Captured soldure. message from the heart?

[LT1RX7 Drifter]

^^^ you sir have never served that's clear, almost 70% of the enlisted personal in the armed forces only enlisted cause they need a job, not to ensure your freedom, i myself think we need to give 911 a rest talking about it is pointless simply due to the fact we are all different with even more different opinions, weather they knew or not doesn't change what happened as far as the norad thing that whole issue is a joke the thing is a waste of taxpayer money

 

[ChChoda]

^^^ you sir have never served that's clear, almost 70% of the enlisted personal in the armed forces only enlisted cause they need a job, not to ensure your freedom, i myself think we need to give 911 a rest talking about it is pointless simply due to the fact we are all different with even more different opinions, weather they knew or not doesn't change what happened as far as the norad thing that whole issue is a joke the thing is a waste of taxpayer money

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of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never
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If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners.

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obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me, and will back them up in
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When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give
only my name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering
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I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom,
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[TheBrutalTruth]

You could save those same jobs and use that same money by having our military building those schools and hospitals that I mentioned. The army corp of engineers http://www.usace.army.mil/Pages/Default.aspx would have been a great group to start that.

Operations Other Than War -

No, the military should not be used in that way. The military is for fighting, not for building, policing, or other misuses.

The military is for national defense.

If we need schools builty, and hospitals built (which we don't, not by the federal government anyway) then let private firms do it, instead of cutting the legs out from under those firms by forcing them to compete with the government.

The military should be training, because no amount of training is wasted. The cost of using the military for Operations Other Than War is writ large in the blood of the Soldiers lost during World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

I can not condone such a blatant misuse of the military when it is going to have such dire reprecussions when they have to be called upon to fulfill their duty.

We could have even started out fighting, after we took over the country, stopped the fighting and immediately started to build the schools. That was what 6 years ago or so now, kids in (if our system was used) 6th grade would have been graduating now with a good education to help the country completely rebuild.

If you mean in Iraq. I am sure that the Army Corps of Engineers are doing just that already.

Regardless our American military men and women deserve better from our country.

Well, it is clear we shouldn't just abandon our dead until victory is assertained, to withdraw now would be to waste the sacrifice our soldiers made in those foreign lands.

Our duty, now that war has occurred, is to prosecute it to the best of our abilities to achieve victory. Not to throw away the lives of those that have already died.

Should we be in those countries.

:: shrugs ::

I fear no one but a few know the real answer, though I'm inclined to believe that we should.

 

[hanimmal]

Operations Other Than War -

No, the military should not be used in that way. The military is for fighting, not for building, policing, or other misuses.

The military is for national defense.

If we need schools builty, and hospitals built (which we don't, not by the federal government anyway) then let private firms do it, instead of cutting the legs out from under those firms by forcing them to compete with the government.

The military should be training, because no amount of training is wasted. The cost of using the military for Operations Other Than War is writ large in the blood of the Soldiers lost during World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

I can not condone such a blatant misuse of the military when it is going to have such dire reprecussions when they have to be called upon to fulfill their duty.

We don't need the size of the military we have now, you yourself pointed to the 2 year standing rule. But we don't need them all to do so. We can have most of them training/watching over the building and still have enough to do the building.

I am talking in the countries that we are fighting we make them, not here in the states. I would rather not allow that to get into the whole blackwater mess.

Just think a alternate view of how to 'fight' wars is needed with schools and hospitals being built on mass as soon as it is safe to do so. Fighting the way we do is not good for peace and rebuilding. If we make small bases with the main body of military keeping it safe it would work well even in combat areas.

If you mean in Iraq. I am sure that the Army Corps of Engineers are doing just that already.

Yeah anywhere we are fighting, I am sure some rebuilding is happening, but far too late. We already screwed the pooch on winning over the hearts. The guns should have stopped as soon as Saddams statue fell. If we would have secured areas and built inside and turned it over they would be done there by now.

I fear no one but a few know the real answer, though I'm inclined to believe that we should.

I am on the fence. We need to help them, getting rid of Saddam was not a bad thing, but most everything else we have done was ass backwards. It is better to help a person up with a hand, then to shoot all the people that disagree and hope they decide to stand.

 

[Rob Roy]

Now, before you go humming country songs about kicking ass, and accuse me of being a wimp maybe you should give a geography lesson to your Neocon buddies and show them where Saudi Arabia is, that's where 15 of the attackers were from.

I'm all for defending our country, but to kill innocent people under the pretext of bringing them freedom is horse shit.

(you have never been there so how would you know? You have never spoke to any of those people? Just because you take freedom for granted doesn't mean they do)

I got a kid in the marines if he dies in some stupid ass war for oil I ain't going to be happy, especially knowing it could
have been prevented. The United States was not attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq, Those countries were attacked by the United States. No false flag b.s. will change that.

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Sorry you felt the need to attack me..I know where Saudi and Iraq is I severed there during wartime. So through your way of thinking we should defend our shore only...

the 15 attackers were from sauidi yes but they trained in Iraq and afgan. Also why do you think your so smart an I'm so dumb? DID U SERVE?

God Bless your son, May God keep him safe. Please let him know that I for One really appricate his service

Not trying to attack you. Sorry if it came across that way.

By my way of thinking we should not have 700 foreign military bases or spend nearly as much as the rest of the world combined on military expenditures, it's insane, too costly and illegal. (see article 1 section 8 of the Constitution). We are not defending our freedom that way, we are practicing global domination.

I do think I'm smart...guilty as charged.
I don't assume you are dumb or that I'm smarter than you, I don't know you.

I did not serve in the middle east. I'm guessing I'm a little older than you.

I hope the young man that is the subject of this thread, you, and all the troops make it home, where you belong.

 

[ten feet!]

Well, it is clear we shouldn't just abandon our dead until victory is assertained, to withdraw now would be to waste the sacrifice our soldiers made in those foreign lands.

Because thousands of troops died for nothing in Bush's wars they now should continue on to somehow justify the death of those troops? How will we know when there is "victory"?

 

[Hemlock]

Thats a lie Osama never set up camps inside of Iraq

Natrone, with all due respect, I saw those camps in recon photo's. Now maybe Osama didn't build them but he used them and sent his recruits there to train. Thats a fact.

 

[Hemlock]

Not trying to attack you. Sorry if it came across that way.

By my way of thinking we should not have 700 foreign military bases or spend nearly as much as the rest of the world combined on military expenditures, it's insane, too costly and illegal. (see article 1 section 8 of the Constitution). We are not defending our freedom that way, we are practicing global domination.

I do think I'm smart...guilty as charged.
I don't assume you are dumb or that I'm smarter than you, I don't know you.

I did not serve in the middle east. I'm guessing I'm a little older than you.

I hope the young man that is the subject of this thread, you, and all the troops make it home, where you belong.

Not trying to attack me??????? So you were just impling that I'm so sort of dumb ass hick thats gets pulled around by the nose and shoots whatever the Military tells me to, you then implied that me and my neocon's should get a globe...Man I hope no one treats your son that way. Hope you are proud of yourself...You are so smart...

 

[natrone23]

Natrone, with all due respect, I saw those camps in recon photo's. Now maybe Osama didn't build them but he used them and sent his recruits there to train. Thats a fact.

What year did you see these photos

 

[Hemlock]

On whats called a Military READ board....it is updated daily with photo's names and places. Its classified reading.

 

[bakeddude]

Stop saying you know whats going on when you don't. I just read this whole thread and the claims people are making are outrageous. If you have never been to Iraq or Afghanistan then shut the hell up because you don't know jack shit about whats going on over there unless YOU HAVE BEEN. You think the stuff the media portrays is bad? You haven't even seen 90% of HOW BAD IT REALLY IS.

To Hemlock....Put down our guns and build schools after the statue falls in Iraq? Are you delusional? Have you not heard of the taliban? The shiats? The sunies? Theres kids with bombs strapped to them approaching US convoys and bases. There are normal looking citizens who want to shake hands and then a bomb blows up. You go over there with no firearm and be the brave bad ass you think you are.

Your just reiterating the lies the media already tells you. This country is hopeless for that very reason.

 

[natrone23]

I think your talking about the the palestinian training camps witch do not have any connection with OBL.

The CIA has concluded there was no connection between Iraq and Al qaeda.

Saddam never supported AQ or OBL.

 

[jfgordon1]

Because thousands of troops died for nothing in Bush's wars they now should continue on to somehow justify the death of those troops? How will we know when there is "victory"?

what are you talking about? ... we won a LONG time ago

Edit: it isn't Bush's war... It's the banker's war...

David Rockefeller made 200 million during ww2 while america was in debt 258 billion. Bankers provoke war, then provide money loans for both sides of the war. it's all just a game...

 

[what... huh?]

Al Zaquiri...


Anyone?


Anyone?


Anyone have any idea his affiliation with any organizations?

Anyone have any idea how long he has lived in Iraq?

Anyone have any idea how long it took us to root out Falluja?

Anyone understand at all how a brutal totalitarian regime which engages in genocide handles unwelcome guests taking over huge towns?

Anyone?




Anyone figured out that we are fighting bad guys over there?

Anyone figured out that we are not fighting bad guys over here?

Anyone comfortable with the bad guys fighting the most awesome force to ever walk the planet instead of civilians?

Anyone?

Those of you who do not believe that Al Queda exists need not answer.

 

[TreesOfLife]

I think your talking about the the palestinian training camps witch do not have any connection with OBL.

The CIA has concluded there was no connection between Iraq and Al qaeda.

Saddam never supported AQ or OBL.

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[jfgordon1]

Those of you who do not believe that Al Queda exists need not answer.

Oh al qaeda exists... and we pretty much created it. the've been our friends since the 80's.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=al-qaeda&startpos=0

 

[what... huh?]

I am so sick of the mission accomplished thing.


The mission was to remove the regime from power. It was done with minimal collateral damage. We were proud of our troops for handling that very major mission with the dignity that grants them the title of "Best". Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[natrone23]

More al qaeda members lived in the U.S than Iraq.

 

[what... huh?]

No possible way to defend that belief. You don't know how many there are now, nor how many were there before, nor here.

I would rather the fight be there than here.

It was the prudent decision... which is why everyone in power made it... and everyone in power to this day still make it. Congress could have sent them home at any time... they didn't, and still don't.

 

[jfgordon1]

It was the prudent decision... which is why everyone in power made it... and everyone in power to this day still make it. Congress could have sent them home at any time... they didn't, and still don't.

Congress is simply bought and paid for. sad, but true...

Even the God loving Huckabee

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It's not what's best for the country and the people.. it's what's best for them