Chicago protest against Obama

[Microdizzey]

Few more pics here: http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/peace_freedom/patriots_and_protesters/news.php?q=1247249620

 

[Dolce Vita]

haha "the change sucks" that was the best one
+rep

 

[jrh72582]

Some of those signs were hilarious!

 

[ViRedd]

Oh yeah! I'd LOVE to have a bumper sticker that reads: THE CHANGE SUCKS!

 

[jrh72582]

Or, "I'm not even 2 and I'm already in debt" for those with young children.

 

[jrh72582]

Oh yeah! I'd LOVE to have a bumper sticker that reads: THE CHANGE SUCKS!

http://www.makestickers.com/

 

[tip top toker]

i loved the "why pay taxes when thye can just print money" picture, liking it a lot!

 

[hanimmal]

cracks me up how people just regurgitate what they are told from the talking heads on the radio and tv.

We all are in debt when we are born. We all pay taxes in order to have the roads we drive on traffic lights, electricity, plumbing, internet school ect.

And it kills me the shortsightedness of people when it comes to politics. The people that will have to pay the most taxes have the most to gain from it. They benefit the most from having roads (it helps them to get employees to work and offers ways for them to get their products to where they need to go.

Any aspect you will see why taxes are not a bad thing.

And if I have to pay 1-3% of my income to get universal healthcare I am all about it since it sure beats the 3-5% healthcare that those of us lucky enough to have it pay.

And if everyone has it prices will be driven down through things like getting check ups and not having to go to the emergency room for something a regular doctor could handle.



Thing about school. Our parents, grandparents, ect paid taxes to build public schools and who benefits? We did with the education we received, but it is nothing compared to the money the business owners have made with a more educated/productive workforce.

 

[tip top toker]

can't deny there are some good pics though

as you say, people are being VERY ignorant and silly. essentially i guess they're protesting about the recession, hope they suceed and they vote against it

 

[DOVESPRINGSGROWER]

SO much shit goin on, i dont kno what to think or feel CUZ IF ITS NOT ONE THING ITS ANOTHER. THAT WHY MT MOTO IS MY SIGNATURE

 

[Microdizzey]

"Why pay taxes when they can just print money" is my favorite as well. It's so true. Why do they need us to pay them when they are just printing new money anyways?

 

[ViRedd]

"Why pay taxes when they can just print money" is my favorite as well. It's so true. Why do they need us to pay them when they are just printing new money anyways?

Because the printed money is loaned at interest. The income tax goes to the central bank to pay the interest on the debt. The IRS is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve.


Vi

 

[GrowTech]

best one.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

cracks me up how people just regurgitate what they are told from the talking heads on the radio and tv.

We all are in debt when we are born. We all pay taxes in order to have the roads we drive on traffic lights, electricity, plumbing, internet school ect.

And it kills me the shortsightedness of people when it comes to politics. The people that will have to pay the most taxes have the most to gain from it. They benefit the most from having roads (it helps them to get employees to work and offers ways for them to get their products to where they need to go.

Any aspect you will see why taxes are not a bad thing.

And if I have to pay 1-3% of my income to get universal healthcare I am all about it since it sure beats the 3-5% healthcare that those of us lucky enough to have it pay.

And if everyone has it prices will be driven down through things like getting check ups and not having to go to the emergency room for something a regular doctor could handle.



Thing about school. Our parents, grandparents, ect paid taxes to build public schools and who benefits? We did with the education we received, but it is nothing compared to the money the business owners have made with a more educated/productive workforce.

I think its even more comical how people place blind faith in the government, who are infinitely more capable of making stupid mistakes than any one else. Not because they are stupid, but because of sheeple that trust them with power.

Politicians are not Gods, or Angels, or DemiGods, they are nothing more than people, and based on their track record, sociopathic ones at that.

Sleeping with whores, doing drugs, taking bribes, denying that the bribes they do take from megacorps influences their decisions, cheating on taxes, lying to the public.

They tell us what we want to hear when it comes to getting elected, and then do the exact opposite. Or worse, make us believe that the great evil they are going to do by stealing our liberties is some how for our own benefit.

I wouldn't trust our politicians (with few exceptions) to take care of a goldfish. To entrust them to run our nation is imbecilic. They are not omnipotent or omniscient, or more intelligent than the public at large. They can not know every single factor in some one's life, and thus their one-size-fits-all style of governing does great damage to the public, and to the economy.

As far as the Pics, I think my favorite was, "Obama-Reid-Pelois : The Axis of Taxes"

Though in truth "The Axis of Evil" would have been much closer to the truth.

 

[jrh72582]

I think its even more comical how people place blind faith in the government, who are infinitely more capable of making stupid mistakes than any one else. Not because they are stupid, but because of sheeple that trust them with power.

Politicians are not Gods, or Angels, or DemiGods, they are nothing more than people, and based on their track record, sociopathic ones at that.

Sleeping with whores, doing drugs, taking bribes, denying that the bribes they do take from megacorps influences their decisions, cheating on taxes, lying to the public.

They tell us what we want to hear when it comes to getting elected, and then do the exact opposite. Or worse, make us believe that the great evil they are going to do by stealing our liberties is some how for our own benefit.

I wouldn't trust our politicians (with few exceptions) to take care of a goldfish. To entrust them to run our nation is imbecilic. They are not omnipotent or omniscient, or more intelligent than the public at large. They can not know every single factor in some one's life, and thus their one-size-fits-all style of governing does great damage to the public, and to the economy.

As far as the Pics, I think my favorite was, "Obama-Reid-Pelois : The Axis of Taxes"

Though in truth "The Axis of Evil" would have been much closer to the truth.

That one's already taken.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

That one's already taken.

North Korea, Iran and Iraq?

I think we can add a few more rogue states, between the three of them Obama, Pelosi and Reid certainly do pump out enough hot air to be considered nations in their own right...

 

[Rob Roy]

cracks me up how people just regurgitate what they are told from the talking heads on the radio and tv.

We all are in debt when we are born. We all pay taxes in order to have the roads we drive on traffic lights, electricity, plumbing, internet school ect.

And it kills me the shortsightedness of people when it comes to politics. The people that will have to pay the most taxes have the most to gain from it. They benefit the most from having roads (it helps them to get employees to work and offers ways for them to get their products to where they need to go.

Any aspect you will see why taxes are not a bad thing.

And if I have to pay 1-3% of my income to get universal healthcare I am all about it since it sure beats the 3-5% healthcare that those of us lucky enough to have it pay.

And if everyone has it prices will be driven down through things like getting check ups and not having to go to the emergency room for something a regular doctor could handle.



Thing about school. Our parents, grandparents, ect paid taxes to build public schools and who benefits? We did with the education we received, but it is nothing compared to the money the business owners have made with a more educated/productive workforce.

Do you believe in funding education forcibly at the point of a gun? Do you believe there is any real benefit derived from involuntary extraction of taxes, that is greater than freedom? Which benefit are you willing to sell your freedom of choice for? Should I have the right to choose which benefits I want or should others choose for me?

 

[chitownsmoking]

i was happy has hell when obama won the election. mostly because the man smoked weed,did coke, and was from chicago.

but in all honesty obama is just another bush but with a black face. the same people that put bush in office put obama there.

were is all that money going to????? were are all the so called jobs. im from chicago and unemployment is at like 11% so now im back to fuck any form of government!!!!!!!!!

 

[hanimmal]

Do you believe in funding education forcibly at the point of a gun? Do you believe there is any real benefit derived from involuntary extraction of taxes, that is greater than freedom? Which benefit are you willing to sell your freedom of choice for? Should I have the right to choose which benefits I want or should others choose for me?

No I don't believe that anything needs to get to the point of having a gun pointed.

Unfortunantly as a whole we are not educated as a society enough to be reasoned with. It is hard to explain to people that if there wasn't a government there wouldn't be jobs (no roads, education, government to stop total coruption (think somalia level corruption (i.e I will kill you if you disagree at all or even if I am just bored and you walked in front of me)where the bribes it takes to get a business started noone is willing to open one up, especially if it can just be taken away after you open it up), so if there is no jobs we all live in poverty and lose the freedom to piss and moan about a 3% increase in taxes.

Even if that 3% ensures that for the next 100 years our nation continues to move forward and slowly become a better place to live. Especially if the alternative to no taxes is living in a free for all nation where the strong can simply kill and take what the weak have. Even if it slowly happens through business now, it is impersonal and every so often the government we have needs to reign them in and give some back to us.

And I don't care what you say, you are not the elite 1% that will see much moeny taken. I can say that with 99% confidence since if you are that 1% chances are you wouldn't be posting on this site since you would be able to do ANYTHING you wanted and would have scientists growing for you.

For me I guess it comes down to beleiving that the rate that our standard of living is improving is so far outstripping the growth of what the government is taking and the top 1% of business and their owners are hording more than makes up for that 3% growth that the government needs to keep it all in line. Even if they (business and government as a whole) are and have always been stealing a fraction of a percent of it.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

No I don't believe that anything needs to get to the point of having a gun pointed.

You obviously didn't understand the point that was being made with the reference to the gun.


Unfortunantly as a whole we are not educated as a society enough to be reasoned with.

I blame the school system that exists on the basis of the use of legal force, fraud and coercion. Perhaps it should put the gun down.

It is hard to explain to people that if there wasn't a government there wouldn't be jobs

Uhm, perhaps you can try to explain this, because you are making an incredible leap of stupidity.


(no roads

Private Roads have been used in the past. It was only with the creation of the US Postal Service, and its privileged position of being a monopoly that the Government even got involved in roads, and before that it was local communities that typically paid for roads.

, education,

Fallacious argument, perhaps you are unaware of how many schools are privately ran. The public schools that provide their services for free of course are failures, and this can be illustrated by comparing their costs to private school costs. Public Schools are inefficient, bloated, and wasteful.

government to stop total coruption (think somalia level corruption (i.e I will kill you if you disagree at all or even if I am just bored and you walked in front of me)

I really don't think that society would suddenly become overburdened with Sociopaths. I believe the opposite would happen if private citizens were free to handle such matters the way they want. Of course, innocent people might be killed, but innocent people are routinely killed in the inner cities in drive by shootings, yet another illustration of the ineptitude of the state that can be pointed to. If the State was as efficient as you make-believe in your twisted fairy-tale it would be able to prevent gang violence.


where the bribes it takes to get a business started noone is willing to open one up,

If there is sufficient demand businesses will open, arguing that supply must be created for demand to exist is ignorant, and ignores the fact that businesses open where they want. It is only through government zoning laws that businesses are forced into central areas far away from residential areas, where they would make it possible for people to avoid driving. Yet another failure of government, and its ever increasing attempts to dictate every aspect of every individual's life.

especially if it can just be taken away after you open it up), so if there is no jobs we all live in poverty and lose the freedom to piss and moan about a 3% increase in taxes.

Government doesn't make jobs, it doesn't provide a damn thing, and that 3% in taxes adds up quickly. Of course, based on your insipid arguments above I can definitely see how you would believe otherwise.



Even if that 3% ensures that for the next 100 years our nation continues to move forward and slowly become a better place to live.

Try a worse place to live, the continued destruction of the middle class at the hands of your God named Government should be evident to even to you.

Especially if the alternative to no taxes is living in a free for all nation where the strong can simply kill and take what the weak have.

Once again you are attempting to state that with out government everyone would become sociopaths, which clearly illustrates a very limited understanding of human nature. Perhaps you should go visit a pshrink yourself.

Even if it slowly happens through business now, it is impersonal and every so often the government we have needs to reign them in and give some back to us.

Lol, government give us back anything, don't make me laugh. What are you 10? Never held a decent job, worked an honest day in your life, and never finished school?


And I don't care what you say, you are not the elite 1% that will see much moeny taken.

33% at 50K a year, and you act like only the top 1% feel the burden of the onerous burden of taxation that you wish to ram down everyone's throat. Besides, who the f* are you judge what people should or should not do with their money. I wouldn't trust you to pick up after my dog, let alone make anything resembling public policy, because you clearly have no understanding of economics, or taxation.


I can say that with 99% confidence since if you are that 1% chances are you wouldn't be posting on this site since you would be able to do ANYTHING you wanted and would have scientists growing for you.

Do you even know where the top 1% starts?


For me I guess it comes down to beleiving that the rate that our standard of living is improving is so far outstripping the growth of what the government is taking and the top 1% of business and their owners are hording more than makes up for that 3% growth that the government needs to keep it all in line. Even if they (business and government as a whole) are and have always been stealing a fraction of a percent of it.

Yet more fallacious arguments, the economic growth of our nation has slowed down drastically as a result of the implementation of the income tax and of the federal reserve.

From 1800 - 1912 REAL (adjusted for inflation) economic growth was 9600%, Inflation was actually a -15% meaning that the Gold Dollar was worth 15% more in 1912 than it was in 1800.

From 1913 (Fed. Reserve Creation, Income Tax Creation) - 2007 Real Economic Growth was a miniscule 1600%, and inflation was a staggering 2200%. Everyone's dollar was worth only 1/22 of what it was in 1913.

Of course, there is also the fact that the growth that you point at is not a result of government interference in the markets. The majority of the growth stems from increases in productivity, which means that the time invested in producing goods shrinks, meaning that they can be sold for less, because more can be produced.

However, with increased automation comes an increased demand for trained specialists, who of course get paid more than a common laborer, thus the middle class grows, and gets to spend money on all the cheap goods that they make available.

Industrial and Economic Growth is only slowed by government interference, because 1% stolen in one year snowballs in the amount of lost capital over 100 years.

Your arguments don't leave you a leg to stand on, because they expose an ignorance of economics, and of taxation.

They also demonstrate an astounding propensity to assume that it is government that keeps people from acting insane, maybe you should visit a pshrink, because it's not government that keeps me from going around murdering, raping and killing people, it's more a matter of not being inclined to do that because its wrong.

And government clearly doesn't stop the people that don't think it's wrong from murdering, raping and killing people, all it does is lock them up (usually for their own benefit, as the community at large would likely be more than happy to put them 6 feet under with no chance of parole.)