Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

[LionsRoor]

Hey LionsRoor...what is the size (gal.'s & dimensions) of the reservoir you are using for your 3 post flower unit?

Hey Shrike - it's the 25 gallon Botanicare res and cover... it is the one they use for their TurboGarden line of hydro units. It is a special order. You can find it online... let me measure it quick...

The res is 35 x 22 inches on the outside - but the actual interior section is 29.5 x 17 inches - it has a big lip. Also nice, it has a cut-out for the pump cord. The downside is, the cover and the res, with the porthole cover will set you back about $100.

To clarify - for those wanting to build a triple banger with this res - the outside edge of you posts must be 29.5 or less. This is pretty good... my fence posts sit 14" on center - with the holes 8" on center down each post.

 

[andyman]

The chiller will be for the flower setup. Sucks I can't use it to chill multiple reservoirs due to different nute requirements. So I am hoping running the pump for a short time (~1 min) will help keep the temps below 80. I have some bubble buckets going and they are black and just a air stone in them, and the temps are close to 80. It is hot where I am and it isn't even summer. I like the cloner being in the 80s (I think the higher temp helps with fast roots), as long as I can keep the funk controlled. But I would like my plants to be in 65-70deg water, and if just sitting water is close to 80 without a pump, I am almost certain an investment in a small chiller would be necessary. Just because the funk isn't growing doesn't mean the water temp is ideal.

No, the h2o2 shouldn't be needed with the DM Zone. I just put a couple caps in a few days after the setup was running with some cuts, just to keep the water fresh. About to change the water. Last summer a few bubble buckets did want to get a little smelly even with just the Zone, I am not really 100% satisfied with the product. It works, but I think there are better. I plan on ordering something else soon. (This is why I plan on buying a $300-400 chiller, the price is small if it will completely get rid of the high temps and the main reason the funk grows in the first place. Why band-aid the problem when you can prevent it from happening?) I tried organic nutes the first time I attempted to grow and the funk really seemed to feed on the the stuff in it and rapidly reproduced. Getting rid of the organics helped a lot, I eventually want to go back to organic though.

I took another peek when the lights came back on, and another has popped roots and others are showing the nubs.

I have successfully cloned more plants these past 6 days than I have in the past 2 years.

I keep my water around 70f and add strait tap water with no ph addjust since thats just to keep from nuit lock. since there is no nuits in my cloner than theres no lockout. At 70f I get roots on my indicas in 4-10 days and my sativas in 10 days or up to 2 weeks (rare) 100% . THE TIMER IS THE BIGGEST KEY. Makes them look for the water but still teases them with it every 4-5 min.. I cant belive the 100% rate I now get. I even put a fan leaf in and it grew roots.
I also tried a clone in my veg unit with 2000ppm and it took a little while longer but still got roots.

I get no funk with my green rubbermade r n totes. I dont change the water but once a month if that. I bet its been 1.5 months since I changed it. Its full of clones all the time, and some tomato plants too. I just add water every once and a while.

 

[LionsRoor]

I keep my water around 70f and add strait tap water with no ph addjust since thats just to keep from nuit lock. since there is no nuits in my cloner than theres no lockout. At 70f I get roots on my indicas in 4-10 days and my sativas in 10 days or up to 2 weeks (rare) 100% . THE TIMER IS THE BIGGEST KEY. Makes them look for the water but still teases them with it every 4-5 min.. I cant belive the 100% rate I now get. I even put a fan leaf in and it grew roots.
I also tried a clone in my veg unit with 2000ppm and it took a little while longer but still got roots.

I get no funk with my green rubbermade r n totes. I dont change the water but once a month if that. I bet its been 1.5 months since I changed it. Its full of clones all the time, and some tomato plants too. I just add water every once and a while.

Yeah - Andyman - I love your style, Bro! ...a fan leaf? Wow!

Yeah - Stink was right - clones out your ass. I too have had 100% with the cloner(s). Like another fellow on here, I too used to dread cloning as it was not 100% with my old method! The Stink system has given me the confidence to do away with Mothers... I just set one outside today - it's Summer here! I will put the others out after one more round of cuts to complete my StinkRoom!

 

[Shrike]

Thanks for the info, buddy. One more question. Are those the standard 4" post's that Stink uses or are they 5". They look like 4", but pictures can be deceiving.

Hey Shrike - it's the 25 gallon Botanicare res and cover... it is the one they use for their TurboGarden line of hydro units. It is a special order. You can find it online... let me measure it quick...

The res is 35 x 22 inches on the outside - but the actual interior section is 29.5 x 17 inches - it has a big lip. Also nice, it has a cut-out for the pump cord. The downside is, the cover and the res, with the porthole cover will set you back about $100.

To clarify - for those wanting to build a triple banger with this res - the outside edge of you posts must be 29.5 or less. This is pretty good... my fence posts sit 14" on center - with the holes 8" on center down each post.

 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

Questions for sir StinkBud or whoever is up to par....

I'm getting ready to build 4 flower units because of the way Colorado has the rules. In short I'll need run 4-17 day units instead of 3-21 day units. Given the shorter turn times, I only want to run 10 holes in each unit... one per patient. That will give me 17 days in clone, 17 days in veg box then 4x 17 in the flower units.

So here are my questions:
1] In regard to light spread, would it be better to build the 10 hole flower units in a 3 rail configuration .. 3 holes on each of the outside rails and 4 holes down the middle ? or stay with 5x5 on 2 rails. Seems like the grow pictures I've seen are short on the ends due to less light. the plants could be staggered in a 3x4x3 configuration as well.

2] Given that I have more space per rail, I think it would be better to space plants further apart for more growth. Is there any negative impact on the sprayer to roots if the holes are spaced wider ? Ie spray not getting to the pot . Is this a worthwhile effort to space the plants further apart ?

3] Lights... I was thinking a single light above each unit. 1 600 above each, or maybe even 600's for the first 2 units of the cycle and 1000s for the last 2 ? Would there be significant benefit to running 1000's in the last 34 days ?

4] Can the water and nutes make it 17 days, or will we need to change each one mid cycle ?

Feel free to point out any flaws in my thinking there. I'd rather do it right the first time

That's all for now... I think

Thanks !

 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

Thanks for the info, buddy. One more question. Are those the standard 4" post's that Stink uses or are they 5". They look like 4", but pictures can be deceiving.

four inch PVC. I just ordered some from Jay at Wayside fence.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PVC-VINYL-FENCE-AND-RAILING-POST-4x4X6_W0QQitemZ290032341587QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item290032341587&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262 has the 4"x4"x6' for 23.40 for the first one and 19.50 for additional ones including shipping.

They have different lengths including 4"x4"x40" for 7.50 +8 shipping on the first one and 4 shipping on additionals

the freight was jacked up on the caps so i just went to their website and sent them a request.

Not spammin.. just saving someone the shopping hassle

 

[SoCoMMJ]

Which timers should I get ?

for $49.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-nft1e-1minute-on-4minutes-off-preset-recycle-timer-p-1725.html

or this

For $69.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-artdne-adjustable-recycle-timer-wdaynight-function-p-541.html

I need to buy 3 of them so if i can save $20 each, that would be cool. But then again if it dies, the loss is much greater than that savings.

I'm not smart enough to build out the whole relay thing at this point. Maybe I'll be smarter next year.

 

[DoubleBubble]

Which timers should I get ?

for $49.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-nft1e-1minute-on-4minutes-off-preset-recycle-timer-p-1725.html

or this

For $69.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-artdne-adjustable-recycle-timer-wdaynight-function-p-541.html

I need to buy 3 of them so if i can save $20 each, that would be cool. But then again if it dies, the loss is much greater than that savings.

I'm not smart enough to build out the whole relay thing at this point. Maybe I'll be smarter next year.

The first one. People have problems with hitting the knobs on the other one.

 

[LionsRoor]

Thanks for the info, buddy. One more question. Are those the standard 4" post's that Stink uses or are they 5". They look like 4", but pictures can be deceiving.

Four inchers

 

[andyman]

Questions for sir StinkBud or whoever is up to par....

I'm getting ready to build 4 flower units because of the way Colorado has the rules. In short I'll need run 4-17 day units instead of 3-21 day units. Given the shorter turn times, I only want to run 10 holes in each unit... one per patient. That will give me 17 days in clone, 17 days in veg box then 4x 17 in the flower units.

So here are my questions:
1] In regard to light spread, would it be better to build the 10 hole flower units in a 3 rail configuration .. 3 holes on each of the outside rails and 4 holes down the middle ? or stay with 5x5 on 2 rails. Seems like the grow pictures I've seen are short on the ends due to less light. the plants could be staggered in a 3x4x3 configuration as well.

2] Given that I have more space per rail, I think it would be better to space plants further apart for more growth. Is there any negative impact on the sprayer to roots if the holes are spaced wider ? Ie spray not getting to the pot . Is this a worthwhile effort to space the plants further apart ?

3] Lights... I was thinking a single light above each unit. 1 600 above each, or maybe even 600's for the first 2 units of the cycle and 1000s for the last 2 ? Would there be significant benefit to running 1000's in the last 34 days ?

4] Can the water and nutes make it 17 days, or will we need to change each one mid cycle ?

Feel free to point out any flaws in my thinking there. I'd rather do it right the first time

That's all for now... I think

Thanks !

Not sure but I havent changed mine in over a month in my veg and it smells the same as it did when I started. Of course my clones been growin so fast I have to add a few gallons of water every other week and nuits too. So I think mine are using it up quick enough that I dont need to change it. Kinda like a car with an oil leak. If it used a quart a week of oil, its allways gettin a hillbilly oil change. lol
My temps are low so that might be why im not getting funkytown going on here.
I would follow stinks plan or close to it. Im just a lazy slacker

 

[andyman]

found some sort of pest today on my veg plants. puts little white dots on the leaves. very small. and then I see something small and black on the underside. When I squish it , it smears like any other bug , unless that was its droppings.(sure hope not, eww)
any help. This way I know what preditor bugs to get.
thanks

The last pic you can see the little pricks

 

[CapnBud]

found some sort of pest today on my veg plants. puts little white dots on the leaves. very small. and then I see something small and black on the underside. When I squish it , it smears like any other bug , unless that was its droppings.(sure hope not, eww)
any help. This way I know what preditor bugs to get.
thanks

The last pic you can see the little pricks

oh god u got spidermites. better go spend some money on some good products.

i suggest monterey's spinosad
or agrimaxx...i think thats how u spell it

 

[Milton187]

Not sure but I havent changed mine in over a month in my veg and it smells the same as it did when I started. Of course my clones been growin so fast I have to add a few gallons of water every other week and nuits too. So I think mine are using it up quick enough that I dont need to change it. Kinda like a car with an oil leak. If it used a quart a week of oil, its allways gettin a hillbilly oil change. lol
My temps are low so that might be why im not getting funkytown going on here.
I would follow stinks plan or close to it. Im just a lazy slacker

I did not follow the instructions either. I did not change my res. I ended up getting some kind of "nutrient lockout" from salt buildups. My plants actually started to die. To some it looked like "Thrips". Yesterday I changed out the res. I looked today after work and they look 100% better! (Thanks to all who helped!)

My advice, if in doubt, change the res.!
Water and nutes are cheap compared to all the time invested!

Andyman, sorry about the bugs. I hate BUGS! I live in the Arctic Circle and the only good thing about it is no bugs!

Miltons .02 cents.

 

[Saladsmokin]

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Sup stink thanks again for the help. I have all my stuff set up im jus kinda scared about overloading the electricity i dnt have any timers for the vent fan or lights yet wat do u recomend i get? This is my first Real Flowering Room nd i want to make it really nice..My first indoor gro i jus put the 600 lite in the closet wit dwc buckets.. but now i have the new flowering room made with everything but 2 stink flower system i need to make. After my first harvest im goin to add the co2 and A.c.

 

[jgreenbeast]

Unfortunately I have yet to find a cheap timer that goes down to 1 minute on. You have to pay a little under a hundred bucks.

Yes the cheapest I found online was like 68 bucks

 

[BIGTIMEROOFERR]

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hey salad
i use a outdoor timer from lowes that has 6 outlets and rated 1800w at20amp for my lights and fan that vents them its about 25 bucks

 

[BIGTIMEROOFERR]

Which timers should I get ?

for $49.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-nft1e-1minute-on-4minutes-off-preset-recycle-timer-p-1725.html

or this

For $69.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-artdne-adjustable-recycle-timer-wdaynight-function-p-541.html

I need to buy 3 of them so if i can save $20 each, that would be cool. But then again if it dies, the loss is much greater than that savings.

I'm not smart enough to build out the whole relay thing at this point. Maybe I'll be smarter next year.

hey soco
the first one is the one i have works fine i run 3 pumps on it
and that one is 25 bucks cheaper
i got fucked w/no vaseline

 

[brein]

hey soco
the first one is the one i have works fine i run 3 pumps on it
and that one is 25 bucks cheaper
i got fucked w/no vaseline

i actually have the second one. I didn't quite understand, but are you saying it's not good? i haven't opened mine yet. which one did you get screwed on?


Oh yeah, Stinkbud,
On your diagrams for the cloner. veg unit, and flowering units, you list specific pvc pipe lengths. Is this the length that you cut to? because on the diagrams, it actually looks like its the length of the pipe that is actually exposed. Since the elbows, T's, and end caps all take at least an inch on each side.

just wondering. Or is it not that important?

 

[DoubleBubble]

i actually have the second one. I didn't quite understand, but are you saying it's not good? i haven't opened mine yet. which one did you get screwed on?


Oh yeah, Stinkbud,
On your diagrams for the cloner. veg unit, and flowering units, you list specific pvc pipe lengths. Is this the length that you cut to? because on the diagrams, it actually looks like its the length of the pipe that is actually exposed. Since the elbows, T's, and end caps all take at least an inch on each side.

just wondering. Or is it not that important?

He paid $25 more than the price posted. The first one is better because you can't bump the knobs. The lengths are what you are to cut to.

 

[StinkBud]

found some sort of pest today on my veg plants. puts little white dots on the leaves. very small. and then I see something small and black on the underside. When I squish it , it smears like any other bug , unless that was its droppings.(sure hope not, eww)
any help. This way I know what preditor bugs to get.
thanks

The last pic you can see the little pricks

Ouch! I hate to see pics like those! Spider mites. By far the worst thing that can happen to a grower. Unfortunately it happens to everyone.

Buy some triple threats for your flower room. Remember, you can't buy too many predators. The more you buy, the faster the problem will end.

Spray all your clones and veg plants with Neem oil. Don't over due it though. Turn the lights off when you spray.

Wash every surface with bleach water, twice.

Normally I tell people not to worry but in this case, worry. Mites are bad. I've lost entire crops to mites many times in the last 15 years.

You can kill a lot of bugs just by running your fingers over each leaf.

Plain water is great. It makes it hard for the bugs to move around. Enough water will drown them. You can't spray thick buds with water though because you might end up with mold.

You can spray new buds and all the large fan leaves with water. I set my water bottle to spray a hard stream. I lift each leaf and spray the bottom hard to knock off as many pests as possible.

I do the same thing to the clones but with a tablespoon of Neem oil added. I also put a couple of drops of liquid soap in the water also. It helps the water flow better.

All this should be done while you're waiting for your predators to arrive.

Good luck and keep us posted!