This is how we do it on the other side (Was the $26,500 Thread)

[Hotwired]

vegas - looks like an admin deleted his post. Good job admins.

That poster is what we around here call a "troll". He only posted his crap to see if you would retaliate with your own flames back at him. Never reply to a troll, just click their name and add them to the ignore list.

Back on topic.

Glad your chiller problem has been solved. After further review of these ice boses I believe my own best course of action would be a portable ac. If I used the ice boxes I would still have the problem of venting the hot air from the chiller. Plus the whole icebox/chiller initial cost is $1000 higher than a real good port ac.

I'm sure there is probably a way to rip a home made box of some sort around the exhaust of the chiller but I'm too lazy. Maybe they will make one with a ductable exhaust one of these days.

 

[abellguy]

HORRAY! The water chiller setup is now mostly optimized in the veg room.

Abellguy: Your advice did perfect. The reservoir is on a closed loop now only going to water chiller. The reservoir also has a 2nd pump now pumping to iceboxes and then back only. I set the chiller to 62(f) and it was at 64(f) this morning. That's 6-7(f) cooler than before. Once the ventiliation is setup properly I'd expect a few more degrees of temperature reduction. The change only took a few minutes and an extra pump.

Today is flower room completion time, we'll have it done by tomorrow for the most part and ready to take the first batch of plants out of veg. Pictures of flowering room to follow later this week, but its about the same as the veg room just more lights such.

Thank you very much for the update on how it all worked out. I am very sorry if some how I caused some kind of problem cause of the fact that I only have 20 posts, and am giving you way different ideas then what others are giving you as well as the manual you got with your equipment. (which by the way thank you for including in your post cause I am now going to be getting some of these on my next venture. I couldn't this time cause of noise) I would venture to guess that most people like me never post at all.

I bet if there were forums around like this when people were switching from soil to hydro there would have been all out world war three with the way people seem to be taking the water cooling thing. When I went to my buddies house to look at his garden (that blew mine out of the "water" at that point) I saw his res. with the nutrient solution and I said, "that dirty water is what your feeding these things?" Whithin about two months I had totally converted myself. LOL

Anyway I am glad it all worked out well. Maybe too late but a couple more things that will help the chiller stay off are to put your out pump (to lights) on the bottom of res. and the pump to chiller at the top of res. were the hot water from lights is coming back then have your outlet from chiller back to res. go to bottom or res. That way your kind of keeping the cold water in the bottom of res. and pumping to lights from there. While the hot water from lights is dumping on top and being pumped to chiller from there. Also a hot water heater blanket will help to keep chiller cold. Hope this helps. If you need any assistance in future on how to put your stuff togther for maximum effeciancy just PM I will be happy to help out if I can, and have no problem saying I don't know enough about that to comment. Have a good one

 

[benvegas]

Hotwired:

Thanks for the ignore tip -- Didnt know it existed =)

I think the chillers *may* end up being worth it in the long haul. If I can keep those lights closer to the plants because they are cooler then its a win win for me! (Light gets reduced in power the further away something is, flashlight in a tunnel theory). For me the chiller wasnt as much as cooling as it was cooling and yield.

The ice boxes are cheap, I believe USD$150-ish, but the chiller is the real expense. Even a 1/10th chiller for a few hundred dollars and one radiator would benefit many especially in a closet grow where heat is a big limiter?

Will keep posted as things progress as always.

 

[benvegas]

Thank you very much for the update on how it all worked out. I am very sorry if some how I caused some kind of problem cause of the fact that I only have 20 posts, and am giving you way different ideas then what others are giving you as well as the manual you got with your equipment.

Abell: You were absolutely not the problem.

 

[NewHiddenGrower]

Abell: You were absolutely not the problem.

Benvegas how are the chillers doing for you?

And how much do they cost? i want to keep 4 600watt hps cooled with them

 

[UTurn]

Ben I seem to be confused, I understand how the water chillers keep the water cooler but what are you referring to that keeps the grow room cooler? and you newhidden grower? what are talking about that would keep your 4 600's cooler?

 

[FLoJo]

hydroinnovations icebox cooler.. if you keep the water that circulates through it cool enough, the air passing through the hood will be cooler than the ambient air temperature, thus cooling the air

 

[mindphuk]

I have a drop in chiller. Can I use that to chill the rez and run a closed loop to the Ice Box? I think it's a 1/4 or 1/5hp, will that be enough for a single 1000w?

 

[benvegas]

I have a drop in chiller. Can I use that to chill the rez and run a closed loop to the Ice Box? I think it's a 1/4 or 1/5hp, will that be enough for a single 1000w?

That's perfect. You only need a 1/10th hp for one light, so 1/4hp will be a nice little boost in cooling. Just set it for 10(f) below ambient temperature and make sure the chiller is not in the same room as the light. Closed loop is perfect, that's how mine is setup now and its working at 64(f) all day now.

(I just added two more lights to the 1hp chiller for a total of four 1000w lamps. We'll see how it holds up tomorrow.)

 

[G33kDro]

SO, you have the iceboxes and the water cooling system already, are you going to be using any of the hydroGens? I dont see any co2 addition into your room. (i may have overlooked)
I just picked up a 1/2hp chiller and in a few weeks im sure i will have at least 1 icebox.
i only have a 55 gal small res for now, but i will be getting one much larger. Because efficiency is the name of the game.

I know other people are lurking and just not saying it, but THANK YOU very much for posting all of this very valuable information on here.!kiss-ass

-G33k

 

[benvegas]

I'm going old fashioned on Co2 with tanks and timers for now. I forgot the manufacturers name of the timer, but they just arent in the rooms yet since I wont need them for another 2 weeks. The wall panels will be permanantly mounted on a board and same with the Co2 and other timers once that part of the project is done. Just setting everything up "as needed" per say, that way instead of setting up 4 tents in an undesirable fashion after learning more and optimizing, its less work overall. And thanks for your thanks

Water chilling-wise, I added two 1000w lamps to the chillers cycle now so it is cooling 4 lamps of 1000w each. The temps are still 64(f). Time to see how low it can go and if it'll take the other dozen lights. If this cools two rooms for me and I dont need any additional cooling just an exhaust fan then this is the most electricity economical investment I can make in the whole operation. (monthly savings on one water chiller vs 2 tents air conditioners or additional fans that would consume more electricity).

 

[MEANGREEN69]

really??? im running a 1000watt MH and when i hooked up my "icebox" and 1/10 hp chiller i had major probs...it was a closed loop from the res to the chiller to the icebox and back...all out side of the room(tent)... the chiller puts off alot of heat for a small room that the tent is in..and i didnt have time to tweek it....any addvice??..MEANGREEN...

 

[abellguy]

I am glad to hear all is working well now. I have no idea why HI is telling you to hook it up the way you had it. You should have no problem with running two tents on the one chiller. Once you get a little more run lenght the chiller might have to run a little more to keep it at your required temp. If you do not get much rise in temp over a light cycle with your system as it is there is no need to bring it any lower in temp it will just be wasting elec. on it trying to keep the res. cooler.


A 1/10 horse power chiller is barely big enough for a res. they just have them so they can say they have a chiller available for around $300. You need to have a 1/4-1/2 minimum for your system to work.


Smaller res. are fine but you need a much bigger chiller to keep it cold as the temp rise caused by the water exchange from the warm water (from light) being mixed with the cold water in the res. that is steadily rising cause of the smaller amount of water that is in the res. The larger the chiller the larger its holding capacity to chill water and it chills the water much faster cause of the size of chiller.

 

[KryptaChroniCannaLite]

vegas...you rock.

 

[benvegas]

really??? im running a 1000watt MH and when i hooked up my "icebox" and 1/10 hp chiller i had major probs...it was a closed loop from the res to the chiller to the icebox and back...all out side of the room(tent)... the chiller puts off alot of heat for a small room that the tent is in..and i didnt have time to tweek it....any addvice??..MEANGREEN...

Keeping in mind that all setups are different..... Try running two loops like I did. You had the same problem I had a few pages ago. One closed loop from res --> chiller --> res, and the second loop on a second pump from res --> icebox --> res. If you have two iceboxes, then just res --> icebox --> icebox --> res.

Give that a try and see if it helps. Your 1/10th hp chiller still should be enough, make sure its set 10(f) below room temperature and also ensure that you have around a 50 gallon reservoir for that size chiller. A 400 gph pump should be plenty fine, each for the icebox and the reservoir.

And a big standard disclaimer, its all experimental shit, so if it doesnt work let me know too. We're all learnin here

 

[MediMary]

in benvegas

 

[SOG]

very nice Ben, keep up the good work

i know it gets frustrating at times,
still its not nice to lash out at people who have only good intentions!

keep your cool bra, stay zen
things will eventually fall into place,

this is my experience as a Sr.Systems Engineer
I've run into things that got me so frustrated
i could have harmed a person with my anger
I've learned to let things go,
things especially don't work when your taking the route no man had before,
and there's the reason why, I've learned from my experience to let things go,
then get back later with a better relaxed attitude
don't fight it; flow with it and give it the time it need
everything will get solved with time
worked every time 100%

now I'd love to hang out on your thread bra,
but you need to bring back my friend LB
no hard feelings here, he is a friend first

 

[UTurn]

pictures!!!!

 

[abellguy]

very nice Ben, keep up the good work

i know it gets frustrating at times,
still its not nice to lash out at people who have only good intentions!

keep your cool bra, stay zen
things will eventually fall into place,

this is my experience as a Sr.Systems Engineer
I've run into things that got me so frustrated
i could have harmed a person with my anger
I've learned to let things go,
things especially don't work when your taking the route no man had before,
and there's the reason why, I've learned from my experience to let things go,
then get back later with a better relaxed attitude
don't fight it; flow with it and give it the time it need
everything will get solved with time
worked every time 100%

now I'd love to hang out on your thread bra,
but you need to bring back my friend LB
no hard feelings here, he is a friend first

I am not sure how Ben did anything to make LoudBlunts react the way he did.

I replied to Ben on page 15 (with the correct information on how to fix his problem) ONLY because he said if anyone with usable information could post he would like it. Cause like me he found 0 here that make any sense at all or are from expierence.

LoudBlunts without even reading what is being said or thinking about what is being said or more likely not having any experience with what is being talked about, starts telling Ben exactly what he needs to be doing. Then on top of it tells me I need to have the manual in front of me to talk to Ben about it. Basically he thought he was the only one who had the right information and was upset when Ben wasn't accepting it.

Well I believe Ben to be smarter than to need help understanding the manual. Also if you look close enough in the picture you can tell he has it hooked up the way it says to in the manual and it is not working. So LoudBlunts post on the fact that he is "worried" about is setup is a little off when he has gotten the correct information 3 posts earlier.

I am an Electro-Mechanical Engineer and I don't need the manual to set up a simple recirculating cold water setup, so I am glad that Ben ignored my post count and went with my advice and it worked fine. On top of it I think he is finding he might have a couple of chillers for sale!! lol

I guess on this site "good intentions" are first rated by how high your rep is instead of the content of each post. I think people should keep in mind that most people that are most qualified to be posting don't post at all.....

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

keep doing what you doing benvegas....awesome set-up you got!!!