1000w cfl wa u think?

laserbrn

laserbrn

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Interesting thread. It is indeed true that a 1000w CFL is going to put out as much heat as a 1000w HPS...just the basic laws of thermodynamics. Can't get around that.

Light from a single, brighter source has more ability to penetrate (HPS) but also the heat is generated in a very small area as well, therefore it gets very, very hot in one spot.

The heat on a CFL is dispersed along it's entire surface area therefore making it seem cooler to touch, but the heat is still being generated and added up. Couple that with the fact that the ballast is usally built in and you generally get quite a bit of heat from those CFL's cumulatively.

I don't think there's any question that when you go back to grams/watt the HPS would still win out, but that doesn't mean that these monster CFL's aren't dope as shit.

At least it's more light from a smaller source so you are using floro technology to achieve much closer to the properties of the HPS lights and get more penetration than was previously possible.

Would I run them? Hell no, I only care about growing bud and the HPS will outgrow the CFL, at least I'm going to believe that until proven otherwise.

I wish that LED's would rain down and stomp CFL's sooner than later. CFL's really aren't the future of lighting, they are the Laserdisc of lighting, they will be forgotten/skipped and not fully adopted. But when higher wattage LED's (which are truely more efficient) come down in cost and up in supply you'll see the next true revolution.
 
laserbrn

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FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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yup. i have been trying to convince the developers I am doing a study on these new light technolgy to get a few for research. They will give me a few but I have to submitt a request and a research layout report showing what i am doing...ohh if I get this bulbs lol
 
laserbrn

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FilthyFletch said:
yup. i have been trying to convince the developers I am doing a study on these new light technolgy to get a few for research. They will give me a few but I have to submitt a request and a research layout report showing what i am doing...ohh if I get this bulbs lol
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Oh man, I might have to go try that route! I would setup a few veggies in my garden to layout a research report for use as indoor growing lights. I would even layout the benefits of indoor growing versus outdoor growing for mainstream farming if the lights could be found efficient enough.

The report would mostly be bullshit, but should be good enough to get a hold of a few of these lights.
 
Mysticlown150

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That plasma light was crazy bright at 1000w. The guy in the second video was like he is not even going to open his eyes until they turn the wattage down lol. Imagine using those as head lights? Sure beats the crap outta xenon headlamps and LEDs. Imagine you use it to high beam someone to wake there ass up lol.Good stuff filthy.
 
NorthWest69

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sweetsmoker said:
hang on a sec mate u came on here talking bout how im an idiot for buying 1000w cfl, you was the one insititng trouble also i cannot remember me or fletch calling u names and i also wont sink to your level and respond in the same manner. if u also bothered to read the thread proper u wud know that i have an intake and outtake fan u twat. goes back to wat i said about people ta;lking about things they dont fully understand, maybe if u had any relevant comments then people would listen to what u have to say. :hump:

also mysticclown i believe hps do pump out more photons which is wat triggers the rate of photosynthesis, and u r right to say hps have better penetration. i will be be keeping my plants at 3ft and hoping that the 64,000 lumens of light in my 3ft square room ,that is in the excact p.a.r that the plants require, (AS OPPOSED TO HID THAT HAS ONLY 15% OF SPECTRUM THAT PLANTS SEE) come a close second!! all i need is to bring my temps down bout 4.c and its in the perfect range, which im thinking will benefit the growth rate a bit as well, thanks for ya input bud. and yes cfl bulbs do warm up considerably but they do not even get close to heat of a hps.........:peace:
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Seriously man, everything I say on here you twist in your mind before it even registers. I never attacked you or called you and idot or anything else for that matter. If I did can you please "quote" where I called you an idot for buying 1000 watts of CFLs.

What I think you're reffering to, is when i said it's "possible to waste energy." That was not a direct attack on you, and in no way says "you are an idiot." :confused:

I'll tell you what I do think. You're being a big baby. There! I called you something. You've finally annoyed me enough with all your blubbering about how mean I've been. Seriously bra, grow a set of nuts with your next crop, maybe you can surgically attach them to where yours should be.
 
sweetsmoker

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sorry u didnt call me an idiot jus ridiculous! which is prety much the same thing. m8 i aint gt the time or effort to argue with u, nor do i want to

and wi reference to cfls being as hot as hps i hope to prove u wrong ,,,stress i hope , i will find out soon and post pics thnx for all ya info and support
 
NorthWest69

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Does it not make sense that the heat would rise depending on the amount of Watts being used? Whether they're HPS or CFL, more watts = more heat. What seems to most effect the coolness of HPS or CFLs in how they are cooled, which really isn't about the lights at all.

Also I'm not arguing, I'm debating. You probably also are willing to "debate" or you wouldn't have become part of an online community where people share and discuss different growing techniques in hopes of maybe learning something.

I'm sorry I called you rediculous, I was out of line. I didn't mean to attack your method of growing pot, I can see your 1000 watts of CFLs get solid results.
peace m8
 
sweetsmoker

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man i love u 2 lol no worries:peace::hug:

and i do reckon the cfls will get hot but because the hps have more of the i.r spectrum and are far more intense i hope this will make just that few degrees difference, always open to friendly debate and i respect ya views, here av a toke on mine :joint::joint:
 
katwoman2012

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Just to be sure, Sweets, you're talking about the equivalent watts to CFL. For example, 42=150 and that 150 is part of your total 1000? My room is 8' x 10' with three open cabs and 732W CFL= 1950W incandesent. The temp is 2 degrees higher than rest of house. I'd think the point would be pulling the 732W out of your power bill vs. the 1950. I have a total of 14 lights in that little room.
 
FrontaLobotomy

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Disclaimer: No lightbulbs were touched in the making of this thread

I saw these 4 cfl lamps the other day while scouring eBay and they certainly aroused my interest. I'm in the final stages of my own cfl grow using a single 250w, and I have to admit it's been very encouraging. A lot has been said about cfl not giving enough light penetration, but I got 4 girls that aren't doing too badly at the moment, and I'm enjoying not using so much electricity. I think your lamp will contribute nicely to a highly productive screen of green grow. I'll be looking to attempt something similar in a few months maybe. Keep us posted on how your grow is doing.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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Fronta only drawback to what your saying is that you can buy a 250 watt hps light at like home depopt for around $60 which will give a deep penetration and better flowering light spectrum and still uses the same 250 watts your lesser cfl does so not sure what you mean by using less electricity just as if you used 1000watts of cfl instead of a 1000 watt hps. the elctrical use is the same but the cfl yield and desity is less but you might save the temps some but not using any less electricity
 
Cliddy

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Dude I cant wait. Let me know how it goes. I have an 872w CFL set up in a 4x2x4 space. I am just at the seedling stage but they seem to be loving it. I have 3x 200w bulbs and then 4x 68w bulbs (actual watts)
 
laserbrn

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Cliddy said:
Dude I cant wait. Let me know how it goes. I have an 872w CFL set up in a 4x2x4 space. I am just at the seedling stage but they seem to be loving it. I have 3x 200w bulbs and then 4x 68w bulbs (actual watts)
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Haha....why? You mean 872 REAL watts or equivalent?
 
laserbrn

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Cliddy said:
Please note at the bottom of my thread I said actual watts. What is the same as saying real REAL watts.
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Don't know how I missed that, sorry.

You better get some serious dank outta that or it's a complete waste. Hard to imagine you'll do better with that many watts of CFL's than you would with HID's. Some people don't get it though I guess.
 
Cliddy

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I wanted to do HID 's but in my space I was really worried about heat/IR. So I went CFL thinking it would be cool, as it turns out these 200w CFL's get a little toasty, without ventilation, I can get the temp up to 100 (good news if I want to slow cook a curry). I have a shag load of ventilation 425cfm in and out (clears the room of air in like 1min), I can easily control the temp as night; durning hot days I struggle a to keep it below 84. I'm going to be going 6 to 8 lowryders 2. I am hoping to get 1.5oz per plant. But that is a stretch.
 
FrontaLobotomy

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FilthyFletch said:
Fronta only drawback to what your saying is that you can buy a 250 watt hps light at like home depopt for around $60 which will give a deep penetration and better flowering light spectrum and still uses the same 250 watts your lesser cfl does so not sure what you mean by using less electricity just as if you used 1000watts of cfl instead of a 1000 watt hps. the elctrical use is the same but the cfl yield and desity is less but you might save the temps some but not using any less electricity
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I meant in terms of energy consumption man. I found that my bill was less than when I'd used hps in the past. Ballasts are inefficient, costly and give off too much heat. I'm not in a position to dispute which gives the most light penetration, but I've yet to see any significant drawbacks, except that it's maybe taken a little longer to finish flowering than I expected. Perhaps if I was using a whole room I'd have to take a different approach.
 
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