K
Keenly
Guest
just in case no one let you know
the sixteenth amendment was never
and i mean NEVER
ratified by the states, a requirement for it to become and amendment
INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL: so don't pay.
- Thread starter Tyrannabudz
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just in case no one let you know
the sixteenth amendment was never
and i mean NEVER
ratified by the states, a requirement for it to become and amendment
medicineman
New Member
My friend, my friend, There has always been the hidden unemployed, the ones that have run out of benefits and have never gone back to work and are not counted. This is something Obama did not invent.
medicineman
New Member
According to the United States Government Printing Office, the following states ratified the amendment:[21]
- Alabama (August 10, 1909)
- Kentucky (February 8, 1910)
- South Carolina (February 19, 1910)
- Illinois (March 1, 1910)
- Mississippi (March 7, 1910)
- Oklahoma (March 10, 1910)
- Maryland (April 8, 1910)
- Georgia (August 3, 1910)
- Texas (August 16, 1910)
- Ohio (January 19, 1911)
- Idaho (January 20, 1911)
- Oregon (January 23, 1911)
- Washington (January 26, 1911)
- Montana (January 27, 1911)
- Indiana (January 30, 1911)
- California (January 31, 1911)
- Nevada (January 31, 1911)
- South Dakota (February 1, 1911)
- Nebraska (February 9, 1911)
- North Carolina (February 11, 1911)
- Colorado (February 15, 1911)
- North Dakota (February 17, 1911)
- Michigan (February 23, 1911)
- Iowa (February 24, 1911)
- Kansas (March 2, 1911)
- Missouri (March 16, 1911)
- Maine (March 31, 1911)
- Tennessee (April 7, 1911)
- Arkansas (April 22, 1911), after having previously rejected the amendment
- Wisconsin (May 16, 1911)
- New York (July 12, 1911)
- Arizona (April 3, 1912)
- Minnesota (June 11, 1912)
- Louisiana (June 28, 1912)
- West Virginia (January 31, 1913)
- Delaware (February 3, 1913)
37. New Mexico (February 3, 1913) 38. Wyoming (February 3, 1913) 39. New Jersey (February 4, 1913) 40. Vermont (February 19, 1913) 41. Massachusetts (March 4, 1913) 42. New Hampshire (March 7, 1913), after rejecting the amendment on March 2, 1911
I guess now I'll Have to post a copy of Obama's Birth certificate, Again.
Dolce Vita
Active Member
i dont care who invented it. what i am saying is that its not the true unemployment. it was inaccurate with bush and Clinton too... i think i can speak for alot of people when i say tell us what the true unemployment is
We truely have no idea where our money goes, and this voilates the constitution... I want to school to become an mechanical engineer, and my teacher used to work in a machine shop in the 80's with a gov. contract. The U.S. Army(tax funded) paid this machine shop about $400 to produce a set of channel lock like pliers. They did this all day.... Took them about 90 minutes to make on a manual machine. The employees made anywhere from 8 to 22 dollars an hour, so where does the rest go? Your tax money is funneled directly to the top. We definetely need to do something, before it is too late. How can you charge an inheritance tax? this money was already taxed so many times through the person's life, but its never enough. Pretty soon there will be a funeral tax, and all donation boxes will have tax stamps. Only the white man can profit from pain- Cris Rock.....
$14bil can be made from herb. We should tell them, let me pay taxes on my weeds, or I will never pay taxes again, state, fed, school, prop, nothing. The US is one of the only countries that make you pay income tax on money made outside of country. They are out of control. I recomend reading how to pay zero taxes by Jeff A schneipper. Peace
$14bil can be made from herb. We should tell them, let me pay taxes on my weeds, or I will never pay taxes again, state, fed, school, prop, nothing. The US is one of the only countries that make you pay income tax on money made outside of country. They are out of control. I recomend reading how to pay zero taxes by Jeff A schneipper. Peace
angelsbandit
Well-Known Member
Kmann666,
Actually it looks like Canadians pay more tax than about 70% of US citizens
Canadian Federal tax rates for 2009 are:
15% on the first $40,726 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $40,726 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $40,726 and $81,452), +
26% on the next $44,812 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $81,452 and $126,264), +
29% of taxable income over $126,264.
Provincial/Territorial tax rates for 2009
Under the current tax on income method, tax for all provinces (except Quebec) and territories is calculated the same way as federal tax.
Form 428 is used to calculate this provincial or territorial tax. Provincial or territorial specific non-refundable tax credits are also calculated on Form 428.
For complete details, see the Provincial or Territorial information and forms in your 2009 tax package.
Provincial / Territorial tax rates (combined chart)
7.7% on the first $31,061 of taxable income, +
12.8% on the next $31,060, +
15.5% on the amount over $62,121
Prince Edward Island
9.8% on the first $31,984 of taxable income, +
13.8% on the next $31,985, +
16.7% on the amount over $63,969
Nova Scotia
8.79% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, +
14.95% on the next $29,590, +
16.67% on the next $33,820 +
17.5% on the amount over $93,000
New Brunswick
10.12% on the first $35,707 of taxable income, +
15.48% on the next $35,708, +
16.8% on the next $44,690, +
17.95% on the amount over $116,105
Quebec
Contact Revenu Québec
Ontario
6.05% on the first $36,848 of taxable income, +
9.15% on the next $36,850, +
11.16% on the amount over $73,698
Manitoba
10.8% on the first $31,000 of taxable income, +
12.75% on the next $36,000, +
17.4% on the amount over $67,000
Saskatchewan
11% on the first $40,113 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $74,497, +
15% on the amount over $114,610
Alberta
10% of taxable income
British Columbia
5.06% on the first $35,716 of taxable income, +
7.7% on the next $35,717, +
10.5% on the next $10,581, +
12.29% on the next $17,574, +
14.7% on the amount over $99,588
Yukon
7.04% on the first $38,832 of taxable income, +
9.68% on the next $38,832, +
11.44% on the next $48,600, +
12.76% on the amount over $126,264
Northwest Territories
5.9% on the first $36,885 of taxable income, +
8.6% on the next $36,887, +
12.2% on the next $46,164, +
14.05% on the amount over $119,936
Nunavut
4% on the first $38,832 of taxable income, +
7% on the next $38,832, +
9% on the next $48,600, +
11.5% on the amount over $126,264
　
　
In the provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland and Labrador, a harmonized sales tax of 13 percent replaces both the federal goods and services tax (GST) and the provincial sales tax and is applied on the same basis as the GST.
In Canada the goods and services tax or GST is a federal tax of five percent on most goods and services sold in Canada for domestic consumption. Some goods and services are exempt from the GST, for example basic groceries, prescription drugs and exports.
In the provinces of New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador and Nova Scotia the five percent federal goods and services tax is combined with an eight percent provincial retail sales tax and is called the harmonized sales tax (HST).
In most provinces in Canada a provincial retail sales tax is applied on many goods and services. In the provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland and Labrador the provincial sales tax is combined with the federal goods and services tax in a single harmonized sales tax. The provincial retail sales tax rates vary from province to province, as do the goods and services to which the tax is applied and the way the tax is applied.
In 2008, taxes in Canada represented on average 35% of the pump price versus 20% in the U.S. Taxes include a Federal Excise Tax of 10.0¢ for Regular, 4.0¢ for Diesel and Provincial Tax.
　
Actually it looks like Canadians pay more tax than about 70% of US citizens
Canadian Federal tax rates for 2009 are:
15% on the first $40,726 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $40,726 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $40,726 and $81,452), +
26% on the next $44,812 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $81,452 and $126,264), +
29% of taxable income over $126,264.
Provincial/Territorial tax rates for 2009
Under the current tax on income method, tax for all provinces (except Quebec) and territories is calculated the same way as federal tax.
Form 428 is used to calculate this provincial or territorial tax. Provincial or territorial specific non-refundable tax credits are also calculated on Form 428.
For complete details, see the Provincial or Territorial information and forms in your 2009 tax package.
Provincial / Territorial tax rates (combined chart)
Provinces / Territories
Rate(s)
Newfoundland and LabradorRate(s)
7.7% on the first $31,061 of taxable income, +
12.8% on the next $31,060, +
15.5% on the amount over $62,121
Prince Edward Island
9.8% on the first $31,984 of taxable income, +
13.8% on the next $31,985, +
16.7% on the amount over $63,969
Nova Scotia
8.79% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, +
14.95% on the next $29,590, +
16.67% on the next $33,820 +
17.5% on the amount over $93,000
New Brunswick
10.12% on the first $35,707 of taxable income, +
15.48% on the next $35,708, +
16.8% on the next $44,690, +
17.95% on the amount over $116,105
Quebec
Contact Revenu Québec
Ontario
6.05% on the first $36,848 of taxable income, +
9.15% on the next $36,850, +
11.16% on the amount over $73,698
Manitoba
10.8% on the first $31,000 of taxable income, +
12.75% on the next $36,000, +
17.4% on the amount over $67,000
Saskatchewan
11% on the first $40,113 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $74,497, +
15% on the amount over $114,610
Alberta
10% of taxable income
British Columbia
5.06% on the first $35,716 of taxable income, +
7.7% on the next $35,717, +
10.5% on the next $10,581, +
12.29% on the next $17,574, +
14.7% on the amount over $99,588
Yukon
7.04% on the first $38,832 of taxable income, +
9.68% on the next $38,832, +
11.44% on the next $48,600, +
12.76% on the amount over $126,264
Northwest Territories
5.9% on the first $36,885 of taxable income, +
8.6% on the next $36,887, +
12.2% on the next $46,164, +
14.05% on the amount over $119,936
Nunavut
4% on the first $38,832 of taxable income, +
7% on the next $38,832, +
9% on the next $48,600, +
11.5% on the amount over $126,264
　
　
In the provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland and Labrador, a harmonized sales tax of 13 percent replaces both the federal goods and services tax (GST) and the provincial sales tax and is applied on the same basis as the GST.
In Canada the goods and services tax or GST is a federal tax of five percent on most goods and services sold in Canada for domestic consumption. Some goods and services are exempt from the GST, for example basic groceries, prescription drugs and exports.
In the provinces of New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador and Nova Scotia the five percent federal goods and services tax is combined with an eight percent provincial retail sales tax and is called the harmonized sales tax (HST).
In most provinces in Canada a provincial retail sales tax is applied on many goods and services. In the provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland and Labrador the provincial sales tax is combined with the federal goods and services tax in a single harmonized sales tax. The provincial retail sales tax rates vary from province to province, as do the goods and services to which the tax is applied and the way the tax is applied.
In 2008, taxes in Canada represented on average 35% of the pump price versus 20% in the U.S. Taxes include a Federal Excise Tax of 10.0¢ for Regular, 4.0¢ for Diesel and Provincial Tax.
　
TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
A Gold Standard would not require credit cards to be abolished, credit cards, or rather credit, are not money. There is nothing in the usage of the Gold Standard that would prevent banks from issuing loans, credit, or credit cards.
A Credit Card is nothing more than a line on a bank's money, and thus when you use it, they pay the merchant (less a fee) and then charge you. There is nothing in the process that would necessarily change under a gold standard.
You would not replace all dollars with gold at todays prices, you would revalue the dollar. Take into account all the money and repeg it to the amount of gold the US supposedly has ( 8,130 tons) vs the amount of dollars and you come up with something in the neighborhood of 1 ounce of gold would be the equivalent of around $15,000. Of course this time we should make Gold and Silver float in value according to the markets but not peg ones value to the other. The Statutes that did us in was the one that pegged gold and silver at a 15 to 1 ratio which over time would make one metal more valuable in some other country than the other, so go to Japan and buy silver, come back to USA and sell silver to buy gold, go back to Japan and sell gold at big profit. Problem is it removes one or the other metal from circulating as Money. It happened many times over our countries 200 years use of the gold standard.
Gold and Silver are honest money, real weath, unlike irredeemable paper promises.
Med I love how you said "Take away peoples credit cards and you'll have a real revolt". That really rings true, but you wouldn't have to take away credit cards to have a gold standard.
I really do believe that we should still use actual metal coins as money, as stipulated in the Constitution.
NoDrama has it.
Nothing need change.
You know Med we have a whole school of economists
who do nothing but think of ways to put us back on a gold standard.
They have thought about this.
A gold standard does not mean you will be carrying gold coins everywhere.
A one ounce gold coin would buy a new ford pick-up (about $15k)
Hell Mexico has started allowing their people to start bank accounts in silver now.
Thanks in part to Ron Paul and the Mises institute. (No shit mexico consulted Ron Paul, LOL)
Its not a matter of if we go to gold its a matter of when, IMO.
Hey NoDrama is that 8130 tonnes metric or standard?
Nothing need change.
You know Med we have a whole school of economists
who do nothing but think of ways to put us back on a gold standard.
They have thought about this.
A gold standard does not mean you will be carrying gold coins everywhere.
A one ounce gold coin would buy a new ford pick-up (about $15k)
Hell Mexico has started allowing their people to start bank accounts in silver now.
Thanks in part to Ron Paul and the Mises institute. (No shit mexico consulted Ron Paul, LOL)
Its not a matter of if we go to gold its a matter of when, IMO.
Hey NoDrama is that 8130 tonnes metric or standard?
snowmanexpress
Well-Known Member
if you think you can sell an ounce of gold for 15g's you are smoking somethin really good and Id like to take a puff of that.
Dolce Vita
Active Member
wait about a year then ull be able to
CrackerJax
New Member
It is just not possible to parse our gold from others. It's ONE gold market, not many. As soon as you tether gold to the dollar, gold would be quickly overwhelmed by the debt disparity and make a gold bubble based on a fiat currency (no one would tolerate this). Even if you isolated the US reserves, the gold only carries worth if others are willing to trade in it. Who would touch a separate US gold?
Only AFTER we deal with our debt load (which Obama is making sure we NEVER can) can such a possibility arise. I'm afraid the train has left the station.
TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
Not at all CJ, you're assuming that government (or its monopolistic quasi-public corporation, the Federal Reserve) would need to control gold, silver or copper (or anything else being used as a currency. This is not accurate, all that would need to be done is to repeal legal tender laws, and let the free market resolve its own needs.
Of course, the IRS would have to necessarily vanish, and it the government would have to go back to funding itself from tariffs, but I don't see why the government needs more than $1 Trillion dollars. It's only true goal is to provide national defense (navy) and not to intrude into the private lives of individuals. Of course, for the last to be true it would require that the government stop blatantly violating the 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments (Probable Cause, Search and Seizure, Self-Incrimination, Excessive Fines and Punishments, Limits of Power (All powers not in the Constitution limited to the states), and Abolishment of Slavery)
kmann666
Active Member
oh I'm not saying Canada pays LESS tax than the U.S., I'm just saying I'm not about to jump off of a building because I pay too much TAXES. American's do pay less tax, but Canada has higher taxes so that we are able to have a MUCH BETTER HEALTH CARE SYSTEM that much I know for sure, I'm not sleighting anyone here I'm just justifying our HIGH TAXES!!!!
CrackerJax
New Member
The sticky wicket is in your phrase "let the free market resolve its own needs". If you tether gold back to the dollar, then the debt that is attached to the dollar MUST be incorporated into finding the exchange rate. This would not be possible. This would spin gold out of control. You can't just write off your own debt and still maintain a currency value. Especially since you don't own a large portion of that debt. If you are willing to go through an extended period where it takes a bucket of money to buy bread, then perhaps, but I look around at the soft underbelly of this country and I don't see that ever happening on a voluntary basis. If what you want is ever to occur, it will be AFTER a complete monetary meltdown and unbelievable suffering.