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[FilthyFletch]

Anyone who tries to fall back on saying we went in to Iraq for oil is just clueless to reality. As stated we do not get the Iraqi oil we get it from the above named sources and the oil we do get we can not refine fast enough since Clinton thought a great way to save money would be to demolish 8 of our refineries instead of temp closing or refurbing them. It amazes me how un aware of reality some people are with thier hatred towards conflcit that they would let that block all actual facts with this fantasy that we would go into a place like Iraq for oil when there are way simplier less costly ways to get oils then to ever even consider that. Jesues the pres gave 3 exact reasons he wanted to go in proved 2 in the matter of a month and found enough evidence to show reason 3 was a valid concerns yet the blind sayy nooo its for oil come on now little reality and thought process people.

 

[tipsgnob]

Anyone who tries to fall back on saying we went in to Iraq for oil is just clueless to reality. As stated we do not get the Iraqi oil we get it from the above named sources and the oil we do get we can not refine fast enough since Clinton thought a great way to save money would be to demolish 8 of our refineries instead of temp closing or refurbing them. It amazes me how un aware of reality some people are with thier hatred towards conflcit that they would let that block all actual facts with this fantasy that we would go into a place like Iraq for oil when there are way simplier less costly ways to get oils then to ever even consider that. Jesues the pres gave 3 exact reasons he wanted to go in proved 2 in the matter of a month and found enough evidence to show reason 3 was a valid concerns yet the blind sayy nooo its for oil come on now little reality and thought process people.

exactly what I'm saying...we fought his war for the big oil companies and what did we get from it...death and debt...what were the 3 reasons the pres gave?

 

[FilthyFletch]

You make statements like you do an do not even know the 3 stated reason before the envasion was even made? That speech was on every channel before and after the ernvasion. You really have to stop as you clearly have no knowledge of this topic. Go back a few pages and read my long history post which went into depth on this but I will do a quick posting of those 3 reason again and for backing and more facts on those please go back a few pages and read the thread post.
Reason stated
1. Saddam was funding and allowing safe haven for terrorist groups which was a violation of the original Desert war treaty (not to mention breaking the embargo with illeagl trade with France via Unicef).

2 Saddam was practiceing genocidial techniques through mass murder of the Kurds in a cleansing process he wanted as he felt them as unpure and against his nation.( oops found the mass graves of over 275000 murder kurds) remember hitler and ww2?
3 Intelligence shows reason to belive saddam had manufactured nuclear and biological long range war heads..A violation of the desert storm and United Nations emposed sanctions.(refinerys were found to have radioactive traces,reciepts for the nmissiles parts from france via unbicef were found in Iraq, Saddam was found with large US currency while truck movement just before were seen and shown going into Iran who now grew some balls why maybe some new toys? )

Found the genocidal graves,found his terrorist allowed strong holds and found a good amount of evidence to support the nuclear long range weapons with evidence showing he sold to Iran for money to flee with since he knew he was done in Iraq..

 

[CrackerJax]

I love it where Tips doesn't even bother to read the posts he responds to...

 

[FilthyFletch]

I mean Im not looking to fight on it but geezus its common knowledge that some that like to yell oil oil oil do not even bother to acknowledge.It scares me to think those like that have access to pointy objects. Its so funny how Iran a non Nuclear developing country all of the sudden has a nuclear division 5 years after the Iraq war..hmmm disovered how to make uranium , refine it, build a power plant, and a war division in less then any highly advanced technological unhindered country in history...its like someone handed them the stuff and blueprints...oh wait Iraq did.

 

[tipsgnob]

You make statements like you do an do not even know the 3 stated reason before the envasion was even made? That speech was on every channel before and after the ernvasion. You really have to stop as you clearly have no knowledge of this topic. Go back a few pages and read my long history post which went into depth on this but I will do a quick posting of those 3 reason again and for backing and more facts on those please go back a few pages and read the thread post.
Reason stated
1. Saddam was funding and allowing safe haven for terrorist groups which was a violation of the original Desert war treaty (not to mention breaking the embargo with illeagl trade with France via Unicef).

2 Saddam was practiceing genocidial techniques through mass murder of the Kurds in a cleansing process he wanted as he felt them as unpure and against his nation.( oops found the mass graves of over 275000 murder kurds) remember hitler and ww2?
3 Intelligence shows reason to belive saddam had manufactured nuclear and biological long range war heads..A violation of the desert storm and United Nations emposed sanctions.(refinerys were found to have radioactive traces,reciepts for the nmissiles parts from france via unbicef were found in Iraq, Saddam was found with large US currency while truck movement just before were seen and shown going into Iran who now grew some balls why maybe some new toys? )

Found the genocidal graves,found his terrorist allowed strong holds and found a good amount of evidence to support the nuclear long range weapons with evidence showing he sold to Iran for money to flee with since he knew he was done in Iraq..

the US was apparently harboring terrorist also...remember 9/11?
the kurds were trying overthrow the government...what would happen in the US if a large group of people were trying to overthrow the government...?
no wmds were ever found....how does work? hey iran..."I know were mortal enemies....but....could you watch my wmds while those pesky americans are invading my country"?
I think your full of shit....

 

[tipsgnob]

I love it where Tips doesn't even bother to read the posts he responds to...

that's why I always read yours, there always short and to the point........

 

[FilthyFletch]

Yeah thats it so in your mind the US allowed terrorist training camps and gave them money for thier weapons right here in the US..You have to be joking or retarded to say that....How does that work hey iran..well both mortal US enemies.Both Opportunist..Iran wanted nuclear technology saddahm had it and needed cash since his flow was blocked and siezed by the coalition. so one muslim US hater to another US enemy wanting the nukes. I am done here and want the US destroyed I will sell you oiur nuclears for money.. pretty simple...Next you ll try to tell me pportunist nations who are blocked and emabrgoed don't do whatever comes up to gain what they want and need right..Iran would be like noo we can not buy your nuclear program secrtes for pennies on the dollar to help get power to use against oiur most hated enemy the US. What your introuble and just need cash and will ship them right over the border..noo thats wrong of us cause we are not friends...Come on seriously your gonna say that with a straight face and then try to drive a car???NO wmds found? we found reactive materials, we found recipts fro long range missle parts to carry the war heads. we found bank transactions for nuclear power plant parts from France....So in your mind Clinton and the US gave terroist funding in the US and allowed terroristic training camps to be openly be held on US soil...Opportunist countries who hate the US more then each other and share the common Muslim middle east bond wont do whatever to survive or get around ermbargos and the kurds who have litttle to no power or major threatening ability mind you most were women children and old men need to be rounded up gased with expiremental biologial and chemical agents by Chemical Ali in order to stop there dislike for saddam a world leader with a great military force who ran the country...come on now who is full of shit..no one with any mental capacity is gonna believe that crock your pushing

 

[FilthyFletch]

And if you follow up with Obama is doing a good job I will just have to write you off as retarded

 

[tipsgnob]

Yeah thats it so in your mind the US allowed terrorist training camps and gave them money for thier weapons right here in the US..You have to be joking or retarded to say that....How does that work hey iran..well both mortal US enemies.Both Opportunist..Iran wanted nuclear technology saddahm had it and needed cash since his flow was blocked and siezed by the coalition. so one muslim US hater to another US enemy wanting the nukes. I am done here and want the US destroyed I will sell you oiur nuclears for money.. pretty simple...Next you ll try to tell me pportunist nations who are blocked and emabrgoed don't do whatever comes up to gain what they want and need right..Iran would be like noo we can not buy your nuclear program secrtes for pennies on the dollar to help get power to use against oiur most hated enemy the US. What your introuble and just need cash and will ship them right over the border..noo thats wrong of us cause we are not friends...Come on seriously your gonna say that with a straight face and then try to drive a car???NO wmds found? we found reactive materials, we found recipts fro long range missle parts to carry the war heads. we found bank transactions for nuclear power plant parts from France....So in your mind Clinton and the US gave terroist funding in the US and allowed terroristic training camps to be openly be held on US soil...Opportunist countries who hate the US more then each other and share the common Muslim middle east bond wont do whatever to survive or get around ermbargos and the kurds who have litttle to no power or major threatening ability mind you most were women children and old men need to be rounded up gased with expiremental biologial and chemical agents by Chemical Ali in order to stop there dislike for saddam a world leader with a great military force who ran the country...come on now who is full of shit..no one with any mental capacity is gonna believe that crock your pushing

Saddam was found with large US currency.....
nuclear technology saddahm had it and needed cash since his flow was blocked and siezed by the coalition....
which was it? saddam had money or saddam didn't have money....?

 

[FilthyFletch]

So you cant read very good either.Its like talking to a 12 year old. Lets go slow so you can folow even though its very clearly put up several times.....Sadddam who was the leader of Iraq right? He was under attack and on the run right? He had no money and needed cash to flee..with me so far I know its hard..He had the nuclear heads and equiptment IRAN wanted and they had the cash he needed..had to be liquid assets so he could use it freely...He sold the stuff to Iran who hates the US just as much and they took cash they had and gave it to Saddam...Ok Im trying to go slow now..Saddam then had cash assets which ..keep up now..we caught him in possession with in the hole in the ground...see we stopped his money already but he did a thing called selling and got new cash for his nuclear technology....if you can not follow this then you need to get back in school. This was stated several time very clearly in this thread pl,ease read before commenting saves us time and saves you some face..

 

[SmokeyMcSmokester]

arent the banks giving all the money back...with interest??

 

[natrone23]

So you cant read very good either.Its like talking to a 12 year old. Lets go slow so you can folow even though its very clearly put up several times.....Sadddam who was the leader of Iraq right? He was under attack and on the run right? He had no money and needed cash to flee..with me so far I know its hard..He had the nuclear heads and equiptment IRAN wanted and they had the cash he needed..had to be liquid assets so he could use it freely...He sold the stuff to Iran who hates the US just as much and they took cash they had and gave it to Saddam...Ok Im trying to go slow now..Saddam then had cash assets which ..keep up now..we caught him in possession with in the hole in the ground...see we stopped his money already but he did a thing called selling and got new cash for his nuclear technology....if you can not follow this then you need to get back in school. This was stated several time very clearly in this thread pl,ease read before commenting saves us time and saves you some face..

I would like to see your evidence that saddam sold nuke technology to Iran.

 

[FilthyFletch]

You ll have to giuve me a bit of time to dig up links to all the footage and sattelite scans and the information. But in the mean time can you show me how Iran leap frogged advanced nations to a full nuclear program in less then 5 years and show me how saddam would have goteen the millions he was found with when all ways of his finacial assets were frozen and seized. just so we are fair and then if anyone who yells it was for the oil can show bit of evidence to support that opr show where that oil is at that we did this for but never used Id be happy to see that also.Ill go find some links many can be found on cnn and the bbc that will show the sattalite movement of trucks into Iran from Irag and then there should still be story links showing the finding of france and unicef illegal sales of long range missle parts and techonolgy to carry these and I will look for few stories on the nuclkear steam and radiation we found coming from nuclkear plants. Would that be sufficient to show where my statement came from. Other then Iran saying they bought the nukes thats what your gonna get but the greatest evidence is that a non nuclear blocked country has a full nuclear program in under 5 years which as we know is not possible from scratch dues to enrichment times.

 

[bicycle racer]

sigh...............

 

[natrone23]

Y show me how saddam would have goteen the millions he was found with when all ways of his finacial assets were frozen and seized. j.

Saddam had vaults full of american cash, The cash he had on him when he was on the run is nothing compared to the cash he had access too. The money he had on him. He didn't need to sell anything for his escape money there was plenty of greenbacks available

 

[FilthyFletch]

But you realise he did not have time or the ability to take that cash with him right? You aslo remember that all of his vaults were seized right away as first target to prevent him from getting it and hundreds of millions of his private moeny was seiezed along with the countries lines of finacing that were frozen and all web access jammed so no chance to wire funds? So he elft with what he had and what he could get together on the run. I will also post once I have it again a link where it was shown the serial numbers on alot of the money was able to be traced back to origins within Iran as it was used to buy good from Iran by other countries and large bundles of cash for international usage are logged and the serial kept on record for these type of situations. Those bills if the make it back into US circulation would be flagged at banks returned to the government and burned and replaced or if needed held for evidence then burned but would not go back into circulation as they are serialed and flagged as international used USD currency. This applies to large sums no like 50 grand

 

[PadawanBater]

You ll have to giuve me a bit of time to dig up links to all the footage and sattelite scans and the information. But in the mean time can you show me how Iran leap frogged advanced nations to a full nuclear program in less then 5 years and show me how saddam would have goteen the millions he was found with when all ways of his finacial assets were frozen and seized. just so we are fair and then if anyone who yells it was for the oil can show bit of evidence to support that opr show where that oil is at that we did this for but never used Id be happy to see that also.Ill go find some links many can be found on cnn and the bbc that will show the sattalite movement of trucks into Iran from Irag and then there should still be story links showing the finding of france and unicef illegal sales of long range missle parts and techonolgy to carry these and I will look for few stories on the nuclkear steam and radiation we found coming from nuclkear plants. Would that be sufficient to show where my statement came from. Other then Iran saying they bought the nukes thats what your gonna get but the greatest evidence is that a non nuclear blocked country has a full nuclear program in under 5 years which as we know is not possible from scratch dues to enrichment times.

OK, dude, I have one question for you then, if you really believe all this stuff you're saying...

Why don't we give a fuck about Darfur? Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions displaced... why don't we have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground there? Why aren't we doing anything other than sending small portions of aid and miniscule amounts of cash to the area to help the millions of people the conflict is affecting?

I bring that up because earlier you stated that one of Bush's reasons for the invasion of Iraq was because he killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds, something I don't disagree with, the thing I disagree with is how you go from one guy killing a ton of people and the US stepping in and saying it's wrong, but then when some other guy does the exact same shit, even worse, the US does almost nothing and there's not a peep out of you...

See how that works, all the people who are saying the Iraqi invasion was justified don't seem to look at the bigger picture, there are bad guys who kill thousands of people all the time all over the world, guess what, some of those guys are leaders of countries we're allied with, howbout Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, dozens of African nations, I could go on and on man... That's not what matters. So you can go on and on about using that reason to justify your illegal war if you want, but that shit doesn't fly with me, the reason just turned into an excuse for the last embarrassing administration to use, and that's all it ever was, an excuse. If you're going to invade and 'liberate' a nation based on the actions of it's leaders, you're ass is going to have a lot of invading to do. Even if that reason was real and they were actually telling the truth about it instead of just using it to make simple minded people believe we're the good guys and they're the bad guys, it still wouldn't be justified, because... really, who the fuck are we to tell anyone else how to live? Likewise, who the fuck is the US government to tell me how to live... Enough of this policing everyone bullshit.

So, there ya go man, answer me that, why do you care so much about the poor ol' Kurds, but when it comes to any starving or oppressed African or Asian out there... nothin. Where's the invasion for them? Where's their liberation?

 

[natrone23]

But you realise he did not have time or the ability to take that cash with him right?

He had all the ability and plenty of time to take cash with him. He probaly had that cash under his bed man. Every palace we took over the troops found suitcases and suit cases full of cash, diamond incrusted Ak-47s. Alot of the money was distributed to the bathist for the future insurgency operations.

The troops find 600million behind a false wall in some neigborhood April 23 2003 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worldbiz/archives/2003/04/24/203339/print

 

[hom36rown]

OK, dude, I have one question for you then, if you really believe all this stuff you're saying...

Why don't we give a fuck about Darfur? Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions displaced... why don't we have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground there? Why aren't we doing anything other than sending small portions of aid and miniscule amounts of cash to the area to help the millions of people the conflict is affecting?

I bring that up because earlier you stated that one of Bush's reasons for the invasion of Iraq was because he killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds, something I don't disagree with, the thing I disagree with is how you go from one guy killing a ton of people and the US stepping in and saying it's wrong, but then when some other guy does the exact same shit, even worse, the US does almost nothing and there's not a peep out of you...

See how that works, all the people who are saying the Iraqi invasion was justified don't seem to look at the bigger picture, there are bad guys who kill thousands of people all the time all over the world, guess what, some of those guys are leaders of countries we're allied with, howbout Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, dozens of African nations, I could go on and on man... That's not what matters. So you can go on and on about using that reason to justify your illegal war if you want, but that shit doesn't fly with me, the reason just turned into an excuse for the last embarrassing administration to use, and that's all it ever was, an excuse. If you're going to invade and 'liberate' a nation based on the actions of it's leaders, you're ass is going to have a lot of invading to do. Even if that reason was real and they were actually telling the truth about it instead of just using it to make simple minded people believe we're the good guys and they're the bad guys, it still wouldn't be justified, because... really, who the fuck are we to tell anyone else how to live? Likewise, who the fuck is the US government to tell me how to live... Enough of this policing everyone bullshit.

So, there ya go man, answer me that, why do you care so much about the poor ol' Kurds, but when it comes to any starving or oppressed African or Asian out there... nothin. Where's the invasion for them? Where's their liberation?

Because Darfur does not have any oil, and it wouldn't give us military bases in the middle east? Nah, that can't be it.