My first grow

[mared juwan]

Yea I'm not 100% positive about the transplanting in flower thing. Just something I've heard before. And the reveg is kind of what I was talking about with the clones. As they revert from flower back to veg they grow a little funny. They will have wrinkly leaves for a little while until they go fully back to veg. The longer you let them go into flower before revegging and the longer they will grow funny before straightening themselves back out. Early male and female preflowers look very similar. If I HAD to guess right now I would say those pics look male but there's still hope. And about the cutting, you can get a sickly cutting to root no problem but there is a higher probability that the plant it grows into to be sickly as well. But I guess if the option is between no cutting at all or one that is a little ragged then I would go ahead and do it.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Awesome job man on the plants, i have a question when you water what do you use? Do you mist it with a spray bottle?

Thanks Totallybaked. Yes, I use two spray bottles. One is solely for spraying the leaves with water. The other has the spray piece removed, leaving only the screw top with a small hole, through which I apply a gentle stream of nutrients and water. I like to mist every day though, as I've been dealing with low moisture, though I want it low now that I'm starting to flower. I like to mist because it keeps the leaves free of dust, but I'm not a big fan of foliar feeding with nutrients as it leaves salt deposits that I don't like looking at.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Yea I'm not 100% positive about the transplanting in flower thing. Just something I've heard before. And the reveg is kind of what I was talking about with the clones. As they revert from flower back to veg they grow a little funny. They will have wrinkly leaves for a little while until they go fully back to veg. The longer you let them go into flower before revegging and the longer they will grow funny before straightening themselves back out. Early male and female preflowers look very similar. If I HAD to guess right now I would say those pics look male but there's still hope. And about the cutting, you can get a sickly cutting to root no problem but there is a higher probability that the plant it grows into to be sickly as well. But I guess if the option is between no cutting at all or one that is a little ragged then I would go ahead and do it.

Thanks for the constant flow of useful info mared! I'm not going to give up on it yet, but its days are numbered if some little hairs don't pop soon.

I'm probably not going to keep the remaining girls in flower if there is only 2 or 3 as I mentioned before, so I should be able to take some clones and hit the reveg for a while. Hopefully there's only a couple males and I can commit an entire area to vegging some clones...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Well, not much to report. Sex is still up in the air. Three potential males have been identified. I've been told to give them more time, as others have reported hairs developing from these little balls. So I'm waiting...

Otherwise, they are all getting big. Like, running out of space big. One got a little too close to the hps and burned some its young top leaves--they just grow so fast. Others are coming right along, some more squat than others, some responding better to nutrients than others. All want to be repotted into larger containers, but they need to show hairs first. Either way, I'm probably going to have to remove the shelf upon which they are resting as I cannot raise the hps any higher...I'll have to buy longer lengths of chain for the cfls too. It's going to look a lot different, but I'll need them farther away from the hps when I switch to bigger pots anyway. Here's some pics of the current status...

Here's the big one...with the little (hopefully not) balls...

The short one...healthy, just short.

This one got watered this morning...little droopy, but good

A couple in-situ...

Lots of leaves...

I was going to take more pics of the nodes, but they look about the same. Other than the three with balls, none have shown any sign of sex development at all. Hopefully this is a good sign...

 

[Tatan]

Plants are looking fine... now the important thing is the sexing... have to keep our hopes up that there are a lot of felames !

 

[mared juwan]

Quite a forest going there now. Is that an empty socket I see? Why no bulb in that one? LOL ya know I gotta keep you on your toes.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Quite a forest going there now. Is that an empty socket I see? Why no bulb in that one? LOL ya know I gotta keep you on your toes.

Ha ha I'm glad you noticed that. I ordered 12 bulbs on ebay--3 packs of 4 bulbs--and one of the bulbs arrived broken! I asked they guy for a $2 refund, and he refused, so paypal told me to send the whole thing across the country, where the seller would replace it. $14 shipping is not quite worth it for a $2 bulb.

So, I've got 11. I should prob go get another one (I'm wasting a whole socket!) but I actually have another splitter, so I should go get 2 more bulbs...that = 3200 more lumens I could be pumping in there!

An update is on the way in a hour or two...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

So after replying to mared's post about the broken bulb, I ventured into the garden for the morning routine. Upon removal of the plants, I noticed one of my cfls HAS BURNT OUT! That's 2 of 12 that have been payed for and didn't fucking work. Oh well, won't be buying my bulbs from ebay anymore. I was going to get more anyway, now I'll just get a pack of 4 or 6 in case more start to crap out...

Thanks for letting me vent about that. All plants were removed today and thoroughly examined for signs of genitalia. The suspected male has done nothing to helps its cause: second sets of balls are clustering next to the first. There are balls at multiple nodes. I think this is pretty conclusive photographic evidence, but take a look for yourselves...

I think there is little hope they are going to sprout hairs. There are two others with a similar condition to this fella...

There is good news though--it may be premature, but I think I can see hairs on 2 plants. One plant appears to have one hair that is trying to diverge into 2, the other has 2 that are about as thick as a human hair and hard to see, but I think are actually there! I didn't photograph these nodes directly, but here are pics of the plants I am describing...

This one has the barely visible hairs--I didn't even see them until I put the plant back under the lights and was about to walk away (sorry, a little blurry)

Ok, the other suspected female is on the left. The male discussed above is in the center, and the one on the right is slow--either that one or a similar one have grown one or two balls on various nodes, but not enough to determine male quite yet

That's it. I thought had more pics, but I guess not. They look droopy in the last pic because they needed water, which they received after I photographed them. I'll take more pics towards the end of their day time and we'll see how much they've straightened out, and maybe I can try to get a shot of some hairs!

How soon should I ditch the one I know is male? I started to give it nutrients today with the others, but decided that was a waste of money and I should just give it water. He is fucking HUGE and is taking up valuable space I don't have, so I want him out sooner than later. Also, what the hell should I do with it? Can I use it for anything?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Plants are looking fine... now the important thing is the sexing... have to keep our hopes up that there are a lot of felames !

My hopes are still high (or is that just me?)

I anticipated around half being male. Any less than that and I will have gotten more than I hoped for, so we're doing good so far...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

I couldn't wait. I went to go look at it and just snapped a couple shots...

The second shot is light-balanced. The petioles on this girl are also really fuzzy now...not sure if this is relevant, but wanted to share

I'm excited and relieved to finally have at least ONE confirmed female. I'm sure there will be more, but at least now I KNOW I've got one...

 

[Tatan]

Oh yeah ! thats a girl !!! It´s a nice feeling when you know you got one.. hehe Congrats !

As far as the potential male, yeah.. looks like a male, but maybe give it 1 more day just to be sure ?

Anyway good going so far !

 

[mared juwan]

Great news, my man. Most definitely a female there. I think the male is pretty much confirmed too. I would be tossing it from my garden if it were mine. Males produce less THC than the dirtiest schwag you've ever smoked so unless you plan on breeding then I would just trash it. And I don't know about you but I buy my CFLs locally. Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, whatever. Sometimes you have to go to more than one place to find 42 watters but they always have 26 watts at least. I don't think they're any more expensive than Ebay, especially when shipping comes into play.

 

[Tatan]

Great news, my man. Most definitely a female there. I think the male is pretty much confirmed too. I would be tossing it from my garden if it were mine. Males produce less THC than the dirtiest schwag you've ever smoked so unless you plan on breeding then I would just trash it. And I don't know about you but I buy my CFLs locally. Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, whatever. Sometimes you have to go to more than one place to find 42 watters but they always have 26 watts at least. I don't think they're any more expensive than Ebay, especially when shipping comes into play.

Yeah... thast what I do... buy at local grocery store or hardare store... 42 watt 2700k for flower and 26 watt 6500k for veg...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Yeah... thast what I do... buy at local grocery store or hardare store... 42 watt 2700k for flower and 26 watt 6500k for veg...

Yeah, that's where I got my 6500's from, but I saw these online and they were cheap enough, so I ordered them. Live and learn.

As for the 42watt 2700k cfls...what brand do you use and where exactly do you get them from? I've only been able to find 3-way bulbs that are 42watt, and they are considerably more expensive than the 26watt variety.

Thanks for the info...I'm gonna find the 42's somewhere!

 

[Tatan]

Yeah, that's where I got my 6500's from, but I saw these online and they were cheap enough, so I ordered them. Live and learn.

As for the 42watt 2700k cfls...what brand do you use and where exactly do you get them from? I've only been able to find 3-way bulbs that are 42watt, and they are considerably more expensive than the 26watt variety.

Thanks for the info...I'm gonna find the 42's somewhere!

At my grocery store they are about 13 dollars each... I bought a few there but then I found some on sale at an online bulb store and bought 8 of them for $6 each. I just went to look and only found for $11, but I´ll take another look.

http://www.bulbs.com/Compact_Fluorescent_Screw--in/40W_--_49W/Warm_White-/results.aspx?AffID=6&cm_mmc=google-_-light+bulbs-_-light+bulbs-_-light+bulbs+general

Here are some fo $8
http://www.1000bulbs.com/42-Watt-Compact-Fluorescents/

And here is another for $7 something.
http://justfanlights.com/minitwist.aspx

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Today is shaping up to be a busy day. Three plants are beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt males, and have been removed from the space. There are 1-2 more potential males that will be checked on later, but I'm pretty sure they're dudes. At least I'm getting a pretty good idea what early male plants look like, whatever that's worth.

On to the good news--the two females are 100% confirmed, and looking mighty healthy! One was droopy this morning, but after watering a few hours ago she looks great! And now, pictures...

Here are two of the males. I'm going to use them to practice removing a plant from the container, so I know what to do when I move the girls in the next couple days and don't cause them any undue stress.

These three are all close-up pics of the three different confirmed male plants. Even though female preflowers can look like little male flowers, I don't think the female's separate from the node and dangle the way these male balls do...something to consider when trying to sex in the future

This next one is a view of the large female who was watered yesterday. Still sort of droopy, but I think this is as straight as she is gonna get (compared with yesterdays pic).

I love these "up the skirt" shots!

Same shot minus the flash, no pun intended...

Here's the two confirmed females side by side. Drastically different looking plants, probably going to be different kinds of buds...

Here are the double-pots and the little warrior...I'm afraid one round pot (closest in pic below) may contain 1 male and 1 female, though I cannot yet confirm this. Should be interesting if that happens. Also, the bruised and battered little one is producing new growth finally, and looks like maybe will turn out female. Bummer, since this plant was once mighty and strong. But there may be hope yet, as I have a plan...

This last one is all the remaining plants in the space--lots more room now, so they can spread out nicely. There's a BIG problem...the two girls are already too big under most of the cfls and def can't fit directly under the hps. Every day is getting closer to crunch time (aka drop the shelf in a manner not yet realized time), but I need to wait until the rest show sex! Horizontal space improved, verticle space shrinking...

Given my lack of females and desire not to start all over from seed, these bitches are going to get cloned! There is a shelf above my current space that I used for germinating the seeds and sprouting the seedlings, but now is used for storage. I'm going to turn this into my veg space and run 18/6 or 20/4 and veg some clones while I flower the parents. I may elect to keep a mother plant, but we'll tackle that as it comes. Right now, I'm going to need to make the veg space LIGHT PROOF b/c it is directly above the flower space.

Once this is completed, I may top and re-veg the mangled plant, if indeed she proves to be female. Once she has caught up, its back in the flower chamber!

That's about as up to date as I can be. I'm going to rip the bong , probably a few times , and then to work on improving the garden.

 

[growforgood904]

looking good Jerry!! i obtained a bagseed yesterday. its germing. thats exciting not knowing wtf it is! but my others are doing well just put them under 400watt mh . check out the journal i got my room complete finally!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

looking good Jerry!! i obtained a bagseed yesterday. its germing. thats exciting not knowing wtf it is! but my others are doing well just put them under 400watt mh . check out the journal i got my room complete finally!

Looks great man, glad you got everything up and running! I'll be tuning in...

 

[Latin Weed Grower!]

Today is shaping up to be a busy day. Three plants are beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt males, and have been removed from the space. There are 1-2 more potential males that will be checked on later, but I'm pretty sure they're dudes. At least I'm getting a pretty good idea what early male plants look like, whatever that's worth.

On to the good news--the two females are 100% confirmed, and looking mighty healthy! One was droopy this morning, but after watering a few hours ago she looks great! And now, pictures...

Here are two of the males. I'm going to use them to practice removing a plant from the container, so I know what to do when I move the girls in the next couple days and don't cause them any undue stress.

These three are all close-up pics of the three different confirmed male plants. Even though female preflowers can look like little male flowers, I don't think the female's separate from the node and dangle the way these male balls do...something to consider when trying to sex in the future

This next one is a view of the large female who was watered yesterday. Still sort of droopy, but I think this is as straight as she is gonna get (compared with yesterdays pic).

I love these "up the skirt" shots!

Same shot minus the flash, no pun intended...

Here's the two confirmed females side by side. Drastically different looking plants, probably going to be different kinds of buds...

Here are the double-pots and the little warrior...I'm afraid one round pot (closest in pic below) may contain 1 male and 1 female, though I cannot yet confirm this. Should be interesting if that happens. Also, the bruised and battered little one is producing new growth finally, and looks like maybe will turn out female. Bummer, since this plant was once mighty and strong. But there may be hope yet, as I have a plan...

This last one is all the remaining plants in the space--lots more room now, so they can spread out nicely. There's a BIG problem...the two girls are already too big under most of the cfls and def can't fit directly under the hps. Every day is getting closer to crunch time (aka drop the shelf in a manner not yet realized time), but I need to wait until the rest show sex! Horizontal space improved, verticle space shrinking...

Given my lack of females and desire not to start all over from seed, these bitches are going to get cloned! There is a shelf above my current space that I used for germinating the seeds and sprouting the seedlings, but now is used for storage. I'm going to turn this into my veg space and run 18/6 or 20/4 and veg some clones while I flower the parents. I may elect to keep a mother plant, but we'll tackle that as it comes. Right now, I'm going to need to make the veg space LIGHT PROOF b/c it is directly above the flower space.

Once this is completed, I may top and re-veg the mangled plant, if indeed she proves to be female. Once she has caught up, its back in the flower chamber!

That's about as up to date as I can be. I'm going to rip the bong , probably a few times , and then to work on improving the garden.

Howdy Grower!

I've looked at your babies and they look bushy and healthy. What I really enjoyed looking at and reading was to know that u used Fluors only, I'm on that too brother.....I just had a pass out this morning due to my PLASTIC TRAY I think, Bummer......Have u seen my journal? Have a look and tell me what u think...

Sorry man, but what are they or are they bag seeds?I think I read bag seeds, did I?

Man, waiting to see pictures when u clone.......

Regards,
Latin Weed Grower!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Howdy Grower!

I've looked at your babies and they look bushy and healthy. What I really enjoyed looking at and reading was to know that u used Fluors only, I'm on that too brother.....I just had a pass out this morning due to my PLASTIC TRAY I think, Bummer......Have u seen my journal? Have a look and tell me what u think...

Sorry man, but what are they or are they bag seeds?I think I read bag seeds, did I?

Man, waiting to see pictures when u clone.......

Regards,
Latin Weed Grower!

Thanks for stopping by Latin! While I have been using fluoro's rather extensively, I do have a 150w hps running for flower. The majority of my grow thus far, however, utilized the cfls and t5's exclusively.

With enough properly positioned light, cfls can do great things for vegging. While I don't doubt their effectiveness for producing killer buds if used correctly, I know what hps can do, and I want the biggest buds I can produce! I'm still using 10+ cfls, because they certainly won't hurt anything!

They are indeed bag seed. Came from some good shit though...

Where's the link to you're journal? I couldn't find it in your sig...maybe just post it in my thread?