Why are Americans so afraid of Socialism?

CrackerJax

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All of which need to be fixed, I went to a inner city public school I believe I go a decent education. Try getting the same education in another country such as Haiti, you will appreciate the system that we have now. The system is flawed but works to a extent. Another problem is the students, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. Medicare and Medicaid were NEVER supposed to be used in the way that we use it now when it was conceived.
The abysmal publik skool system is not that way for lack of funds..... we throw GOBS of it down the tubes every year. It is INEFFICIENT.

I agree that medicare and medicaid weren't intended that way, but that is exactly my point. It all starts with good intentions, like the road to hell. Nothing outperforms the private sector.
 

Twistyman

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Medicare and Medicaid were NEVER supposed to be used in the way that we use it now when it was conceived.
That is the fly in the ointment for sure.. there are lots here that go to the hosp. when they shouldn't thus increasing costs.... but its more a shortage in general family Drs......
 

Anjinsan

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I don't think that people are afraid of socialism...we are just smart enough to know that we have a very inefficient government. Criminally inefficient if you ask me. Nationalized healthcare is a joke. There will STILL be tens of millions of uninsured citizens of this country...and it will cost us trillions upon trillions of dollars. (Because if the Government says something will cost 1.6 trillion...double that to get the low estimate of it's actual cost)
 

dontexist21

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I don't think that people are afraid of socialism...we are just smart enough to know that we have a very inefficient government. Criminally inefficient if you ask me. Nationalized healthcare is a joke. There will STILL be tens of millions of uninsured citizens of this country...and it will cost us trillions upon trillions of dollars. (Because if the Government says something will cost 1.6 trillion...double that to get the low estimate of it's actual cost)
I will say this again, we actually pay more for health care when everyone is NOT insured then when everyone is. People get sick to the point of dead since they cannot afford health care, go on medicare or medicaid, now the government has to pay to keep them from dieing. It is A LOT cheaper to keep someone healthy then to keep them from dieing. The system we have now is already criminal. Look at Sweden's health care system, look at ours, which one is more efficient.
 

CrackerJax

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That is the fly in the ointment for sure.. there are lots here that go to the hosp. when they shouldn't thus increasing costs.... but its more a shortage in general family Drs......
But the very reason why there is a shortage of Dr.s is because of the Govt. interference in their careers. Most don't want the headaches involved and the ever hungry tort lawyers ready to rape them at the slightest mistake made. This is exactly what they just asked Obama to curb...he said NO.
 

dontexist21

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But the very reason why there is a shortage of Dr.s is because of the Govt. interference in their careers. Most don't want the headaches involved and the ever hungry tort lawyers ready to rape them at the slightest mistake made. This is exactly what they just asked Obama to curb...he said NO.
One of the main reasons that we have a shortage of gen Dr. is because Medschool is so expensive, especially after going through undergrad. People want to get the most amount of money out of their education as fast as possible. Make education cheaper, get more doctors. I thought Obama said he would help in his speech, could be wrong, not like he can do anything. Its all up to congress. I have a belief that tort lawyers are a major part reason we don't have enough family dr.
 

CrackerJax

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It's the insurance pal...the liability insurance and the paperwork to the Govt. You can pay off your loans, but the rest stays with you forever..... and grows. That's what the AMA was trying to get thru Obama's head but he would have none of it. he doesn't want to fix private health care. He wants to demonize and get rid of it
 

Twistyman

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But the very reason why there is a shortage of Dr.s is because of the Govt. interference in their careers. Most don't want the headaches involved and the ever hungry tort lawyers ready to rape them at the slightest mistake made. This is exactly what they just asked Obama to curb...he said NO.
Thats an anti socl. spin..its just a general shortage everywhere in a growing industry..look at the way the US is here offering the world to our med grads.. lawyers is 1,000 x more a US issue than here.... here our Drs. make the same taking away that pick and chose who they'll treat...
I've sat in my Drs. waiting room with Dick Irving (TV personality, father was Montreal Habs coach),and an actor once.. My shoulder surgeon was the Expo.s team Dr. who fixed pro league pitchers.....
I get the same great care they get............
 

CrackerJax

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yes indeed just look at the ratios of lawyers to doctors...one is the pirahna and one is the guppy. The Govt. breeds the Pirahna to take the guppies domain away from them. The Govt. wants the control. I'm not comfortable with that at all.
 

dontexist21

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It's the insurance pal...the liability insurance and the paperwork to the Govt. You can pay off your loans, but the rest stays with you forever..... and grows. That's what the AMA was trying to get thru Obama's head but he would have none of it. he doesn't want to fix private health care. He wants to demonize and get rid of it
I just do not see how you can fix the system without having national health care, with other things. If anyone can give me a alternative, I would like to hear it.
 

CrackerJax

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Lawdy son, just get the Govt. to back off of health care for starters. remove the red tape. get rid of the Tort lawyers and watch the costs plummet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with private medicine that cannot be fixed.
 

Cap K

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We are afraid of socialism because it conjurs up images of the former USSR an Cuba, not to mention that a nation of socialists is also a nation of atheists. Godlessness, which is the real culpret for the decay of everything. In any case, we should fear socialism because it's closer than you might think and it's riding in on a horse we know as the Federal Reserve Bank.
 

robert 14617

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it almost looks like our leader is breaking our back through this bail out thing and the only way to save our way of life will be to have a world bank type of bail out
 

dontexist21

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Lawdy son, just get the Govt. to back off of health care for starters. remove the red tape. get rid of the Tort lawyers and watch the costs plummet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with private medicine that cannot be fixed.
Private issuance companies have no reason do drive down health care prices. It goes against the rational of a free market. So we still have the problem with people not being able to afford health care. Private issuance companies have shown multiple times in history that they are willing to take your money and when you get sick not fork over the money. Free market has shown not always worked, that is why you still need regulation. Tort lawyers will never go away, doctors are humans and do stupid things. That does not mean they should have such high insurance. This is another area where regulation is due.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Hi BT....



How about paying for all the heart attacks..strokes caused by money hungry food industries....... nothing to do with sloth or gluttony... because of high profits and the cost of GOOD food 70% of the US/Canada can't afford to eat right and are left with poor alternatives...
or for the lung transplants from their pollution..thats why they go to third world countries..they can kill there with no penalty ....

and maybe if the Govt paid for and controlled a few industries maybe some companies might actually stay here and provide jobs..instead of slitting the US work forces throats to make a buck.....

I'm not saying blanket socialism like you talk about above, I agree thats no way to go..but health and education... you can say its smoking, drinking..but it may have been the pollution that was the "last straw" for that person, the poor food that they can only afford, or they can't afford preemptive health care ..
that blame can't be assigned to one toxic behavior when the air industries pump are are 10 fold that self chosen risk...

What about education...look at the US education standards and how they are losing ground to countries that pay or offer cheap ed.

I'm just lucky ..I was hit by a drunk driver..I sued him... and have had 8 major ops since and it cost 0..why should I have to use the $$ I got from suing to fix myself.... even now everything from Rx to transport is paid and was... since 1975 when I was hit..how long would I have been able (even with ins.) to cont. w/out free care..
and as sure as God made little green apple..everyone will get sick and need care...usually at the latter stages in their life..why should they end up eating cat food to pay a rich Dr.
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There it is the truth behind socialism. GREED, GREED, GREED

All about you isn't it?

About how you shouldn't have to pay, even though you sued to get the money.

The idea behind lawsuits isn't that you get to file them for arbitrary reasons (like being an imbecile that spills McDonald's coffee on themselves.)

The idea is that you file them to recoup the cost of damage done to you, thus the difference between compensatory damages and punitive damages. Perhaps you should go talk to your lawyer some more, because they obviously didn't explain to you how the legal system works.

Compensatory damages are to compensate you for losses (such as having to pay for the surgeries)

Punitive damages are to punish the driver. Most of the damages you got were probably compensatory.


Then there's your stance on food. Let me guess, you're fat but it's not your fault. It's those EVIL CORPORATIONS who did it to you.

Wait, maybe you just have 3 kids because those EVIL CORPORATIONS didn't instruct you how to use their condoms while holding your hand.

For some one trying to talk about a society built around the idea of sharing you sure do sound like one greedy person.

"I'm just lucky ..I was hit by a drunk driver..I sued him... and have had 8 major ops since and it cost 0..why should I have to use the $$ I got from suing to fix myself."

To quote you.

Because that's what the idea behind the lawsuit is for. To compensate you for your injury.

If you didn't get injured, you wouldn't have been able to file a suit.

"What about education...look at the US education standards and how they are losing ground to countries that pay or offer cheap ed."

Have you actually done any research.

4th Grade US students (before the brainwashing really gets going) are in the top 5.

By the time they graduate from highschool they are in below 25th.

The public education system is a failed experiment built around a unionized industrial process that is full of child-rapists and pedophiles.

The best colleges in the US are private, Harvard, Yale, MIT, and the list goes on.

Stop talking out of your ass and go do some research.
 

dontexist21

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We are afraid of socialism because it conjurs up images of the former USSR an Cuba, not to mention that a nation of socialists is also a nation of atheists. Godlessness, which is the real culpret for the decay of everything. In any case, we should fear socialism because it's closer than you might think and it's riding in on a horse we know as the Federal Reserve Bank.
How does being a atheists lead to the demise of society. So all atheists are corrupt horrible people. USSR was communist, Cuba is a dictatorship-socialist. Why not look at Sweden which is Democratic-Socialist.
 

dontexist21

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There it is the truth behind socialism. GREED, GREED, GREED

All about you isn't it?

About how you shouldn't have to pay, even though you sued to get the money.

The idea behind lawsuits isn't that you get to file them for arbitrary reasons (like being an imbecile that spills McDonald's coffee on themselves.)

The idea is that you file them to recoup the cost of damage done to you, thus the difference between compensatory damages and punitive damages. Perhaps you should go talk to your lawyer some more, because they obviously didn't explain to you how the legal system works.

Compensatory damages are to compensate you for losses (such as having to pay for the surgeries)

Punitive damages are to punish the driver. Most of the damages you got were probably compensatory.


Then there's your stance on food. Let me guess, you're fat but it's not your fault. It's those EVIL CORPORATIONS who did it to you.

Wait, maybe you just have 3 kids because those EVIL CORPORATIONS didn't instruct you how to use their condoms while holding your hand.

For some one trying to talk about a society built around the idea of sharing you sure do sound like one greedy person.

"I'm just lucky ..I was hit by a drunk driver..I sued him... and have had 8 major ops since and it cost 0..why should I have to use the $$ I got from suing to fix myself."

To quote you.

Because that's what the idea behind the lawsuit is for. To compensate you for your injury.

If you didn't get injured, you wouldn't have been able to file a suit.

"What about education...look at the US education standards and how they are losing ground to countries that pay or offer cheap ed."

Have you actually done any research.

4th Grade US students (before the brainwashing really gets going) are in the top 5.

By the time they graduate from highschool they are in below 25th.

The public education system is a failed experiment built around a unionized industrial process that is full of child-rapists and pedophiles.

The best colleges in the US are private, Harvard, Yale, MIT, and the list goes on.

Stop talking out of your ass and go do some research.
Ivy League schools might be great but there are plenty of public schools that can compete with them on a academic level. If we didn't have public school how could a majority of citizens be educated.
 

Cap K

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it was against the law to publicly practice religion, in fact follow any religion in the USSR as it is in China
 

Cap K

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Also if you think godlessness has nothing to do with the decay of society soon enough you may find out otherwise.
 
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