a trillion dollar tax increase on the rich.

[max420thc]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_XNvdxZ6vtk&refer=home

i remember when i used to laugh at the stupidity sometimes.of the clinton admin.
obama is going to be even funnier to watch.

 

[snyder007]

I personally see nothing wrong with this. If you have the kind of money these 2.6 whatever million people do so what if they cant afford their fifth personal jet. They are more rich then you could ever possibly imagine.

 

[max420thc]

instead of the money those people would invest into the economy they are now either going to ride out of the economy with it .or give it all to uncle sugar to invest into the economy.
money knows no boundrys liberal.
if another country charges 11% capital gains on investment money .that is where those rich people are going to do bussiness.instead of paying 30% tax or more in the american economy.they are not going to let uncle sugar steal from them.
what happens from this is the investment money that drives your economy dries up .and so does your job market and your economy.
china still has a real growth rate of 5% and they dont fuck people who invest into their economy with all the stupid bull shit this government does.
what a switch.china has turned into a capitalist society and we are turning into communists.
do you know what happens to investors who have money in stock of a bank and the government nationalizes that bank>?
they LOSE THEIR FUCKING MONEY.
why would i .knowing this invest into a bank>?
obongo has already bankrupted your country and most of you fools are too dumb to know it yet..it took him all of a month.LOL
that has to be a record.even carter wasnt that bad.
as a matter of fact as much as the government is fucking up the economy and running as fast as they can toward comminism .why would i invest into ANY company in that country?
dont you know what happened when HUGO CHAVEZ took over? how about castro?
damn you liberals are stupid.
not only stupid but you are fucked and to stupid to know it.

 

[snyder007]

Why are you insulting me? What have I ever done to you?

Now back on point. If those companies wanted to leave then they would have already. Tax rates before the hike were only 3-6 percentage points lower. Instead of 36% they were 30%. So I don't really see your logic.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

Those people aren't spending that much money, they don't stimulate the ecomony by that much, they can afford the extra taxes, hell they'll never even miss it.

I know a person making less than 100K per year is going to feel a lot harder blow from a tax increase than someone who's making a million per year. So they might have to downsize, boo freaking hoo.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

I personally see nothing wrong with this. If you have the kind of money these 2.6 whatever million people do so what if they cant afford their fifth personal jet. They are more rich then you could ever possibly imagine.

$250,000/year is not enough to afford a personal jet. These people already pay more than their fair share, and now they are being forced to pay more by the likes of imbeciles like Obama while imbeciles like you just sit and watch.

These people are the one's that drive our economy. The one's that provide jobs by creating businesses, taking risks, and pursing their dreams. These are the people that actually provided electricity, airplanes, and many of the modern conveniences.

They are people like Henry Ford, who went from being a poor mechanically inclined Farmer to an auto-magnate. Most of these people are not people like the CEOs of the Fortune 500, or the executives. Most of them are people that bust their asses day in and day out trying to keep up with the normal ebb and flow of business.

They are people that chose to sacrifice themselves building a company from the ground up, and thus benefited society more than they benefited themselves.

Obama's targeting of "success" is really the targeting of Hard Work, Perseverance, Dedication, Knowledge, Drive, Ambition, Focus, and all things American. Your inability to understand this, proves that you are an idiot, and thus deserve to be insulted.

 

[sb101]

jesus guy are you one of the brainwashed masses.

it is not someone's right to make that much money, look at the data on how middle class has stagnated while the rich keep getting richer. it's because the rich have the power and the influence.

Obama isn't targeting hard work and perserverence, have you ever experienced nepotism in the workplace? i'm not sure you know but not everyone that lives in the top 1% has worked hard or deserves that money.

building a company from the groundup does not usually put you in the top 1%, but the middle class. these large corporations that have all the rights of individuals....

fuck there are a lot of brainwashed individuals up in this.

and what the fuck. can't you guys just admit you were wrong on Bush and that these past 8 years would have been a lot better if he hadn't taken the presidency?? Instead you just bash and bash and bash when we wouldn't be in nearly as bad a position if we hadn't gone into Iraq...fiscal conservatives my ass!

you are the idiot, sir, and whatever retort you may have I know you have little/no understanding of fairness, equality, equity...fucking over half of this planet lives on less than $2 a day! you think that is because they don't work hard enough or because the rich and their multinationals use their power to steal and rob? it's a fucked world we live in, and if you can't understand a tax hike on the top 1% to help sustain our overly consumptive lifestyles you are fucked in the head.

ignorant fucks...

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

jesus guy are you one of the brainwashed masses.

Strange, from my experience most the brain washed masses are idiotic socialists like you.

it is not someone's right to make that much money, look at the data on how middle class has stagnated while the rich keep getting richer. it's because the rich have the power and the influence.

$250,000 a year is not that much money. And in the case of people like Bill Gates the amount of money that they give back by forming private charities and foundations outweighs the benefit of taxing them.

Hell, even Andrew Carnegie used most of his wealth (once had had gotten it) building public libraries and encouraging the arts. Hardly the kind of evil thing you'd expect some one like him to do.

Of course, you're probably some inbred hick from California who has his aunt's cock shoved up his ass daily. How's life in West Hollywood?

Obama isn't targeting hard work and perserverence, have you ever experienced nepotism in the workplace? i'm not sure you know but not everyone that lives in the top 1% has worked hard or deserves that money.

Yes, he is targeting hardwork and perseverence. Either immediate efforts of past efforts. If some one's grandfather or father built a company up from the ground, then it is not morally, or ethically correct to demand that they have their share of that company stolen from them.

As far as nepotism. Who cares? It's the FUCKING OWNER'S COMPANY YOU IGNORANT FUCK, and since it's the owner's company they should be able to run it HOW THEY FUCKING WANT.

building a company from the groundup does not usually put you in the top 1%, but the middle class. these large corporations that have all the rights of individuals....

I don't know what companies you've seen, but once a company goes from being a one person proprietorship it moves from going to being a small firm to a large firm relatively quickly.

Perhaps you aren't familiar with the last 40 fucking years of history where small one person shops have become giant corporations.

Apple
Microsoft - The Corporation that's created the most millionaires in the United States by allowing the to INVEST in that company, and these weren't family members of Gates and the other founders, but employees that started with the company
Dell

About the only class of people I think shouldn't be allowed to be millionaires are bureaucrats, lawyers and politicians. I'd be tempted to include idiots like you in that category, but idiots like you don't become millionaires.


fuck there are a lot of brainwashed individuals up in this.



and what the fuck. can't you guys just admit you were wrong on Bush and that these past 8 years would have been a lot better if he hadn't taken the presidency?? Instead you just bash and bash and bash when we wouldn't be in nearly as bad a position if we hadn't gone into Iraq...fiscal conservatives my ass!

WTF does BUSH have to do with anything? What the fuck does Iraq have to do with the economy.

Do you people have any capability of forming rational, logical thoughts? Did you ever try doing those little puzzles designed for children WHERE YOU CONNECT THE FUCKING DOTS? Because right now, you are demonstrating an amazing ability to connect them in illogical, irrational ways.

And what does Bush have to do with how any proprietor chooses to run their own business?

you are the idiot, sir, and whatever retort you may have I know you have little/no understanding of fairness, equality, equity...fucking over half of this planet lives on less than $2 a day! you think that is because they don't work hard enough or because the rich and their multinationals use their power to steal and rob? it's a fucked world we live in, and if you can't understand a tax hike on the top 1% to help sustain our overly consumptive lifestyles you are fucked in the head.

Fairness, you're talking to me about fairness while running your mouth off about how people who build their own companies shouldn't be allowed to run them how they wish.

Equality, WTF? If you want to bitch about equality, why don't you try paying my tax bill on your income, and see how well you can accomplish that you gutless, spineless societal parasite.

and if you can't understand a tax hike on the top 1% to help sustain our overly consumptive lifestyles you are fucked in the head.

I think that takes the fucking cake.

ignorant fucks...

Is that what you did to your brain, beat it out against a concrete wall, because your arguments are stupid, inane, illogical, disjointed, and show a lack of understanding of economic reality.

Ignorant Fuck, yeah, that describes you all right.

Keep on throwing what you think of yourself out there, makes it so much easier to understand you.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

Well TBT, if the "rich" want to pay less taxes, maybe they should support NORML and get marijuana legalized to help with the tax burden. Instead, it's their corporations that are keeping weed illegal with their lobby money.

Sometimes things just come around and bite you in the ass, that's the beauty of America.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Well TBT, if the "rich" want to pay less taxes, maybe they should support NORML and get marijuana legalized to help with the tax burden. Instead, it's their corporations that are keeping weed illegal with their lobby money.

Sometimes things just come around and bite you in the ass, that's the beauty of America.

Oh yeah, and that all would have happened with out the same kind of overarching Socialist Democrat government that we're getting stuck with now.

Strange, if anything I'd say that it proves my arguments against government interference in the lives of citizens. With out a government to enable them corporations have very little power to enforce their wishes on the public.

 

[max420thc]

uh..how about if the rich dont want to pay tax they take their money someplace else.
LOL..and your job with them
how do you like those apples>?
who died and made any of you king? to include obama
a mans talent makes him what he is worth.just ask payton manning
and he doesnt even run one company.employee one single human being.helps support no one and their children .
small bussiness employee 80% of this countrys work force.
obongo and the democrats are going to take them by the neck and squezze untill there is no life left in them.im sure you are going to be wondering why all these bussiness are closing up.im sure you are going to be wondering why there are no jobs left too.it is no longer worth it to work running your own bussiness.all you are doing is supporting dead beats .and working your ass off to do it.why would you want to work 80 hours a week to get ahead to have it all stole from you .and given to someone who does not work for it?i am also including the incompetent dead beats on wall street that have been giving these politicians money through lobbiests .to get guvment contracts.the non working and the uber bankers have killed this country with the help of their payed off politicians.the man who has worked every day is the one who has built this country.not the free loader.not the fucking federal reserve stealing from people.without the small bussiness man this country is doomed.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

Where are they going to go? No matter where you live, someone wants some tax dollars from you. Being a wealthy American in another country isn't the smartest thing to do right now either, better to pay taxes than be beheaded somewhere by a terrorist.

 

[snyder007]

So your stating that of the 2.8 million or so people that this tax is going to effect that they are all 80% of small business owners? I think your math is slightly off.

 

[max420thc]

damn..there are all kinds of country that love americans and american dollars.
costa rica comes to mind right off the bat.the caymen islands the virgin islands.tailand.veitnam sounds nice these days actualy.
the phillipeans.indonesia.i think costa rica and vietnam for me are the two places i have been looking into for retirement.with a prefference for vietnam right now.

 

[max420thc]

you ever heard of a off shore account?LOL.wow
they are very easy to set up too.
almost every accountant worth his salt in this country is advising anyone with two nickles to rub together to set up a off shore account.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

So your stating that of the 2.8 million or so people that this tax is going to effect that they are all 80% of small business owners? I think your math is slightly off.

500 Fortune 500s, at 20 executives each, that's 10,000

Call it another 500,000, or 600,000 lawyers that fit into that bracket, that's 610,000, which is less than 25%. So yeah, I'd say 80% is a good solid number, even if 30% of that number consists of investors who retired, or retirees who saved up over the course of their life to be able to have that kind of investment income.

Besides, there's a much simpler reason for opposing all of this. It's none of my fucking business how much some one else is making, except in the case of the bank executives who have my tax dollars, and thus need to be answerable to me.

Though not to you, because I have reason to doubt that you actually pay a net amount into the system.

Damn Societal Parasites, why can't we just get stuck with Intestinal Parasites, at least they don't talk to you about how their infecting you is going to "help" you.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

you ever heard of a off shore account?LOL.wow
they are very easy to set up too.
almost every accountant worth his salt in this country is advising anyone with two nickles to rub together to set up a off shore account.

Oh, I suppose I should get around to this while I'm thinking about it.

Turns out you were right about there being a genetic component to IQ.

Which actually leads me up to another unrelated point. If Liberals believe in Evolution, and Survival of the Fittest, why do they insist on adhering to an economic belief that does not allow for Evolution?

Now, with their failure to adhere to their own beliefs, how do they expect any one to take them seriously when they portend that humanity is nothing more than self-conscious animals? (Which is something that liberals prove, and Conservative disprove through out their lives.)

 

[max420thc]

unfortunately i can show you familys with 6 and 8 kids in them.and not one of them with a brain one in their head.i know you have seen them at the grocery store .from time to time.
the whole family will be idiots.go about the first of the month you will see piles of them .go to the poor side of town.
you will have some 300 lb beast draging a row of lard ass kids up the store isle buy half the store out and pay for it all with food stamps.
in the old days when survival of the fittest ruled the day.these people would not be able to survive.they would not have been smart enough nor industrious enough to feed themselfs there for dieing out.now we subsidize them.you know what happens when you subsidize something dont you.i know you do.but i have to say it anyway..you get more of it.
as of this time .i believe the idiots of this country have out bred people of intelligence.and the scary thing is not only do they vote.but they have figured out how to cheat the vote.
it is estimated that 45% of the population now derives their income from the local state or federal government.
it is going to collapse under its own weight .there is no way it can survive its debt now.the chinese have even stoped loaning this country money.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

and yet big business shipped all the jobs off shore. Did they stop to think if the jobs left, where would people work?

They shipped off the jobs so they could fatten their bank accounts, now it's time to pay the piper and they can't use their maxed out credit cards for that either.

This collapse has been a long time coming. America has been nothing but a pyramid scheme and now they're run out of takers and shit is falling apart.

 

[bleezyg420]

you are the idiot, sir, fucking over half of this planet lives on less than $2 a day!

I spend hell of a lot more than $2 a day. More in the range of 60-80