honey oil, can you make it with a plant in vegetative state?

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So, I have a plant I've been nurturing for about 5 weeks now. I have had a lot of beginner problems mites, thrips, 4.5 ph, etc. and what it comes down to is I want to start over, better now that I know what to do and how to do it. Does this plant have to go to waste? Or could i make hash oil by extracting with butane? "Honeybee method" Would it even be good? It has been in the flowering mode for 2 weeks now and hasnt shown any sign of sex and appears to be dying and none of my "fixing" methods have worked. The new leaves growing in are growing in dried up and small.
(NOT LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TO FIX PLANT PROBLEM) I just want to know what a plant like this can be used for if anything?:leaf:
 
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You can, but expect very little oil. Half dead leaves will be pretty thin on resin. Might be worth trying if only to do a practice run of your oil rig.

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Etheraeon

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You can't make honey oil with that, that's for sure. The oil you'd get from a veg plant would be greeen, and I personally wouldn't wanna smoke it. ;)
 
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Etheraeon said:
You can't make honey oil with that, that's for sure. The oil you'd get from a veg plant would be greeen, and I personally wouldn't wanna smoke it. ;)
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so one says yes and another says no...im going to agree with the no unless told otherwise. I know there are small amounts of THC in the plant but i cant see any trichs or anything and the plant has been flowering for 2 weeks now uninterrupted 12/12 and hasnt shown any signs of sex and is dying a lot after flushing the 4 ph soil with 7 ph. Now some advice would be helpful if anyone knows how to fix a water damaged 5 week old plant lol. Hit me up.:spew:
 
Demosthenese

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yes you can definetly make oil out of it using the butane extraction method. I have used only fan leaves from vegging plants and have still gotten a little oil out of it. I find the more fan leaves u use the greener the liquid butane is when it comes out, but i still find that after boiling off the butane u are left with an amber see through product that is great for either smoking, or my preferred method baking. I would definitely dry your girl out and grind her up rather then just tossing her, although i would say that in terms of ground up material i wouldnt waste a five dollar can of butane on anything less then at least a cup of ground dry plant material, so if ur plant is really small u might want to dry it and wait till you have trim or leaves from your next harvest. I also use stem from any weed ive bought. Same goes for any green trim or clones or stem; in the long run everything that grows in my grow room is turned into honey oil, because anything else is just waste for no reason as far as i can see. Also, it means that im never throwing away any sketchy weed leaves in my apartment trash :p just a fine green powder that gets flushed.
 
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Demosthenese said:
yes you can definetly make oil out of it using the butane extraction method. I have used only fan leaves from vegging plants and have still gotten a little oil out of it. I find the more fan leaves u use the greener the liquid butane is when it comes out, but i still find that after boiling off the butane u are left with an amber see through product that is great for either smoking, or my preferred method baking. I would definitely dry your girl out and grind her up rather then just tossing her, although i would say that in terms of ground up material i wouldnt waste a five dollar can of butane on anything less then at least a cup of ground dry plant material, so if ur plant is really small u might want to dry it and wait till you have trim or leaves from your next harvest. I also use stem from any weed ive bought. Same goes for any green trim or clones or stem; in the long run everything that grows in my grow room is turned into honey oil, because anything else is just waste for no reason as far as i can see. Also, it means that im never throwing away any sketchy weed leaves in my apartment trash :p just a fine green powder that gets flushed.
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Awesome advice, its good to know that it isnt a total loss and that even if only a small amount i can get something out of it other than the pure joy of raising a plant =)
 
anhedonia

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Demosthenese said:
yes you can definetly make oil out of it using the butane extraction method. I have used only fan leaves from vegging plants and have still gotten a little oil out of it. I find the more fan leaves u use the greener the liquid butane is when it comes out, but i still find that after boiling off the butane u are left with an amber see through product that is great for either smoking, or my preferred method baking. I would definitely dry your girl out and grind her up rather then just tossing her, although i would say that in terms of ground up material i wouldnt waste a five dollar can of butane on anything less then at least a cup of ground dry plant material, so if ur plant is really small u might want to dry it and wait till you have trim or leaves from your next harvest. I also use stem from any weed ive bought. Same goes for any green trim or clones or stem; in the long run everything that grows in my grow room is turned into honey oil, because anything else is just waste for no reason as far as i can see. Also, it means that im never throwing away any sketchy weed leaves in my apartment trash :p just a fine green powder that gets flushed.
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Yeah explain how vegitative matter contains thc for all of us.:lol:

This post is toatal horseshit.
 
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Demosthenese said:
yes you can definetly make oil out of it using the butane extraction method. I have used only fan leaves from vegging plants and have still gotten a little oil out of it. I find the more fan leaves u use the greener the liquid butane is when it comes out, but i still find that after boiling off the butane u are left with an amber see through product that is great for either smoking, or my preferred method baking. I would definitely dry your girl out and grind her up rather then just tossing her, although i would say that in terms of ground up material i wouldnt waste a five dollar can of butane on anything less then at least a cup of ground dry plant material, so if ur plant is really small u might want to dry it and wait till you have trim or leaves from your next harvest. I also use stem from any weed ive bought. Same goes for any green trim or clones or stem; in the long run everything that grows in my grow room is turned into honey oil, because anything else is just waste for no reason as far as i can see. Also, it means that im never throwing away any sketchy weed leaves in my apartment trash :p just a fine green powder that gets flushed.
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Go give someone else advice fuckin joker. Plants develop thc (resin glands) to protect the flowers late in the season. HOW DOES HE HAVE THC IF HE DOESNT EVEN HAVE ANY FUCKN FLOWERS RETARD?
 
vh13

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I'll second Demosthenese. I haven't made oil from veg leaves, but I've eaten a bunch of 'em and gotten a mild buzz.

Yes mj produces MORE thc on the buds, but it does produce some even in veg, especially at the growing tips. Back in the 60's poor hippies would sometimes smoke the leaves, and it was good enough!

Ya'll haters need to back off. :cry:
 
anhedonia

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Look, I realize there are some exceptional people on these forums making completely unfounded claims. I even heard that hippies boiled the roots after harvesting to improve potency. Complete bullshit. As I stated before, you cant get high off of marijuana without consuming THC which is located in the glands. Thats just how it is.
 
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anhedonia said:
Yeah explain how vegitative matter contains thc for all of us.:lol:

This post is toatal horseshit.
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Well, it might not make the best oil there is but plants do contain thc early on in the vegetative state...look it up. Giving advice is fine but dont come on here getting all riled up thinking you know it all. No one benefits from it.
 
Demosthenese

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honestly. im not trying to lead the guy astray or anything, im just telling him my ACTUAL experience.
How bout this; instead of me having to prove it works, you go prove it doesn't. Get some leaves and stem (since ur apparently a grower) and let them dry. grind them fine. then, get a peice of plastic pipe and seal one end witheither glue and a pipe end cap, or with say the bottom of a small pop bottle heat shrinked and hot glued to the end with a hose clamp for good meassure. then half fill the pipe with veg plant powder and run a can of butane under preassure through the pipe letting the liquid drip through a coffee filter u have taped to the other end of the pipe holding in the powder. Collect this liquid on a plate and then let the extra butane evaporate. You will be left with a yellow opaque gunk. Scrape this onto a microscope slide or into a vial and heat it till the liquid turns golden and comepletey see through. Smoke or eat.
Or i guess under your version of reality, the plate should be comepletely clean once the butane boils off.
Get real "you cant get high off of marijuana without consuming THC which is located in the glands. Thats just how it is.". THC is just one of many canabinoids present in different parts of the plant. They all contribute in different ways to the different highs we get from different strains depending on the ammounts of each once. Obviously the trichs are where it is at, and i get at least twice as much oil from gland trim then from veg leaves. But absolutely, it does work. Show me a video of you disproving me and ill send you the 5 bucks for the can of butane. Don't be a douchebag and post horseshit counter advice if you've never tried it at all.
 
Pnuggle

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Demosthenese said:
honestly. im not trying to lead the guy astray or anything, im just telling him my ACTUAL experience.
How bout this; instead of me having to prove it works, you go prove it doesn't. Get some leaves and stem (since ur apparently a grower) and let them dry. grind them fine. then, get a peice of plastic pipe and seal one end witheither glue and a pipe end cap, or with say the bottom of a small pop bottle heat shrinked and hot glued to the end with a hose clamp for good meassure. then half fill the pipe with veg plant powder and run a can of butane under preassure through the pipe letting the liquid drip through a coffee filter u have taped to the other end of the pipe holding in the powder. Collect this liquid on a plate and then let the extra butane evaporate. You will be left with a yellow opaque gunk. Scrape this onto a microscope slide or into a vial and heat it till the liquid turns golden and comepletey see through. Smoke or eat.
Or i guess under your version of reality, the plate should be comepletely clean once the butane boils off.
Get real "you cant get high off of marijuana without consuming THC which is located in the glands. Thats just how it is.". THC is just one of many canabinoids present in different parts of the plant. They all contribute in different ways to the different highs we get from different strains depending on the ammounts of each once. Obviously the trichs are where it is at, and i get at least twice as much oil from gland trim then from veg leaves. But absolutely, it does work. Show me a video of you disproving me and ill send you the 5 bucks for the can of butane. Don't be a douchebag and post horseshit counter advice if you've never tried it at all.
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id like to see this video! Demo, your theory sounds plausible, though I havent tried it. extracting oil is not really my forte, but ive made cannabutter out of fan leaves and sticks from my tray and bag before. I got a mild buzz off of it(unless it was just a butter-fat high) :bigjoint:
 
aknight3

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you canont make decent oil with leaves, no way no how, thc doesnt start producing until at least 2 weeks in flower.
 
Demosthenese

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yes you can. try it, it works. if it fails then you have wasted a 5 dollar can of butane and you can post a vid of it failing. Until then, i will continue to insist that if you use about a cup of thoroughly dried and powdered plant material you should be able to cover a microscope slide in a thin layer of honey oil, probly between a p5 and a gram. I use slides because it is easy to heat them from underneath to get the remaining butane out of the initial opaque gunk.
show me your biology source that proves that cannibinoids are only present 2 weeks after the plant starts to flower. i couldnt find anything to indicate that when i first thought of making honey oil, which is why i tried it with all my trim and old veg leaves. It worked and i've been doing it for almost a year now. I don't know what kind of quality difference honey oil can have; in my experience it has only ever been yeild that varied and taste depended more upon butane brand. We did some with some blue domino buds once and it yeilded like 5 times as much but tasted the same and got us high the same. I like to bake my honey oil into food because even in the water bong i find it's too much, but lots of my friends love it in the bong, and it's great rubbed into weed in joints too. So stop proving urselves to be idiots and try it before you deny this is plausible.
 
Demosthenese

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ok fair point, i am also only talking about female plants and mature female clones, as well as the fan leaves from fully flowered plants. i know less then nothing about male plants.
 
Anjinsan

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Demosthenese said:
yes you can. try it, it works. if it fails then you have wasted a 5 dollar can of butane and you can post a vid of it failing. Until then, i will continue to insist that if you use about a cup of thoroughly dried and powdered plant material you should be able to cover a microscope slide in a thin layer of honey oil, probly between a p5 and a gram. I use slides because it is easy to heat them from underneath to get the remaining butane out of the initial opaque gunk.
show me your biology source that proves that cannibinoids are only present 2 weeks after the plant starts to flower. i couldnt find anything to indicate that when i first thought of making honey oil, which is why i tried it with all my trim and old veg leaves. It worked and i've been doing it for almost a year now. I don't know what kind of quality difference honey oil can have; in my experience it has only ever been yeild that varied and taste depended more upon butane brand. We did some with some blue domino buds once and it yeilded like 5 times as much but tasted the same and got us high the same. I like to bake my honey oil into food because even in the water bong i find it's too much, but lots of my friends love it in the bong, and it's great rubbed into weed in joints too. So stop proving urselves to be idiots and try it before you deny this is plausible.
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All your trim from what? From female plants? From male plants? From plants that were too young to show sex? All of the above?
 
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