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laserbrn

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ive been led to believe that its prime time to harvest when trichomes are 50% clear 50% amber (thru a magnifier ofcourse) is this what u look for? if not whats ur method my fried?? hope u dont mind sharing ur techniques and knowlage!!
I don't mind, that's why I'm here. That is the generally accepted method. I personally harvest when I have about 20% amber as the amber is really the THC degrading. I wait until about 20% amber so that I can be certain there are no more clear trichs and that's really the only thing you want. No clear trichs and not too many amber unless you like a really narcotic smoke that will knock you on your ass. Then wait until it's a little more amber.
 

taffo143

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lost u there a bit, so 20% amber, NOT CLEAR so wot colour r ya looking the rest of the tricks to be??? i understand that if left to long the thc starts to degenerate and the high isnt as good!!

i dont want my bud to knock me on my arse i want a nice mellow light head, not on ur arse to intence if u get me man.??
wot is the other colour i look for??
 

laserbrn

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lost u there a bit, so 20% amber, NOT CLEAR so wot colour r ya looking the rest of the tricks to be??? i understand that if left to long the thc starts to degenerate and the high isnt as good!!

i dont want my bud to knock me on my arse i want a nice mellow light head, not on ur arse to intence if u get me man.??
wot is the other colour i look for??

The trichs progress from clear to cloudy to amber.

Clear should be though of as empty

Cloudy is filled with THC

Amber is filled with THC that is degrading and converting to CBN/CBD (the knock you on your ass, netflix night, stuff)

So you don't want clear trichs, they are empty.

You don't want all amber trichs, they are full of CBD

I like to have just enough amber to be sure there aren't any clears left...I'd rather have a little couch lock then lose potency overall.

So I would say you are like me and want the headier high, so pretty much when you don't see clear ones anymore and some are turning amber...chop chop
 

taffo143

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thats a great reply +rep for ur help there, were can i get a scope and how much will it set me back?? start checkin them on 6th 7th week?????
 

taffo143

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p.s wot? cbn cbd? cannabinoids is that wot ur on bout there, please clear this up for me coz me n a mate argued bout this 1, i wanna kno what gives u the pleasant high feeling and wot gives u the hard stoned coutch feeling, my theory was that thc makes u high and the cannabinoids get u proper coutched? is that right or not?? sorry for the bombarment of questions!! plus im not illiterate just realy lazy spelling lol
 

laserbrn

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p.s wot? cbn cbd? cannabinoids is that wot ur on bout there, please clear this up for me coz me n a mate argued bout this 1, i wanna kno what gives u the pleasant high feeling and wot gives u the hard stoned coutch feeling, my theory was that thc makes u high and the cannabinoids get u proper coutched? is that right or not?? sorry for the bombarment of questions!! plus im not illiterate just realy lazy spelling lol
All of the "interesting" compounds found in cannabis are called cannabinoids.

The main Cannabinoids that affect us are:

THC - D9 (Delta 9) Tetrahydrocannabinol - is the chemical that gets you "high". There is also D8 THC, but it's in such small amounts that generally we just worry about D9 THC which is abundant and strong.

CBD - Cannabidiol - has a sedative effect and makes you tired...very narcotic feeling - Found in higher amounts in Indica strains and less in Sativa's hence the difference.

CBN - Cannabinol - This is produced has THX oxidizes or degrades. CBN will make you feel disoriented or sleepy/groggy. This is basically caused by the THC degrading into CBN and you don't want this shit in your bud. At best CBN contains 10% of the psychoactive potency as the original THC.

So we want to avoid CBN as much as possible by harvesting early enough, but no so early that the plant hasn't yet developed all of the THC that it can.
 

taffo143

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once again thanx for reply!! u do kno ur stuff!! im deffo going for the 20% amber as i want a clear high not a coutchy 1. were can i get a scope from? ebey?
 

taffo143

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p.s plz take a look at the link in the post below and give ur opinion ide like to read wot u gotta say bout flushing at harvest time, the link is in a fiew posts down, thanx
 

laserbrn

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p.s plz take a look at the link in the post below and give ur opinion ide like to read wot u gotta say bout flushing at harvest time, the link is in a fiew posts down, thanx
The scopes can be acquired online or if you have a Radio Shack near you that will work.

You need about 100x to see the trichs clearly. I'll check out your link now...
 

user192021

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Pulled a few more yellow leaves w/ brown spots off the plant again today. The soil is still pretty saturated from the flush so no need to water yet. I took a look at the back of the FF Tiger Bloom container and realized that it calls for 2-3 tsps per gallon of water - like an idiot I've just been using 1 tsp per gallon because that's what the FF Grow Big nutes called for and I assumed the dosage would be the same.

Anyway, I mixed 2 1/2 tsps of the bloom nutes w/ a gallon of water, checked the pH - pretty acidic, added a drop of pH up, brought it to 6-6.5, so I'll use that when I water and hopefully the leaves will stop going yellow. :)
 

laserbrn

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Pulled a few more yellow leaves w/ brown spots off the plant again today. The soil is still pretty saturated from the flush so no need to water yet. I took a look at the back of the FF Tiger Bloom container and realized that it calls for 2-3 tsps per gallon of water - like an idiot I've just been using 1 tsp per gallon because that's what the FF Grow Big nutes called for and I assumed the dosage would be the same.

Anyway, I mixed 2 1/2 tsps of the bloom nutes w/ a gallon of water, checked the pH - pretty acidic, added a drop of pH up, brought it to 6-6.5, so I'll use that when I water and hopefully the leaves will stop going yellow. :)
Nice. Good catch. Funny how "let it go" is the answer around here, but now we've found you aren't using the full strength on the nutes and your ph was toxic.

If you were at 1 tsp/gallon, I would water with 1 1/2tsp/gallon, then 2, then 2 1/2...just to avoid nute burn from the additional salt they will need to get used to.

Just my advice, I always increment it up.
 

taffo143

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i disagree with that tho, even if u were using no neuts ur leaves wouldnt always turn yellow, some people only use 1/4 strength of reccomended dose all way thru!! ur ph should be 6.5-6.8 for soil to digest all neuts, i dnt think its the amount of nutes u been using more of a ph problem!! although talking bout neuts i always work up to full strength, but like our friend mentioned here to build it up very slowly to give the plants time to adapt!! cool man
 

laserbrn

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i disagree with that tho, even if u were using no neuts ur leaves wouldnt always turn yellow, some people only use 1/4 strength of reccomended dose all way thru!! ur ph should be 6.5-6.8 for soil to digest all neuts, i dnt think its the amount of nutes u been using more of a ph problem!! although talking bout neuts i always work up to full strength, but like our friend mentioned here to build it up very slowly to give the plants time to adapt!! cool man
I agree the nutes weren't the cause of the problem, that was just a good catch! you don't want to flower plants with less nutes than possible. Feed aggressively! We want to grow bud here, the more the better!
 

taffo143

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p.s I AM FAR FROM A PRO,so my replies are only wot ive learnt and may be off a little or even a mile off lol, but its what i believe to be true!! thanx
 

user192021

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Day 31 of 12/12, 2 days after flush, here are some new pics. Still losing a ton of leaves. Soil is still saturated from the flush, so I'll hold off on watering.

 

jayrock32580

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Are you still using mollases? Bring your ph up to 6.8 for a while, get your runoff to 6.8 as well. According to what I have read and experienced when you have a nute problem if you bring it to 6.8 and use 50% nutes things clear out. In your case though you need some dolomite lime to increase the ph of your soil. It has to be raised. Ph is what your problem is. Either fluctuated to much or caused some lockouts. Lasrbrn sounds more knowledgeable than myself, but it does seem like a calcium or magnesium problem as well. You have the brown spots, the uneven yellowing, I can't feel them but i bet those leaves are so dry they crumble in your hand.
 

laserbrn

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Are you still using mollases? Bring your ph up to 6.8 for a while, get your runoff to 6.8 as well. According to what I have read and experienced when you have a nute problem if you bring it to 6.8 and use 50% nutes things clear out. In your case though you need some dolomite lime to increase the ph of your soil. It has to be raised. Ph is what your problem is. Either fluctuated to much or caused some lockouts. Lasrbrn sounds more knowledgeable than myself, but it does seem like a calcium or magnesium problem as well. You have the brown spots, the uneven yellowing, I can't feel them but i bet those leaves are so dry they crumble in your hand.
These picturese look like your PH plummeted. He's right, you need to test that runoff and get your ph up. They look good, and you're almost done so nothing drastic needs to be done at this point, but you should try to get it back in line.
 

jayrock32580

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I also recommend even though it is expensive get you a good ph pen. Dont cheap out on it. Your yield will be better, plants look better, everything.
 
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