Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

GypsyBush

Well-Known Member
Hey NG..

What do you think of this... lol...

Like I was just thinking that I have an area in my op that has enough light to warrant a few more ladies...

But I am kinda strapped for cash right now so I went looking around the house...

I found...

1 - 185 gph water pump

2 - 5ft of flexible hose

3 - 18 gallon tub (the res)

4 - bottom half of a 32 gallon rubbermaid (the tray)

5 - 11 6" pots

6 - some string

7 - some gravel from the driveway ( I would have preferred using hydroton, but the gravel was free, we'll see how it works)

It is a recirculating drip/squirt sytem...

The water gets pumped to the individual pots via holes in the hose.. and returns to the res via holes in the bottom of the tray...

I plan on running it 4 hours on 15 min off... during lights on...

Simple as it gets, and although it was not free, most people here have this stuff at home...

Here is the picture...

and I'll make sure to bring updated pics when the time comes...

Cheers...

:joint::peace:



 

GypsyBush

Well-Known Member
I think I am stretching it a little bit with the driveway's gravel, but.. I see no reason for it not to work just fine...
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
I think I am stretching it a little bit with the driveway's gravel, but.. I see no reason for it not to work just fine...
Probably work just make sure you rinse it really well and sanitize it with bleach water or H202. Some gravel will alter the Ph though.
 

GypsyBush

Well-Known Member
Probably work just make sure you rinse it really well and sanitize it with bleach water or H202. Some gravel will alter the Ph though.
I wonder how plastic shavings might work...

I am not sure I like the weight of the gravel...

I am a little afraid it will collapse the res under it... making a mess...
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
I wonder how plastic shavings might work...

I am not sure I like the weight of the gravel...

I am a little afraid it will collapse the res under it... making a mess...
:lol: I bet the plastic would work but they might get into the pump. I'm trying to think of what else you could use but I'm too high . . .:eyesmoke:
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
How do you think i should germinate my seeds in a drip system. In the system or outside and how?
Start them in your starting media aka rockwool, rapid rooters, coco, ect. I like to hand water my seedlings until roots begin emerging from the starting media then I transplant into my system.
 

plantman969

Active Member
NewGrowth-

Hows everyone doing? Good I hope. Dropped by for little input.

I am running my 250 but decided to add a little more light to the mix . I hve a homebox s 2x2x6 and added 2 42w cfls 2600lumens at 2700k, 1 23w cfl at 1750lumens @ 2700k and 2 23w cfl uva/uvb reptile/lizard lights from the pet store putting out 5.0 uva/uvb rays. Read that uva/uvb rays are good during the bloom/flower cycle to help produce moe resin and hairs due to the radiation like effects of the bulbs. Can say that since putting these two bulbs in the tent i have seen a change in the bud production. The areas on the plant in the most direct path of these lights have shown significant hair prodution over the other parts of the plant. I have 3 plants in the bloom tent. 2 Super Lemon Haze (1 showing the sativa pheno and the other more of the indica phenos) from Greenhouse Seeds and 1 Barneys Farm Nightshade (This Plant is crazy Big leafed indica, even from early veg the leafs are huge i mean the size of fat basil leafs each part of the leaf not just the whole leaf .)

So this is my first true grow and have noticed some strange growth with my plants (not bad). I know everyone has there own tecnique but i have yet to see any plants like mine on any grow forum (grasscity, icmag, and here). For the best explination here goes.

Started with 16 seed and had never grown before and had terrible problems with the time from cracked seed to planting and sprouting. I could get the seed to crack but never sprout. I mean i tryed everything - tap water, ro/distiled water light no light, i mean everything.
So in the end what worked for me is the compleat opposit of what everyone suggest on these forums. For me to get past this stage here is what i did.

The day i put my seeds in papertowels (germed in wet paper towels sealed in a ziplock and set on my dresser) I also presoaked my rockwool and hydroton in a pre mixed gallon of 1/4 strength nutes)

PBP Grow, Calmag, Liquid Karma, Sweet, a touch of B-52, and Mycos - Stared with voodoo juice but now use humboldt nutes myco madness.

the next night all the seeds had cracked and it was time to plant. shook out the rockwool and drained the hydroton. Next instead of waiting for roots the plnts went directly into my dwc (at 300ppm/tds 198) with water filled to the second notch on the bottom of the net pots. Next i place some small plastic containers over each net pot acting like a humidome for each plant. Once the plant had removed the shell (sometimes with some very crafull help) and started on its second set of real leafs so the third set 1-water leaf - 2- 1st set of feeder/fan leafs - 3- 2nd set of fan leafs i removed the domes. This was all before the ddition of the cfls in the tent - so just the 250 was in there at the time.

This is where it gets different. i wanted to run only 2-4 plants (currently 3 plants) insted of the six on average for the size. I also wanted to top, supercrop, and lst all in the same grow. Didnt start this way but this is where i am at now. I started with topping my plants so as to keep them short bushes so the plant takes up the area of two. next i lowered my 250 to 4-6 inches above my plants just above the point i could feel the heat - so as low as i could go befor feeling the heat of the lamp. In doing this the plant remained short i mean short. I veged for 6 weeks from 3/3 - 4/12 before swithcing to 12/12. At this time the plants were only 9-10 inches tall max. On 4/3 i changed res water and damn near killed the plants ph was at 4.75 over night. Did another res change ending at ph 5.75 with ph nute lock out and over watered plants. cut off all affected plant matter and reveged till 4/12 when they recovered with all new leafs. 4/12 finallyswitched to 12/12.


because of almost killing the plants i ended up supercropping them when i removed all but the new grothw shoots. So at that point they had been topped and suppercroped, well as they recovered more for the first week of 12/12 i noticed a shit ton of growth. Worred i would run out of room and end up with a lot of smaller bud, i decided to lollipop all the brnches to one node below each top (each plant has a min of 12-16+ tops)
after this i added some tiedowns to a few branches and instaled an area for My scrog screen. Which will be installed in the next day or two as the plants are starting to reach the area designated for the screen.

So Lets Recap- Plants have been
1- Topped
2- suppercroped
3- Lollipoped
4- LSTed
5- and soon to be screened

in doing this my plants are crazy looking I mean they looked like mini trees. one plant my largest is different. i have net pot covers and straigt out of the top there is not really a stalk/ stem it branches out right out of the top.
the other two ave about 2-3 inches of stalk before the branching out. at each section of the plant where growth sprouts from the branches are swollen i mean nottie just huge. They have finnal reall started to strech and brought a friend by that has his own plants- to take a look and tell me what he thinks- This is whyi have posted he told me that he had never seen a cannibis plant that looked like mine - not in person or on any video he has seen. And i should post a video and pics to see if anyone has any input.

Now i know that i have tryed to much on my first grow (simplest is easyest and learn the basics), also if in the end crop is no good or small i will have a hrder time narrowing down what might have been wrong, but i am a really fast learner and like to experiment. No excuse! but ta all i got. so if you have any ideas on the possible outcome or ideas please let me know.

To late for pics as it is past lights out for my babies but i will post some tomarrow to give you some visuals to go with this long post.
 

hazee

Active Member
NewGrowth,
I have a rez with a 290gph ecoplus pump running water through my mister setup 15min on - 30 min off. It is 6.5 gal rubbermaid. Do you think I would need another smaller pump with tubing and airstones connected? What would I need?

ThankS!
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
NewGrowth-

Hows everyone doing? Good I hope. Dropped by for little input.

I am running my 250 but decided to add a little more light to the mix . I hve a homebox s 2x2x6 and added 2 42w cfls 2600lumens at 2700k, 1 23w cfl at 1750lumens @ 2700k and 2 23w cfl uva/uvb reptile/lizard lights from the pet store putting out 5.0 uva/uvb rays. Read that uva/uvb rays are good during the bloom/flower cycle to help produce more resin and hairs due to the radiation like effects of the bulbs.
The UVA/UVB thing is a theory to try to explain why cannabis plants produce such a heavenly resin. Most experiments I've seen have show little to no increase in production when people try to add UV light. I personally would not use it, UV radiation is pretty damaging to most plants. The "hairs" are pistils and having more does not mean better bud. A good example is trainwreck it grows huge calyx's and few hairs compared to something like white widow. The amount of resin produced has mostly to do with the strain .
Can say that since putting these two bulbs in the tent i have seen a change in the bud production. The areas on the plant in the most direct path of these lights have shown significant hair prodution over the other parts of the plant. I have 3 plants in the bloom tent. 2 Super Lemon Haze (1 showing the sativa pheno and the other more of the indica phenos) from Greenhouse Seeds and 1 Barneys Farm Nightshade (This Plant is crazy Big leafed indica, even from early veg the leafs are huge i mean the size of fat basil leafs each part of the leaf not just the whole leaf .)
Sounds tasty

So this is my first true grow and have noticed some strange growth with my plants (not bad). I know everyone has there own tecnique but i have yet to see any plants like mine on any grow forum (grasscity, icmag, and here). For the best explination here goes.

Started with 16 seed and had never grown before and had terrible problems with the time from cracked seed to planting and sprouting. I could get the seed to crack but never sprout. I mean i tryed everything - tap water, ro/distiled water light no light, i mean everything.
So in the end what worked for me is the compleat opposit of what everyone suggest on these forums. For me to get past this stage here is what i did.
I prefer to germinate my seeds directly in my media of choice as well, paper towels, pre-soaking, ect only cause problems and make it more complex than it should be IMO. Glad you found a way that works for you. My last couple batches from Greenhouse have been slow to germ however.

The day i put my seeds in papertowels (germed in wet paper towels sealed in a ziplock and set on my dresser) I also presoaked my rockwool and hydroton in a pre mixed gallon of 1/4 strength nutes)

PBP Grow, Calmag, Liquid Karma, Sweet, a touch of B-52, and Mycos - Stared with voodoo juice but now use humboldt nutes myco madness.
That's a lot of*stuff!~:joint:

the next night all the seeds had cracked and it was time to plant. shook out the rockwool and drained the hydroton. Next instead of waiting for roots the plnts went directly into my dwc (at 300ppm/tds 198) with water filled to the second notch on the bottom of the net pots. Next i place some small plastic containers over each net pot acting like a humidome for each plant. Once the plant had removed the shell (sometimes with some very crafull help) and started on its second set of real leafs so the third set 1-water leaf - 2- 1st set of feeder/fan leafs - 3- 2nd set of fan leafs i removed the domes.
I don't recommend humidity domes for any purpose really. They promote damping off, stunt growth and slow cloning. A moist media works just fine.

This was all before the ddition of the cfls in the tent - so just the 250 was in there at the time.

This is where it gets different. i wanted to run only 2-4 plants (currently 3 plants) insted of the six on average for the size. I also wanted to top, supercrop, and lst all in the same grow. Didnt start this way but this is where i am at now. I started with topping my plants so as to keep them short bushes so the plant takes up the area of two. next i lowered my 250 to 4-6 inches above my plants just above the point i could feel the heat - so as low as i could go befor feeling the heat of the lamp. In doing this the plant remained short i mean short. I veged for 6 weeks from 3/3 - 4/12 before swithcing to 12/12. At this time the plants were only 9-10 inches tall max. On 4/3 i changed res water and damn near killed the plants ph was at 4.75 over night.
Grow drama:-?

Did another res change ending at ph 5.75 with ph nute lock out and over watered plants. cut off all affected plant matter and reveged till 4/12 when they recovered with all new leafs. 4/12 finallyswitched to 12/12.
:shock::twisted: It's a weed and grows like it too!


because of almost killing the plants i ended up supercropping them when i removed all but the new grothw shoots. So at that point they had been topped and suppercroped, well as they recovered more for the first week of 12/12 i noticed a shit ton of growth. Worred i would run out of room and end up with a lot of smaller bud, i decided to lollipop all the brnches to one node below each top (each plant has a min of 12-16+ tops)
after this i added some tiedowns to a few branches and instaled an area for My scrog screen. Which will be installed in the next day or two as the plants are starting to reach the area designated for the screen.

So Lets Recap- Plants have been
1- Topped
2- suppercroped
3- Lollipoped
4- LSTed
5- and soon to be screened
:shock: You into bondage? S&M? :lol: Just kidding . . .


i
n doing this my plants are crazy looking I mean they looked like mini trees. one plant my largest is different. i have net pot covers and straigt out of the top there is not really a stalk/ stem it branches out right out of the top.
the other two ave about 2-3 inches of stalk before the branching out. at each section of the plant where growth sprouts from the branches are swollen i mean nottie just huge. They have finnal reall started to strech and brought a friend by that has his own plants- to take a look and tell me what he thinks- This is whyi have posted he told me that he had never seen a cannibis plant that looked like mine - not in person or on any video he has seen. And i should post a video and pics to see if anyone has any input.
I'll bet after all that you've got some bonsai weed, I've had old mothers that ended up looking like you described after so many cuttings.

Now i know that i have tryed to much on my first grow (simplest is easyest and learn the basics), also if in the end crop is no good or small i will have a hrder time narrowing down what might have been wrong, but i am a really fast learner and like to experiment. No excuse! but ta all i got. so if you have any ideas on the possible outcome or ideas please let me know.
Sounds like you have a had a great learning experience. I would love to see those pictures. It's pretty had to predict an outcome with all that has happened so far . . . .

To late for pics as it is past lights out for my babies but i will post some tomarrow to give you some visuals to go with this long post.
Keep me updated bro sounds like you are having fun!:peace:

NewGrowth,
I have a rez with a 290gph ecoplus pump running water through my mister setup 15min on - 30 min off. It is 6.5 gal rubbermaid. Do you think I would need another smaller pump with tubing and airstones connected? What would I need?

ThankS!

I assume you are talking about an air-pump? If so it's always a good idea to oxygenate you reservoir.:peace:
 

sophanox

Well-Known Member
Hey newgrowth,

I'm gonna be vegging in a rubbermaid bubblebox DWC and flowering in an NFT. The NFT uses grodan rockwool cubes, whilst the bubbler uses netpots. Can i just squeze the rockwool cubes into the netpots, or will I have to come up with a better solution?

Thanks very much
 

plantman969

Active Member
Newgrowth you hit the nail on the head bonsi plants for sure-

So here are the pics - its alot but here goes

part 1 of 2
 

Attachments

plantman969

Active Member
Newgrowth you hit the nail on the head bonsi plants for sure-

So here are the pics - its alot but here goes

part 1 of 2

part 2 of 2

some of these are from my veg box 1 super lemon haze and a chiesel the one in the front with the cord on it is the SLH and the one in the back is the chiesel
 

Attachments

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Would (3) 4inch airstones do in a 17 gal rez?
Yeah that should be more than enough.

Hey newgrowth,

I'm gonna be vegging in a rubbermaid bubblebox DWC and flowering in an NFT. The NFT uses grodan rockwool cubes, whilst the bubbler uses netpots. Can i just squeze the rockwool cubes into the netpots, or will I have to come up with a better solution?

Thanks very much
Why not put the cubes into the net pots before hand then just transfer them to your DWC flower space pot and all?

Newgrowth you hit the nail on the head bonsi plants for sure-

So here are the pics - its alot but here goes

part 1 of 2
Great pics man! Lets see the buds! Looks like they will have quite a few bud sites and the stems are impressive. I think if you keep it simple and watch the Ph through flowering you will be very satisfied with the results. The screen is a good idea as well, you don't have much headroom in there and they are going to start a growth spurt very soon.

Good Luck bro I'm rolling up some Nor-Cal outdoor from '08 for ya:joint:
 

plantman969

Active Member
Great pics man! Lets see the buds! Looks like they will have quite a few bud sites and the stems are impressive. I think if you keep it simple and watch the Ph through flowering you will be very satisfied with the results. The screen is a good idea as well, you don't have much headroom in there and they are going to start a growth spurt very soon.

Good Luck bro I'm rolling up some Nor-Cal outdoor from '08 for ya:joint:
Thank you. as far as head space they accutally have alot so to speek the bloom tent is 2x2x6. Including the dwc tote and light they have about 4 feet of grow space. I plan on putting the screen about half that.

And yes i have learned ALOT and is more fun than imaginable.

Once again thank you for your input.
 

trdank

Active Member
I don't have rockwool in my area. I want to know if perlite and hydroton are good enough to use from start to finish when using a homemade DWC bubbler? sysytem
 
Top