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[tilemaster]

Damn Gypsy daily harvest..thats fucking spectacular to have it down to that

 

[GypsyBush]

I like not having TONS of work all at once...

I can trim 3 or 4 lollipops in no time at all... doesn't even phase me... I can do it while I eat dessert...

Transplanting 3 or 4 clones is also a no brainer...

Washing hydroton from 3 or 4 pots is a breeze, and gets done in just a few minutes...

It usually takes me longer to choose which girls are being chopped than to do any other single step of the process...

 

[curious.george]

When I first showed up here a few years back, muddleheaded fans of molasses, CFLs for everything, LEDs and organic nutes were leading earnest new growers down the rosy garden path.

I wasted so much money on this garbage, I wish I had read your posts sooner.

Thanks for all your posts, I don't follow your system 100% as I use Mycorrhizal fungi and coco coir now and very little H2O2, but... Somehow I had really lousy grows until read all your posts (FAQt,ect...) and used your system for a few successful grows. Once I had the baseline of a fully functional grow op based on your model I was able to make a few changes and still get great results. I can not thank you enough for what you have taught me. I will be following this thread for more good information.

 

[GypsyBush]

Hey Al...

I know that the chances of you having time to visit people's thread's is minimal...

So I hope you don't mind a quick hijack for an update...

It's all possible because you... Thanks!!!

I'll give you guys two choices for music...

Both worth not only listening to, but also watching.. after the pictures, of course...

First, in keeping with SZ's Woodstock Kick...

Here is Soul Sacrifice... and worth noting is that the drummer was 19 at the time... KICK ASS SOLO buddy!!!

[youtube]H9sKXDq1zsE[/youtube]

and the other, much more recent, presents a meeting of masters... I believe no one will argue that...

[youtube]pAf3gqdCrDs[/youtube]

Now.. onto the pics...

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[MediMary]

I love you gypsy .. damn.. awesome

 

[orzz]

Thanks GB for the music vids.
You really have a totally sweet set up going on.
I am looking forward to seeing Clapton and Winwood in 2 weeks.

 

[GypsyBush]

Thanks for the kind words guys...

You are always welcome at my journal too... lots and lots of pics...

Anyways...

Cheers..

 

[(Butters)]

In the ebb & flow trays, do the roots get tangled at all?

 

[GypsyBush]

In the ebb & flow trays, do the roots get tangled at all?

Not if you use pots, as I do...

I can move any plant at any time for any reason without having to even think about the roots in the pot...

Now, sometimes, a root strand or two will leave the pot and grow a bit... usually they just get "air pruned"

Hope this helped...

Cheers...

 

[orzz]

In the ebb & flow trays, do the roots get tangled at all?

Mine have because I put down a coco mat. Next time I will cut the mat into pieces just a little bigger than the RW cubes I use.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

Al... you are a GOD!!!!

or at least a really smart fellow...

dood, all I did was apply a liberal dose of google-fu.

You just saved me a HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY!!!!!

farm out, mang.

Do share. What were you able to work out?

Buds look great.

I wasted so much money on this garbage, I wish I had read your posts sooner.

good to hear it.

Thanks for all your posts, I don't follow your system 100% as I use Mycorrhizal fungi and coco coir now and very little H2O2,

You're wasting a bit more dough if you're using a biological pathogen control in conjunction with H2O2. H2O2 will kill the biocontrol fungi, even in very small amounts. I'm not a fan of coir for a couple of reasons; it's an organic material that H2O2 can also break down- and it's not sterile out of the package, as are things like rockwool, Fytocell, etc.

Give those a think.

Hey Al...

I know that the chances of you having time to visit people's thread's is minimal...

So I hope you don't mind a quick hijack for an update...

It's all possible because you... Thanks!!!

You're most welcome.

I do see some leaves with necrotic tissue in between the leaf veins. Often caused by a wandering pH. Make sure that's correct (5.8 ).

In the ebb & flow trays, do the roots get tangled at all?

not if you...

Not if you use pots, as I do...

I can move any plant at any time for any reason without having to even think about the roots in the pot...

Now, sometimes, a root strand or two will leave the pot and grow a bit... usually they just get "air pruned"

yep. Use pots of media in flood trays, don't fill a flood tray full of media. Portability of the plants within the op allows you to put poorer performers in better light and even out growth across each batch. Also allows you to harvest one at a time without disturbing the rootmasses of other plants.

Mine have because I put down a coco mat. Next time I will cut the mat into pieces just a little bigger than the RW cubes I use.

You still need a barrier of some sort, even if you cut the mat into sections. Pots are the way to go.

 

[GypsyBush]

dood, all I did was apply a liberal dose of google-fu.

Are you familiar with www.lmgtfy.com ?

I really deserved one of thise right now...

Do share. What were you able to work out?

They sell 15 gallon/56.8L of 50% for US$120... NOT BAD AT ALL!!!!

Now I just have to figure out how to get it past the last highway and across the lost hills...

I live 400 miles from the nearest road that goes anywhere... Bush Alaska is kinda like the Bush down there... but much colder...

That's where it get's expensive... HAZMAT on planes...

Oh well... at least I am saving a lot on the H2O2...

Buds look great.

They look all right... I consider them second grade still...

I have had one run that I would like to reproduce consistently...

It was one of my bagseed Indicas, I had 48 lollies turn out an average of 20g... under a 600 HPS... I think I want to do that again...

But I fuck up too much...lol...

You can tell by your next comment....

I do see some leaves with necrotic tissue in between the leaf veins. Often caused by a wandering pH. Make sure that's correct (5.8 ).

I am having a HELL of a time with pH...

I strayed into the organic world when I could not get the H2O2 and I lost control of everything...

My pH DROPS fast and often....

For 4 weeks I had to adjust it from 5.1/5.2 back to 6.3 DAILY... sometimes more...

I am now using non organic nutes again, but still have no H2O2 in there...

Is there anything "organic" that could cause this? extreme drops in pH...

....

Thanks for saying something... NO ONE else tells me shit...

...

Now.. have you ever heard of a strain called Cinderella 99?

I got some without even knowing anything about it... I was just told she finishes fast... but I am a dummy...

What do you know???

Cheers Al... and thanks a million, as always you are the one to help me...



Edit:

Oh! could you please point out a pic that shows the necrotic tissue you speak of.. I'm not sure what to look for...

 

[(Butters)]

yep. Use pots of media in flood...

So in using the pots, the roots grow in the pot and stay there (minus a few strays out of fill holes)? What kind of root mass do you see from these? Isn't this too restrictive to root growth (keeping them in small pots only to grow...sorry...i'm a dwc'r so i'm used to massive root growth)? Is there a small/large layer of hydroton between the bottom of the pot and the rockwool cube to allow for root growth?

 

[GypsyBush]

So in using the pots, the roots grow in the pot and stay there (minus a few strays out of fill holes)? What kind of root mass do you see from these? Isn't this too restrictive to root growth (keeping them in small pots only to grow...sorry...i'm a dwc'r so i'm used to massive root growth)? Is there a small/large layer of hydroton between the bottom of the pot and the rockwool cube to allow for root growth?

I'm getting at least 1g/w on average... and I use very small pots, smaller than Al's... so yeah, it works..

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[(Butters)]

Crap. Totally forgot about that picture! My apologies for not doing appropriate research 1st. Thank you gypsy.

 

[GypsyBush]

No worries Bro!

I am glad Al created those images... I couldn't tell you how many times I have visited his gallery to copy the images onto other threads...

A picture is worth a thousand words....

 

[Al B. Fuct]

Are you familiar with www.lmgtfy.com ?

I really deserved one of thise right now...

qute, that. I try not to be too dicky about shit like that. To be honest, it took a bit of sniffing around to find chem suppliers and then a bit more to find one which published a line card with H2O2 on it.

They sell 15 gallon/56.8L of 50% for US$120... NOT BAD AT ALL!!!!

you BAHstid. You're getting it cheaper than me.

Now I just have to figure out how to get it past the last highway and across the lost hills...

4WD, dood.

I live 400 miles from the nearest road that goes anywhere... Bush Alaska is kinda like the Bush down there... but much colder...

Bush AK would be mucho more difficult. I do live out bush and you DO need 4wd with at least 8" of ground clearance to get to my place (two streams to ford) but you never stand a chance of freezing ya nads off if ya get stuck.

That's where it get's expensive... HAZMAT on planes...

You bet it would. Don't envy ya one bit.

Oh well... at least I am saving a lot on the H2O2...

Yeah, if the transport costs would'nt suck me dry, I'd be having you send me some at your 'local' prices.

I am having a HELL of a time with pH...

I strayed into the organic world when I could not get the H2O2 and I lost control of everything...

My pH DROPS fast and often....

Yep, that's the usual story of 'organic' growers, but I understand why ya done wot ya done.

For 4 weeks I had to adjust it from 5.1/5.2 back to 6.3 DAILY... sometimes more...

Most likely that there's some big pathogen load in the system as organic/competing microbe pathogen control doesn't usually work so well.

However, what I usually see in an infected system is the pH jumping up, not dropping.

I am now using non organic nutes again, but still have no H2O2 in there...

With luck, you'll get some H2O2 in there soon and things will level out. You may have trouble with the batch you ran organically, but once that's been harvested, subsequent batches should do better.

Is there anything "organic" that could cause this? extreme drops in pH...

There's so many different organic sauces that I can't keep track of what they are and what effects they'll have. However, like I said, the pH usually goes up, not down.

Now.. have you ever heard of a strain called Cinderella 99?

Yeah, but it's been years since I've seen any. Don't recall what the characters of C99 were.

Oh! could you please point out a pic that shows the necrotic tissue you speak of.. I'm not sure what to look for...

'necrotic' simply means 'dead.' I'm talking about the pix with the dead spots on the leaves, between the leaf veins, while the leaf margins remain green.

So in using the pots, the roots grow in the pot and stay there (minus a few strays out of fill holes)?

Any roots that poke out of the drain holes will be pruned by exposure to air.

What kind of root mass do you see from these?

Enough for the plant!

Isn't this too restrictive to root growth (keeping them in small pots only to grow...sorry...i'm a dwc'r so i'm used to massive root growth)?

In SoG systems, where the plants are flowered immediately after setting root (zero veg time between clones setting root and flowering them), the rootmasses don't get very large because the plants don't get very large. All quite deliberate. SoG produces a plant of rather short stature, about 30-40" at finishing. This is done to tailor the plant to the foliar penetration capability of indoor lighting. Tall plants are not the indoor grower's friend!

Is there a small/large layer of hydroton between the bottom of the pot and the rockwool cube to allow for root growth?

Not in my systems, because I don't use clay pellets at all. I use cheap black plastic 175mm x 175mm pots (as you'd otherwise use for potting soil) with about 25mm of rockwool floc tightly packed in the bottoms of the pots, with the remainder of the pot filled wtih Fytocell. Fytocell is a crumbled foam material. The small bits will escape via the drain holes if there's no RW floc packed in the pot bottoms.

In flood systems using pots of pellets, the dwg is accurate. The idea of the 1/2" gap between the cube bottom and the flood level is to prevent saturating the RW cube. It's easy to kill new plants, recently introduced to a flood/pellet system if the RW cube is touched by the flood level. Roots in pellets can be flooded several times per lights-on. Roots in a medium which retains more water than pellets (i.e. rw floc, Fytocell) can generally only tolerate being flooded 1x/day, 2x for large, advanced plants. In a SoG system,plants never get all that big, so 1x/day is sufficient in the majority of cases.

 

[MediMary]

nice to have u stop by al.. hey GB how do I post videos so they show up like urs.. usually i get something like http://www.youtube.com/jajdfajjajeifjaj

 

[GypsyBush]

qute, that. I try not to be too dicky about shit like that.

I hear you... but it is funny at the right time...

To be honest, it took a bit of sniffing around to find chem suppliers and then a bit more to find one which published a line card with H2O2 on it.

I appreciate the fact that you did, cause I looked around and called around... but only in a "horticultural" context...

Thanks for taking the search a few steps further...

you BAHstid. You're getting it cheaper than me.

I'm not complaining...

And it looks like they're not about to stop selling it either...

4WD, dood.

uhh... think Dog Sled.... think being on the trail for weeks...

Of course there's airplanes, but I know a few people that have done the trip by snowmachine.... but it's still a very dangerous week long trip through some of the most remote regions of Alaska...

Bush AK would be mucho more difficult

Much of it is like the Sahara, but frozen... with snow drifts moving around much like dunes... in the winter time...

And in the Summer, it all turns to mush... a swamp... one giant tea bag... the Tundra...

It's hard to get around if it's not winter time... thank goodness we have plenty of it...

I do live out bush and you DO need 4wd with at least 8" of ground clearance to get to my place (two streams to ford) but you never stand a chance of freezing ya nads off if ya get stuck.

I would LOVE to come visit... for more than one reason...

One day I'll make it Down Under...

And you are right... Bush Alaska is a risky place, freeze and die or die and freeze... I forget which..

But, with experience and the right gear, Winter turns Alaska into a huge playground...

You can go anywhere... over land and even water...

I have fished for Halibut 35 miles off shore, in the Bearing Sea...

Not by boat... by snowmobile... that's a long ways from land...

I love it!!!! I love it!!!! I love it!!!!!

Yeah, if the transport costs would'nt suck me dry, I'd be having you send me some at your 'local' prices.

Shipping sucks... it is sooo expensive... especially on the more remote villages... most of the time, the shipping greatly surpasses the cost of the actual item....

$2 for 1 orange?
$8 for a jug of milk?
$6 for 12 eggs?
$12 for a gallon of gas?
$6 per Kw of energy?
$600 to 650 for a light oz?
$50 for a light gram? light meaning it does not weigh what it is supposed to...

may not sound too bad for you out there... but you show these numbers to someone Outside (lower 48 states) and they would freak!

Yep, that's the usual story of 'organic' growers, but I understand why ya done wot ya done.

I done fuck up is what I done...

Most likely that there's some big pathogen load in the system as organic/competing microbe pathogen control doesn't usually work so well.

It's weird... for 3 days the 70 gal res was stable.. then I go in there and it went from 5.9 to 5.0 in less than 12 hours... on a less than week old batch of nutes...

However, what I usually see in an infected system is the pH jumping up, not dropping.

I wonder if I have an over population of the "good bacteria"...??

My plants are, well, you saw them... do they look diseased? roots are never slimy, but I must say that some are deff. more white than others...

I mean, I get a few runts here and there, but I think they look ok, yeah?!

With luck, you'll get some H2O2 in there soon and things will level out. You may have trouble with the batch you ran organically, but once that's been harvested, subsequent batches should do better.

I am pretty confident in the H2O2...

I just hate hurting my girls... I have too many to give them names and shit, but I still care and want them to be healthy..

There's so many different organic sauces that I can't keep track of what they are and what effects they'll have. However, like I said, the pH usually goes up, not down.

I have heard that more than once... but mine drops like lead on a pool...

I have quit using pH up... now I just drain 1/4 res and fill with fresh water (7.1pH)....

it sucks but I cannot be buying gallons of pH up... it's ridiculous...

Yeah, but it's been years since I've seen any. Don't recall what the characters of C99 were.

I keep hearing how fast she is supposed to finish... and the taste and blah blah blah...

We'll see when she is done....

'necrotic' simply means 'dead.' I'm talking about the pix with the dead spots on the leaves, between the leaf veins, while the leaf margins remain green.

I see...

Hopefully the pH stabilizing after the H2O2 will cure this issue...

Thanks a BUNCH Al...

 

[SOG]

hey GB how do I post videos so they show up like urs..

you need to post only the clip portion of the link (after the equals sign (=))
then place in you tube brackets like this

for example

your link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[COLOR=Blue]8JryQXilMj4[/COLOR]

code you will need to post
[youtube][COLOR=Blue]8JryQXilMj4[/COLOR][/youtube ]

here is what will show

[youtube]8JryQXilMj4[/youtube]