can you tell the difference between MH buds and HPs Buds?

[t@intshredder]

oh and for the guy who asked about dual hoods

http://www.thebigtomato.com/catalog/hydrofarm-growzilla.htm

One of my buys has that hood and fucking LOVES it.
Do you use it yourself?

 

[easygrinder]

One of my buys has that hood and fucking LOVES it.
Do you use it yourself?

I have done in grows past, but the light distribution on it is quite focused with his harsh outer edges, it doesn't span out too much. I want as much light coverage as possible in my space which is why i have since opted for seperate hoods

 

[t@intshredder]

I have done in grows past, but the light distribution on it is quite focused with his harsh outer edges, it doesn't span out too much. I want as much light coverage as possible in my space which is why i have since opted for seperate hoods

That makes sense. My friend uses his on a smaller DWC setup with 8 plants. He swears by it for his setup.

 

[mygirls]

i found that the bud i got from the mh was more potent,
WRONG
i found that the bud i got from hps was slightly more dense
JUST THE AMOUNT OF LUMENS
i found that mixing the two together kicks ass

THIS IS BETTER

blue light represents winter??????
WRONG
hps is for the flowering period that represents summer time??????????
YES
and hps buds won't be better they will be bigger,
NOT TRUE LUMENS
mh light will producer better buds but slightly lighter in weight
TRUE
I appreciate that your just offering your help, but try to be a little bit more factual

and unless you have actually really flowered a plant with a decent powered mh you wouldn't really have a clue about the amount of difference anyways.

YES I HAVE

don't get me wrong though i like the qualities of both bulbs, which is why use both in veg and bloom

IS BETTER

its ok, you can stick with your hps and grow your nice big fat buds,
I WELL
i'll be using both together and get super fat super potent buds, but if your too ignorant to listen when someone says something different to what you believe then thats up to you.
OK
and just for the record, mh buds do fatten up, not quite as much as hps but they do fatten up, you carry on believing everything your told without questioning anything. If your ignorance is bliss then you must be in exstacy.

WHAT EVER

here we go, i did a google search for you,

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=metal+halide+more+potent+buds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

i put in

metal halide more potent buds, and ooo fuck me look what came up,

heres another link you may well want to take a look at

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2696.html

nice vid, nice area and some nice lil plants you got going there,

at the moment i'm in veg, but your welcome to check on my grow every so often and you'll see in a couple of months time what i'm talking about first hand when your drooling over my buds

WELL SEE

i never said hps is shit, so all you hps lovers out there don't be getting offended, all i said is, it is not outright better for flowering,
PRETTY MUCH YOU ARE
in some aspects mh is better, which is why mixing the two is the best option
NOT ALONE
i'm not out just to cause an argument the guys asking if we can tell the diff, and i'm giving him my experienced answer of the difference and you got a bunch of guys you have never even tried to use mh for flowering they just use hps because everyone else told them its the best, and if you tell someone else that, then they will believe it pass it on to someone else and the story continues, once enough people say something it is seen as fact when it not always is.
YES YOU ARE
if you go back to the start of the thread he asked for peoples opinions that have tried both and i have and i 100% believe that everything i have said on this thread is true

AND I HAVE

it was also your first grow, so how can you compare the two you know so much more now than when you grew the first ones, its not a true comparison

WHAT EVER

someone else who has difficulty reading i see,

i never said that mh is outright better for flowering, all i said is that they both have really good qualities for bloom, i don't think hps outguns mh and i don't think that mh outguns hps, i think that mixing them both together gets the best results,
THATS ALL YOUR SAYING
i mix them to get bonus potency from the mh and i use the hps for yield

TRUE

can you not read

it depends on your goal, if your goal is to produce the most amount of bud possible then hps is for you,

but if your aiming for the highest grade and yield isn't your main concern then mh is better.

isn't that saying they both have good qualities, they are both good but at different aspects

which is why i like to use them both together



you need help with any of those words some of them are quite large

so if its more to do with intensity then spectrum, then there should be no difference between hps and mh,
SPECTRUM AND LUMENS
of course spectrum makes a difference, you obviously don't read much outside the basics of growing marijuana, check on this thread the 100s and 100s of threads on uvb and how it increases potency,
that is what makes outdoor buds stronger the uvb.
OK
its ok though, its clear to see that your all stuck in your hps ways but thats cool its up to you guys.

WOW AN OPPINION

It doesn't really matter which one you chose overall, you'll grow great weed with either or

I just didn't want you to feel like hps was the be all and end all, i was giving you factual information that both have good qualities for flowering and it was up to you which was more important to you.

I admit i will argue a point when someone says something is set in stone and this is the absolute right answer.

There is a 100 ways to skin a cat and everyone here grows different and for different reasons, but when theres two sides to a story and only one is being told, i feel the other should be heard also.

The facts are hps produces decent strength weed that will knock you on your ass and a decent amount of it too.

Mh will produce slightly stronger weed that will knock you on your ass, but you will see a slight dip in yield.

Mix them both together and you got the best you can give them artificially.

TRUE

nah this is a debate, lighting vs questions always spark this up,

cfl vs hid

hps vs mh

always happens

my oppinion

 

[easygrinder]

That makes sense. My friend uses his on a smaller DWC setup with 8 plants. He swears by it for his setup.

its a fantastic hood without a doubt, but if your looking for good light distrubtion other hoods may work better for you.

i have lots of options open to me for lighting, i never know which direction i'm going to take a grow until i'm doing it.

I own 4 600w mh/hps ballast, capable of running both, i have 4 single hoods as well as the zilla, i have 4 hps bulbs and 2 mh bulbs besides my spares which are ex use bulbs but still work in case of failure.

I have a 250w cfl and a 4x55w tube fluro fixture. I can setup whatever grow i feel like from coco to soil to rockwool to dwc, my biggest trouble is i get bored really easy and when i get bored i tend to get negligent towards my plants, which is why i'm so spontainious with my methods

 

[t@intshredder]

its a fantastic hood without a doubt, but if your looking for good light distrubtion other hoods may work better for you.

i have lots of options open to me for lighting, i never know which direction i'm going to take a grow until i'm doing it.

I own 4 600w mh/hps ballast, capable of running both, i have 4 single hoods as well as the zilla, i have 4 hps bulbs and 2 mh bulbs besides my spares which are ex use bulbs but still work in case of failure.

I have a 250w cfl and a 4x55w tube fluro fixture. I can setup whatever grow i feel like from coco to soil to rockwool to dwc, my biggest trouble is i get bored really easy and when i get bored i tend to get negligent towards my plants, which is why i'm so spontainious with my methods

Nice! I'm pretty much in the same boat. I have 2x600w HPS, 2x400w MH and a ton of 46w CFLs that I fuck around with.
I do the opposite, though when I get bored. When I'm bored I fuck around with my lighting every other day. I get restless and I start to believe everything I read regarding why one type of light is better than the other.
Having all the options drives me nuts!

 

[easygrinder]

the only ones you really found any fault with were the posts where i was questioning what someone else wrote,

go back earlier in the thread

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/174254-can-you-tell-difference-between.html#post2250262

i also challenge to find any part of this thread where i say that mh is outright better overall than hps for flowering,

the only thing i ever said was that hps being better was not completely true, its better at producing large amounts of bud, and WILL produce more bud than a mh if used solely for flowering,

i then went on to say that mh improves potency,

i never favored one single bulb over the other

all you guys are just caught up thinking i'm saying mh is better than hps, well i'm not its better for potency but not better for yield

neither am i saying that hps is better than mh because for yield it is but for potency it isn't

the original question was can you tell the difference between hps bud and mh bud and i told him from my unbiased experience what i had learnt

if you still wanna say i'm wrong then go right ahead but i'm fed up of saying the same things over and over without you listening

 

[ste147]

since we are on the subject of hoods, is it worth getting a cool tube for a tent, as i think a normal one could be a heat problem!!! any recommendations? i want to keep heat down and have good distribution

 

[laserbrn]

since we are on the subject of hoods, is it worth getting a cool tube for a tent, as i think a normal one could be a heat problem!!! any recommendations? i want to keep heat down and have good distribution

yeah, air cooled hoods are awesome. I don't know that I would use the tube personally, I like reflectors/hoods better, but something air cooled will offer great heat reduction.

 

[easygrinder]

since we are on the subject of hoods, is it worth getting a cool tube for a tent, as i think a normal one could be a heat problem!!! any recommendations? i want to keep heat down and have good distribution

i personally don't like cool tubes as the light distribution is exceptionally poor, if your gonna get an air cooled go for something closer to the air cooled supernova,

, saying that, a good parabolic reflector will reduce hotspots and if you got an extractor in your tent and an oscillating fan you should more than likely be ok anyway, but aircooled will let you get it closer to the plant tops

 

[mygirls]

the only ones you really found any fault with were the posts where i was questioning what someone else wrote,

go back earlier in the thread

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/174254-can-you-tell-difference-between.html#post2250262

i also challenge to find any part of this thread where i say that mh is outright better overall than hps for flowering,

the only thing i ever said was that hps being better was not completely true, its better at producing large amounts of bud, and WILL produce more bud than a mh if used solely for flowering,

i then went on to say that mh improves potency,

i never favored one single bulb over the other

all you guys are just caught up thinking i'm saying mh is better than hps, well i'm not its better for potency but not better for yield

neither am i saying that hps is better than mh because for yield it is but for potency it isn't

the original question was can you tell the difference between hps bud and mh bud and i told him from my unbiased experience what i had learnt

if you still wanna say i'm wrong then go right ahead but i'm fed up of saying the same things over and over without you listening

this is part of one your quotes, close enough for me.
mh has a better cri which means it mimics the sun closer than a hps bulb

 

[nickfury510]

i never said hps is shit, so all you hps lovers out there don't be getting offended, all i said is, it is not outright better for flowering,

in some aspects mh is better

there is this gem.

 

[mindphuk]

this is part of one your quotes, close enough for me.
mh has a better cri which means it mimics the sun closer than a hps bulb

CRI, like lumens, is only relevant to people and the way we perceive color. It has nothing to do with the usefulness of the light to drive photosynthesis.

 

[ste147]

i personally don't like cool tubes as the light distribution is exceptionally poor, if your gonna get an air cooled go for something closer to the air cooled supernova,

, saying that, a good parabolic reflector will reduce hotspots and if you got an extractor in your tent and an oscillating fan you should more than likely be ok anyway, but aircooled will let you get it closer to the plant tops

what reflector do u have, or do u have a big grow room? my tent will be 1.2 wide by 2.4m long, so i will need 2 600's with a good distribution, would i connect my intake through both of my lamps to the exhaust?

 

[NorthwestBuds]

HPS makes plant stretch in Veg. MH keeps them short and bushy.

 

[ste147]

kinell those supernova air cooled refectors are dear and u dont even get the glass cover with it!!!!!!!!!!! NEXT LOL

 

[ste147]

and please dont say a grostar haha!

 

[itisagift]

because unlike you i don't just believe everything i read, any idiot can put a bunch of bullshit on a page and pass it off as fact, then someone links to it and it all snowballs from there, it wasn't so long ago there was a web page about feeding your plants anti pregnancy tablets.

unlike you I have actually grown plants using both, and hps is outright better.

unless you have first hand information and not just spouting something that is plastered all over the internet then i got no time, if you actually tried it for yourself then you would see.

there have been enough other threads on the positives of using a mh for flowering and there are also lots of threads about uvb for plants during flowering, which a mh bulb gives more of and therefore makes the plant more potent.

I don't sell my shit and i grow more than enough anyway, so i might as well make it the most potent shit i can.

There 1000's of people like you ready to bash anyone who says you can use other bulbs just as succesfully in bloom as you can hps.

I use both together because thats even better than using either bulb singularly.

Your not going to convince me that hps is just categorically better because its not, its better for gaining bulk, but not for potency.

and if you disagree with that then your just a faker who doesn't know shit

just do like i do, 400 watt mh + 250 watt hps for veg. 400 watt hps +250 mh for flower.

how the fuck can you go wrong by doing that?????

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

i found that the bud i got from the mh was more potent,

i found that the bud i got from hps was slightly more dense

i found that mixing the two together kicks ass

what this guy said

the HPS makes the bud heavier and therefore more appealing to sellers who sell by weight

the MH has more UVB which actually means stronger potency and better quality per weight, but the buds are fluffier and less heavy, therefore less appealing to dealers.

both = win

 

[420weedman]

Ok, Buds will be better but what does it do to a plant when you use both? If you are trying to mimic seasons with the color spectrum of the light wouldn't using both cause a little confusion?

exactly! cant honestly see the plant thinking ''hmmmm this is fecking strange, i think i'll produce some world class bud now'' loooooooooooool

lol, yea its the type of light that makes them flower ..... not 12 hours of darkness