as well.
medicineman
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At this point in time, "God" is an abstract Idea, one coveted by theists, and disdained by atheists. When the true nature of "God" will be revealed is anyones guess. Some say never, he/it doesn't exist, and others say anytime now the saviour is coming back. I look at it this way. What harm does it do to believe in a God. Now there are extremests that think their God is the only God and they are willing to kill or die for him/it. I think they are absolutely crazy beyond belief. Killing for an abstract Idea is insane. I give them their God and let them enjoy. Just don't want to kill me because you think my God is different. If there is a God, then he/it is everyones God, if not, then all the hype is not worth killing anyone over it.
CrackerJax
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If one just looks around it is clear that the universe is not of intelligent design at all. Just look at us!! 
Who would set up such a mean spirited scenario and call it intelligent?
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TeaTreeOil
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I see gods in all shapes and forms as detrimental to society and the advancement of our species, technology, and humanity itself. That is: most religions promote dehumanization.
hom36rown
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Just look at what beliveing in god has done to TBT. HE just shuta his eyes and plugs his ears to all the evidence, and says, NO PROOF NO PROOF!. If it were up to him, evolution wouldnt even be taught in school. NOw how fucked up would the world be if more people thought like this.
CrackerJax
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mindphuk
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Disdain is quite a strong word for having no belief in something.
Do you have disdain for Zeus, Odin, Zoroaster? You are most likely hold an atheistic view about those gods, an true atheist just adds one additional god to the list they don't think exist, the one you believe exists.
Most Atheists ascribe to the philosophy of weak atheism, which is merely the lack of belief in a deity due to lack of evidence. Most don't give the idea of god a second thought let alone have disdain for the idea. Now, there is a vocal minority that believe faith and belief in god is bad for mankind because it keeps us from progress.
medicineman
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God does not equal religion. Religion is mans interpretation of Gods wisdom. Sometimes it gets a bit twisted and just plain fucked up. To say religion represents God is really disrespecting of God. Even if there were no God, man would invent one. Some believe that is exactly what has happened. others, like myself, reserve judgement. I'm playing it safe, just in case there is. I have had some personal insight which allows me to believe. Others aren't so lucky.
CrackerJax
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Sometimes? let's try EVERYTIME...
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medicineman
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I agree, I use it often.
TeaTreeOil
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Feel free to replace religion in my post with god-related-dogma.