ya its soil. i may just try transplanting even though it may set her back.will flush before i do it maybe. or after. who knows
nitrogen def?
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hearmenow
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Don't lose heart. You can save her. Flush - that will removes any salt buildups that might be causing nute lock out. I'd flush her today (or next earliest possible time), wait 2 days and flush again, unless you see improvement before then. If after flushing twice and reintroducing nutes you see no change, then transplant. This whole process should take about a week before you have to transplant. Good luck, man.
AzGrOw-N-sMoKe
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even if you take care of this problem now..if the true cause is the nute solution your just gonna do it again in a few weeks..
babygro
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Hempie, replanting and flushing at this stage should be last resorts. How sure are you it's salt buildup that's causing nutrient lockout? I haven't seen you mention anywhere what type of soil you're using, how long it's been in its current pot or what dose and NPK levels of nutrients you've been using. Your plant doesn't have salt buildup symptoms, and Nitrogen rarely gets locked out. It gets depleted from the soil quickly and it gets leached and washed out of the soil by constant plain waterings, but it rarely get's locked out.
I rarely recommend anyone flush their plants, it can cause more damage than it cures because you're effectively over-watering them. Along with the salt buildup you'll also leach out most of the other nutrients in the soil as well.
Just because you've fed it three times in a row doesn't automatically mean that isn't working - are you using bloom nutrient? If so, that has lowered N values.
The key here is understanding what the causes are, it's Nitrogen deficient, I'm pretty sure about that, and that could simply mean you've not fed it enough of the right balance of nutrient solution, without knowing what you've done its hard to say.
Repotting into a fresh soil and nutrient set is a very good way of curing many nutrient deficiencies, because you're effectively discarding the old nutrient depleted soil and giving it a fresh set to feed from, but repotting in flowering after about the end of week 3 can stress and retard flowering, and personally I don't recommend people do it, and you could still lose your fan leaves. That's something you need to consider.
Far better to work out what the problem is and solve it, than use a blunderbuss scattergun approach and hope that something you do cures the problem.
As kp hinted at and I agree with her, I rather suspect that you're simply not giving it sufficient quantities of Nitrogen in your feed, but as I've said, not knowing what you're doing and have done it's impossible to say.
this is last resort because if i dont do something soon it will die.i bought a bigger pot and more soil so if its root bind the issue will be fixed when i transplant her.i can barely scratch through the soil without hitting roots so i wouldn't be surprised if it is the problem. if its salt build up which i doubt transplanting will also fiix it when i flush it and since its new soil there wont be a problem. blah blah blah etc. the ferts i use is 15n which is more than enough. the new soil is organic and is high in N. so i think all the bases are covered.
kindprincess
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hempie, i've told you and told you.... patience is the key to a good grow 
your plants need food, much more than you've been giving them. don't be afraid to feed your plants! a good way to look at it is most growers schedules are something like, "feed, feed, water, feed, feed, water"... this is an example only, i don't mean that this is EXACTLY what you should do...
but, by not feeding until you see probs, you're causing yourself more headaches than needed. your leaves will not improve, you need to watch the growth of new leaves (that come out of the buds themselves). this will give you a good idea whether or not your nutes are treating the problems.
don't repot, please, listen to me; you don't need to, your plant should not bound (in a 4g?). just keep feeding, and don't stop when you think it's better. you can't live without food, and neither can she.
love, kp
your plants need food, much more than you've been giving them. don't be afraid to feed your plants! a good way to look at it is most growers schedules are something like, "feed, feed, water, feed, feed, water"... this is an example only, i don't mean that this is EXACTLY what you should do...
but, by not feeding until you see probs, you're causing yourself more headaches than needed. your leaves will not improve, you need to watch the growth of new leaves (that come out of the buds themselves). this will give you a good idea whether or not your nutes are treating the problems.
don't repot, please, listen to me; you don't need to, your plant should not bound (in a 4g?). just keep feeding, and don't stop when you think it's better. you can't live without food, and neither can she.
love, kp
kindprincess
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ok, i'm the lucky one; i have hempies pix. here they are...
love, kp
love, kp
go read the rest. ive given and given and given it nitrogen but it hasn't fixed it. maybe ill tinkle on it
AzGrOw-N-sMoKe
New Member
so far i have seen..n def..mag def...root/soil lock....all of these could be the problem or non at all...but we know its not root bind...
TheConstantGardner
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It's a soil grow. pH isn't likely to be an issue. If you don't believe me, check the pH of your water before watering and the drainage pH. The soil will be your buffer. If you see a radical difference, you've proved me wrong.
You've given sufficient nitrogen and it still hasn't responded. The leaves are not going to miraculously heal themselves. Is the problem progressing upward through the plant?
Put it in a bigger pot if you think that is the problem. If it is root bound you will know it the instant you start to remove it from the planter. If not, you'll also immediately know it. Loose soil means it still has room to grow.
The uniform yellowing indicates that the plant is not able to uptake enough nitrogen whether because it's not available or because it can't utilize what is available.
Address issues one at a time through your adjustments. You'll discover the issue soon enough. Even if you don't discover the problem, you'll still harvest bud. The last 3 weeks of my last grow I didn't even have any major fan leaves and the buds still produced and ripened. I didn't address my N or Mg deficiencies through half of my flowering phase and I still managed 1 oz. per plant (flowered at 12" with CFLs). I also had many other issues such as compacted soil (my roots only managed to extend through a 16 oz cup size ball).
Good luck! I only recommend pissing on problems that involve people. Plants don't respond well to this stimuli!
You've given sufficient nitrogen and it still hasn't responded. The leaves are not going to miraculously heal themselves. Is the problem progressing upward through the plant?
Put it in a bigger pot if you think that is the problem. If it is root bound you will know it the instant you start to remove it from the planter. If not, you'll also immediately know it. Loose soil means it still has room to grow.
The uniform yellowing indicates that the plant is not able to uptake enough nitrogen whether because it's not available or because it can't utilize what is available.
Address issues one at a time through your adjustments. You'll discover the issue soon enough. Even if you don't discover the problem, you'll still harvest bud. The last 3 weeks of my last grow I didn't even have any major fan leaves and the buds still produced and ripened. I didn't address my N or Mg deficiencies through half of my flowering phase and I still managed 1 oz. per plant (flowered at 12" with CFLs). I also had many other issues such as compacted soil (my roots only managed to extend through a 16 oz cup size ball).
Good luck! I only recommend pissing on problems that involve people. Plants don't respond well to this stimuli!
kindprincess
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hempie, one thing to think about is that the roots grow outward, hit the side of the pot, and grow downward. this is why people usually start in small pots, and transplant several times; it gives a good root ball (i bet if you were to chop into the dirt on yours, the center of the root ball would be relatively devoid of roots...).
you started your plant in the 4g, right? i think that's why you would have a root problem. did you happen to take pix of the rootstock?
the largest pots i use for soil plants is a 3g.
kp
you started your plant in the 4g, right? i think that's why you would have a root problem. did you happen to take pix of the rootstock?
the largest pots i use for soil plants is a 3g.
kp
batteries were dead. i tried.
babygro
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Absolutely right. The symptoms he's experiencing are very consistent with an under-developed root ball. Which means his rootmass is insufficient to supply the high Nitrogen demands of the plant - the opposite to being root bound.
The largest pots I use are 6.5 Litres which is about 1.5-2 gallons and none of my plants have ever been root bound.