Outdoor strain finishes in August

chongsbuddy

New Member
i talked to the doc a while back about thisstrain and he said that it is just very photo sensitive,it will start to flower about mid june.clone under 24 hours and put out on june 1st,you will be fine!
i just emailed the doc again to get some more info on this strain,i will let u know when i find out more.
 

chongsbuddy

New Member
i just emailed the doc again to get some more info on this strain,i will let u know when i find out more.
nowhe is saying that they are auto,something stinks!He said that they were not before.i dont know,i am not buying those seeds without good info on it.I will just go to the attitude and buy 10 feminised white widows from greenhouse for like a hundred bucks.The docs answer was real short as well.here is what he wrote:

Yes, it is an autoflower but you can keep a mother under 24 hour light as you had said and yes you can clone it. Typical finnish is August but ealier is possible with an earlier start but in Canada,I'd say August. Typical yield is 2-4 oz.
 

chongsbuddy

New Member
nowhe is saying that they are auto,something stinks!He said that they were not before.i dont know,i am not buying those seeds without good info on it.I will just go to the attitude and buy 10 feminised white widows from greenhouse for like a hundred bucks.The docs answer was real short as well.here is what he wrote:

Yes, it is an autoflower but you can keep a mother under 24 hour light as you had said and yes you can clone it. Typical finnish is August but ealier is possible with an earlier start but in Canada,I'd say August. Typical yield is 2-4 oz.
Well your "real gurus" don't know what they're talking about. We get that a lot of that in this business; two weeks ago they were asking how to start their seeds...this week they're handing out advice like they've been growing for decades.

Iranian Short Season is an outdoor stealth-growers dream. Respectable yield, very very potent, in and dry anytime after June dependent on start-time and climate. If Rollitup is a message base then I'd appreciate our 'conversation' being posted since it may save me some time answering questions and there is a lot of interest and misinformation about this strain.
I'll say it once more. Yes, it is an auto-flower. Yes, you can take cuttings from them. I would recommend 24 hours of dense light, preferrably T5's or metal halide, something with lots of blue, not high pressure sodium as a source for rooting cuts or maintaining a mother plant.
thisis what the doc wrote:

You'll get more yield starting from seeds since they take about six weeks to flower from seeds and you can't beat the sun, whereas from cuttings they'll flower pretty much immediately, so it's best to allow your cuts to get to at least 12" tall before setting out. We have a bunch outside right now that were started from seed directly into soil, they are 3-4 foot tall and well into flower. I'll send over a few photos in a follow-up email.
 

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chongsbuddy

New Member
i thought a lot more people would be interested in info on this strain,just trying to get some info out there,but if it's falling on def ears........
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Too late in the season for most people to be interested in an outdoor strain, and Endless Sky will give a better yield in another week or so. It's a think-about-early-in-the-spring strain. Not recommended indoors.

Interesting thing is the quick finishing pheno - IS - goes for $150 and the mother strain goes for $225: both feminized and the same potency, but ES with a much better yield.

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bongsmilie
 
hey trapper fellow praire grower over huhn tooo! also im intrseted in those high ryders i have many a spot i could plat those muthrfukrs and let them take over muwhahahaha
 

Beaner

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a plant that grows back every year without seeds? that is simply impossible, i can't believe somone would try and give out that kind of retarded information, pot is a weed and left alone it will take over any field, on seeds alone, in my town there are literally fields of wild hemp growing everywhere, you can't drive down any road without looking out and seeing sticky buds growing up and down the sidewalk...don't get my wrong they are sticky and covered in tricomes with a pungent bubblegum smell, but there is no thc in them at all as they are leftovers from the industrial hemp farming industry that used to thrive in the state of minnesota.

as for plants not flowering till they reach 12-12, that's just dumb, plants will flower with 14 to 16 hours of light. the whole 12-12 thing is an indoor number devised because it initiates a plant into flowering fastest, and has the best chances of flowering fast, not reverting into veg or hermaphrodizing, and ripening the quickest. outdoors 12-12 doesn't matter unless your trying to force flower in a barn or something.
 

Hobbes

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Does it seem to other people that there is a poster missing from this page? It seems like someone's posts were deleted, in places the thread is very disjointed. Maybe I just have a weird high going on but every time I read through this thread it seems like something is off.

"a plant that grows back every year without seeds? that is simply impossible"

Agreed. But it would be nice, Cannabis Perrenials.

Beaner who posted that? Thanks.

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bongsmilie

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bongsmilie
 

StlSoldier531

Active Member
There's no genetics listed, but also no mention of autoflower which he does on Sweet 105 as a selling point. I'll email and see if he'll give us the parentage.


bongsmilie
Hobbes, either you are blind or you just don't know how to read. It clearly says that Iranian Short Season is an Autoflower on the website.

Iranian Short Season
Product Code- ISF (Feminized) ♀ (Auto-Flower)


 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
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StlSoldier I take great offense to you questioning the vitality of my eyesight! They are tired and sore tonight though, I'm going to get some Visine. Thanks for the reminder. I have no retort for the stupidity observation other than it's possible that I just don't comprehend what I read very well and I can read just fine.

I emailed Doc about ISS because I remembered searching to see if it was an autoflower and didn't find anything after scouring the ad. I even copied and pasted the entire add in the first post of this thread and there's no autoflower mention - but the bloody thing is there now making me look like an idiot. Doc is bailing me out a bit:

"Iranian Short Season initially was a single plant we spotted out of literally thousands and that appeared to be very early. We dug it up and put it under 24 hours of strong light and lots of nitrogen to try to slow it down and were able to get some seeds by asexual means on the very last ripe pistils. The manner of the next grow was based on the fact we thought it was simply early because we fully expected about an August finish and so advertised it as "early" but then realised it was not just early but autoflowering. Having said that, even though it is an autoflower you are able to hold a mother for a while under 24 hours of strong light and take cuttings that you can hold for a limited time under 24 hour photoperiods of strong light but not idefinately"

Very interesting strain. Grenadine is, I think,[(Niagara X Shiva) X G-13]. Grenadine and Iranian Indica, does anyone know if there is ruderallus genes in there somewhere? I'm wondering how an autoflowering strain came from non autoflowering strains.

I'm moving Endless Sky up in my purchase order, I want a really potent, high yielding, short flowering strain and finally need a heavy indica stone. I've been wanting to order ES for a couple of years but needed mood stabilizing strains. Now I have need for a strain for chronic pain for one person and a strain for a sleep disorder (wake up and can't get back to sleep, nightmare) for a second. ES might do for both.

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bongsmilie
 
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StlSoldier I take great offense to you questioning the vitality of my eyesight! They are tired and sore tonight though, I'm going to get some Visine. Thanks for the reminder. I have no retort for the stupidity observation other than it's possible that I just don't comprehend what I read very well and I can read just fine.

I emailed Doc about ISS because I remembered searching to see if it was an autoflower and didn't find anything after scouring the ad. I even copied and pasted the entire add in the first post of this thread and there's no autoflower mention - but the bloody thing is there now making me look like an idiot. Doc is bailing me out a bit:

"Iranian Short Season initially was a single plant we spotted out of literally thousands and that appeared to be very early. We dug it up and put it under 24 hours of strong light and lots of nitrogen to try to slow it down and were able to get some seeds by asexual means on the very last ripe pistils. The manner of the next grow was based on the fact we thought it was simply early because we fully expected about an August finish and so advertised it as "early" but then realised it was not just early but autoflowering. Having said that, even though it is an autoflower you are able to hold a mother for a while under 24 hours of strong light and take cuttings that you can hold for a limited time under 24 hour photoperiods of strong light but not idefinately"

Very interesting strain. Grenadine is, I think,[(Niagara X Shiva) X G-13]. Grenadine and Iranian Indica, does anyone know if there is ruderallus genes in there somewhere? I'm wondering how an autoflowering strain came from non autoflowering strains.

I'm moving Endless Sky up in my purchase order, I want a really potent, high yielding, short flowering strain and finally need a heavy indica stone. I've been wanting to order ES for a couple of years but needed mood stabilizing strains. Now I have need for a strain for chronic pain for one person and a strain for a sleep disorder (wake up and can't get back to sleep, nightmare) for a second. ES might do for both.

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bongsmilie
is it worth growing iss and sweet 105 im right below canada and need something fast? or should a guy just order endless sky and be done with it?thanks
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
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I don't know anything about 105 other than what was on Doc's page. As for ISS vs Endless Sky, from reading all the reviews I could find:

- ISS will give you the same potency as Endless Sky, but only 75% of the yield per plant to trade off for the early finish.

- to get the full benefit of the Endless Sky short flowering strain a grower has to flower out a pack of seeds and look for the short flowering pheno, some plants can go for 10 weeks but if you get a 6 week mother you have 6 week clones forever.

- ISS will not stay in veg for long, it will autoflower. You have to make seeds or buy new ones. You will have approximately a 70% chance with each feminized seed of getting a plant that closely resembles the mother. If you make feminized seeds from an already feminized ISS the sexual instability will make the offspring useless for our purposes by the 2nd or 3rd subsequent generation.

If you need that incredibly early finishing strain or just want to see what it's like to have bud mid august - ISS.

If you want early finishes outdoors but cannot clone - ISS.

If you want to keep a mother for clones; are willing to flower out a package or two to get a 6 week mother; don't need a super early finish; and want to grow indoors as well - ES.

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bongsmilie
 
thank you so much for the info and quick reply! i think i will go with iss, just cant risk that cold ass frost that comes early or shitty ass weather in sept. i have the big book of buds 3 and i have sum good info on sweet 105. this plant can be cloned! a plant done in 105 days plus can be cloned hells ya!
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
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I'd put them out doors as soon as the frost danger is over in your area. Here's a resource to find frost dates in some areas, if your's isn't there just google "frost dates" and your country/state/province and there should be lots of info.

http://www.humeseeds.com/frost1.htm

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Frost Charts for Canada and United States

Dates given are normal averages for a light freeze (32°F); local weather and topography may cause considerable variations. The possibility of frost occurring after the spring dates and before the fall dates is 50 percent. The classification of freezing temperatures is usually based on their effect on plants, with the following commonly accepted categories:

Light freeze:

29°F to 32°F—tender plants killed, with little destructive effect on other vegetation.

Moderate freeze:

25°F to 28°F—widely destructive effect on most vegetation, with heavy damage to fruit blossoms and tender and semi-hardy plants.

Severe freeze:

24°F and colder—damage to most plants.

City Province/State // Growing Season (Length in Days) // Last Spring Frost // First Fall Frost

Canada
Athabasca AB:# of growing days 88 // last spring frost Jun. 1 // first fall frost Aug. 29
Calgary AB 114 May 23 Sept. 15
Edmonton AB 138 May 7 Sept. 23
Grande Prairie AB 117 May 18 Sept. 13
Lethbridge AB 123 May 17 Sept. 18
Medicine Hat AB 128 May 16 Sept. 22
Peace River AB 99 May 26 Sept. 3
Red Deer AB 106 May 25 Sept. 9
Abbotsford BC 177 Apr. 24 Oct. 18
Chilliwack BC 216 Apr. 6 Nov. 9
Dawson Creek BC 84 Jun. 5 Aug. 29
Kamloops BC 156 Jun. 1 Oct. 5
Kelowna BC 123 May 19 Sept. 20
Nanaimo BC 171 Apr. 28 Oct. 17
Nelson BC 159 May 4 Oct. 13
Port Alberni BC 159 May 8 Oct. 15
Prince George BC 91 Jun. 4 Sept. 3
Prince Rupert BC 156 May 9 Oct. 13
Vancouver BC 221 Mar. 28 Nov. 5
Victoria BC 200 Apr. 19 Nov. 5
Brandon MB 105 May 27 Sept. 10
Lynn Lake MB 89 Jun. 8 Sept. 6
The Pas MB 112 May 27 Sept. 17
Thompson MB 61 Jun. 15 Aug. 16
Winnipeg MB 119 May 25 Sept. 22
Bathurst NB 129 May 19 Sept. 26
Edmundston NB 112 May 28 Sept. 18
Fredericton NB 124 May 20 Sept. 22
Moncton NB 125 May 24 Sept. 27
Saint John NB 139 May 18 Oct. 4
Corner Brook NF 142 May 22 Oct. 12
Gander NF 123 Jun. 3 Oct. 5
Grand Falls NF 115 Jun. 2 Sept. 26
St. John's NF 131 Jun. 2 Oct. 12
Halifax NS 166 May 6 Oct. 20
Kentville NS 141 May 16 Oct. 5
Sydney NS 141 May 24 Oct. 13
Truro NS 113 May 30 Sept. 21
Yarmouth NS 169 May 1 Oct. 18
Aklavik NT 76 Jun. 13 Aug. 31
Fort Simpson NT 81 Jun. 3 Aug. 24
Yellowknife NT 110 May 27 Sept. 15
Barrie ON 112 May 26 Sept. 16
Hamilton ON 168 Apr. 29 Oct. 15
Kapuskasing ON 87 Jun. 12 Sept. 8
Kingston ON 160 May 2 Oct. 10
Kitchener ON 139 May 11 Sept. 29
London ON 151 May 9 Oct. 8
Ottawa ON 151 May 6 Oct. 5
Owen Sound ON 155 May 12 Oct. 15
Peterborough ON 124 May 18 Sept. 20
Sudbury ON 130 May 17 Sept. 25
Thunder Bay ON 105 Jun. 1 Sept. 15
Timmins ON 89 Jun. 8 Sept. 6
Toronto ON 149 May 9 Oct. 6
Windsor ON 179 Apr. 25 Oct. 22
Charlottetown PE 150 May 17 Oct. 14
Summerside PE 162 May 9 Oct. 19
Tignish PE 138 May 23 Oct. 9 Baie
Comeau QC 109 May 28 Sept. 15
Chicoutimi QC 133 May 17 Sept. 30
Montreal QC 156 May 3 Oct. 7
Quebec QC 139 May 13 Sept. 29
Rimouski QC 139 May 13 Sept. 30
Sherbrooke QC 100 Jun. 1 Sept. 10
Tadoussac QC 141 May 13 Oct. 2
Thetford Mines QC 106 May 28 Sept. 14
Trois-Rivieres QC 124 May 19 Sept. 23
Moose Jaw SK 120 May 20 Sept. 18
North Battleford SK 120 May 19 Sept. 17
Prince Albert SK 93 Jun. 2 Sept. 4
Regina SK 111 May 21 Sept. 10
Saskatoon SK 116 May 21 Sept. 15
Weyburn SK 112 May 22 Sept. 12
Yorkton SK 110 May 23 Sept. 11
Dawson YT 62 Jun. 13 Aug. 17
Watson Lake YT 91 Jun. 2 Sept. 4

US
Mobile AL: 272 // Feb. 27 // Nov. 26
Juneau AK 133 May 16 Sept. 26
Phoenix AZ 308 Feb. 5 Dec. 15
Tucson AZ 273 Feb. 28 Nov. 29
Pine Bluff AR 234 Mar. 19 Nov. 8
Eureka CA 324 Jan. 30 Dec. 15
Sacramento CA 289 Feb. 14 Dec. 1
San Francisco CA * * *
Denver CO 157 May 3 Oct. 8
Hartford CT 167 Apr. 25 Oct. 10
Wilmington DE 198 Apr. 13 Oct. 29
Miami FL * * *
Tampa FL 338 Jan. 28 Jan. 3
Athens GA 224 Mar. 28 Nov. 8
Savannah GA 250 Mar. 10 Nov. 15
Boise ID 153 May 8 Oct. 9
Chicago IL 187 Apr. 22 Oct. 26
Springfield IL 185 Apr. 17 Oct. 19
Indianapolis IN 180 Apr. 22 Oct. 20
South Bend IN 169 May 1 Oct. 18
Atlantic IA 141 May 9 Sept. 28
Cedar Rapids IA 161 Apr. 29 Oct. 7
Topeka KS 175 Apr. 21 Oct. 14
Lexington KY 190 Apr. 17 Oct. 25
Monroe LA 242 Mar. 9 Nov. 7
New Orleans LA 288 Feb. 20 Dec. 5
Portland ME 143 May 10 Sept. 30
Baltimore MD 231 Mar. 26 Nov. 13
Worcester MA 172 Apr. 27 Oct. 17
Lansing MI 140 May 13 Sept. 30
Marquette MI 159 May 12 Oct. 19
Duluth MN 122 May 21 Sept. 21
Willmar MN 152 May 4 Oct. 4
Columbus MS 215 Mar. 27 Oct. 29
Vicksburg MS 250 Mar. 13 Nov. 18
Jefferson City MO 173 Apr. 26 Oct. 16
Fort Peck MT 146 May 5 Sept. 28
Helena MT 122 May 18 Sept. 18
Blair NE 165 Apr. 27 Oct. 10
North Platte NE 136 May 11 Sept. 24
Las Vegas NV 259 Mar. 7 Nov. 21
Concord NH 121 May 23 Sept. 22
Newark NJ 219 Apr. 4 Nov. 10
Carlsbad NM 223 Mar. 29 Nov. 7
Los Alamos NM 157 May 8 Oct. 13
Albany NY 144 May 7 Sept. 29
Syracuse NY 170 Apr. 28 Oct. 16
Fayetteville NC 212 Apr. 2 Oct. 31
Bismarck ND 129 May 14 Sept. 20
Akron OH 168 May 3 Oct. 18
Cincinnati OH 195 Apr. 14 Oct. 27
Lawton OK 217 Apr. 1 Nov. 5
Tulsa OK 218 Mar. 30 Nov. 4
Pendleton OR 188 Apr. 15 Oct. 21
Portland OR 217 Apr. 3 Nov. 7
Carlisle PA 182 Apr. 20 Oct. 20
Williamsport PA 168 Apr. 29 Oct. 15
Kingston RI 144 May 8 Sept. 30
Charleston SC 253 Mar. 11 Nov. 20
Columbia SC 211 Apr. 4 Nov. 2
Rapid City SD 145 May 7 Sept. 29
Memphis TN 228 Mar. 23 Nov. 7
Nashville TN 207 Apr. 5 Oct. 29
Amarillo TX 197 Apr. 14 Oct. 29
Denton TX 231 Mar. 25 Nov. 12
San Antonio TX 265 Mar. 3 Nov. 24
Cedar City UT 134 May 20 Oct. 2
Spanish Fork UT 156 May 8 Oct. 12
Burlington VT 142 May 11 Oct. 1
Norfolk VA 239 Mar. 23 Nov. 17
Richmond VA 198 Apr. 10 Oct. 26
Seattle WA 232 Mar. 24 Nov. 11
Spokane WA 153 May 4 Oct. 5
Parkersburg WV 175 Apr. 25 Oct. 18
Green Bay WI 143 May 12 Oct. 2
Janesville WI 164 Apr. 28 Oct. 10
Casper WY 123 May 22 Sept. 22

*** Frosts do not occur every year.
(Miami and San Francisco)

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bongsmilie
 
so why wont this strain do well indoors? Im very interested in trying to get a harvest indoors and using the finished plant for clones. Also how much light should this strain get outdoors? Can they take mostly indirect sunlight? Some pics of growing plants would help me figure this out
 
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