Obama's Certificate of Live Birth...

fdd2blk

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some people will argue just for the sake of it/ if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem
i'm pretty sure that's all it is. they will come back with answers but it will be ways to prosecute obama and not ways to actually help the country. the whole politics section is the same 5 lame ass arguments. no matter what the real answer is there are no winners. some of these guys actually like politicians. :neutral:
 
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i'm serious. everybody bitches, yet no one has an answer.
I'm not real clear on what the question is. Are you saying if the bc did come out and showed Obama to have been born abroad what then? I doubt he would be removed from office. Even I wouldn't advocate that. But after being caught in a deception so huge, I think he would find it impossible to remain in office and he would resign. That's why that isn't going to happen.

If you're also curious - I don't think the bc will come out while he's in office but it will when he leaves and it will only heighten his stature with his community for having pulled it off. He will not run for a second term. He knew that coming in. By then a number of states will have passed laws requiring him, and any candidate, to show the bc in order to be on the ballot.
 
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if you don't think the rep standing gov. didn't check this out you are seriously flawed
I understand why you would think that and I'm not going to berate you for thinking it, even with the personal slur. Don't you think this has come up before? Don't you think there have been searches for records on ANY branch of government anywhere ever investigating Obama's natural born status? There are NO records anywhere to back you up. NONE, it never happened.

Some of you seem to find this hard to understand. Obama was a citizen and had valid ID all along, Just like Arnold does. But he never needed to prove his natural born status and he never did (because he couldn't). If you want to argue that it was done officially somewhere in the past then you need to be able to cite the official record on that. You can't. Didn't happen. Loophole. Cover-up.

And let me add again (yawn) that Hawaii confirms the bc was never NEVER released to anyone. And the bc is the only document that can establish his natural born status, although many others can establish his citizenship.
 

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Where on earth are you getting your info?


I am posting it all as I go.


Try being audited by the IRS and saying "I'm not going to show you those records, but here is someone who will tell you they have seen them, is that OK?" LOL. Nothing but evidence that is admissable in court means anything.


The court recognizes the director of the Hawaii State Department of Health as an expert witness. Keeper of records also. Their validation IS evidence. He also has his LEGAL Hawaii birth certificate... the only one they have issued since 2001.

You are nuts if you don't think Hawaii generates long form bcs, in fact Hawaii REQUIRES them for their own job system.


Don't know where you are getting YOUR information from.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

Actually try reading that.


And they have said they would release Obama's if he allowed it. LOL You say short forms are accepted in every state, and Hawaii won't even accept their own. Plus it is a known fact that children born abroad were issued colbs just like Obama's.


That is frankly just incorrect. You can get any job in Hawaii with the birth cert you saw. The only thing you can possibly be talking about is the
Hawaiian Home Lands program... which requires that your blood contains aboriginal Hawaiian blood also. They are obviously behind the times, as you can no longer get a long form.

When all the blahbalh is done stop and consider one simple thing - why is Obama spending millions to avoid releasing the bc? Why, if there is nothing to hide, doesn't he just end it and make his detractors look like fools? Why? Cricketts. NO-one has an answer for that. COVER_UP!
I have several answers for that.

1. It sets a precedent for refusing to provide documents he is not legally compelled to. Perhaps there are, or will be some real zingers he DOESN'T want to release. This establishes a pattern. Like for instance when a foreign nation accuses us of some act of espionage. The CIA/FBI/NSA refuse to confirm or deny any of it. Even when they can clearly clear themselves. Even if they are set up. It is smart policy on the dark side (no racial pun intended).

2. It makes people foaming at the mouth like you look like idiots. That would make me smile too.

3. IF compelled, the document can be easily conjured... furthering the presumption of innocence in the future.




The real question is... since the document was vetted by intel... why the hell would he release it? Surely you don't buy the whole "transparency" promises... He is a fucking politician.
 
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I am posting it all as I go.


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The court recognizes the director of the Hawaii State Department of Health as an expert witness. Keeper of records also. Their validation IS evidence. He also has his LEGAL Hawaii birth certificate... the only one they have issued since 2001.

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Don't know where you are getting YOUR information from.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

Actually try reading that.


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That is frankly just incorrect. You can get any job in Hawaii with the birth cert you saw. The only thing you can possibly be talking about is the
Hawaiian Home Lands program... which requires that your blood contains aboriginal Hawaiian blood also. They are obviously behind the times, as you can no longer get a long form.



I have several answers for that.

1. It sets a precedent for refusing to provide documents he is not legally compelled to. Perhaps there are, or will be some real zingers he DOESN'T want to release. This establishes a pattern. Like for instance when a foreign nation accuses us of some act of espionage. The CIA/FBI/NSA refuse to confirm or deny any of it. Even when they can clearly clear themselves. Even if they are set up. It is smart policy on the dark side (no racial pun intended).

2. It makes people foaming at the mouth like you look like idiots. That would make me smile too.

3. IF compelled, the document can be easily conjured... furthering the presumption of innocence in the future.




The real question is... since the document was vetted by intel... why the hell would he release it? Surely you don't buy the whole "transparency" promises... He is a fucking politician.

Well, let me just say I think you are wrong all through but think what you want. You seem too emotionally attached to Obama to be open-minded. Let me just ask you for your citation on "intel" having done a damn thing re Obama's birth. Or is that is big secret too?
 

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"Surely you don't buy the whole "transparency" promises... He is a fucking politician."


You take this to be Obama cock sucking? The man is fleecing my daughters future. You picked the wrong guy to dismiss as emotionally attached. Find something else.




You obviously have no idea how intelligence works... no p... ok... pun intended.
 
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"Surely you don't buy the whole "transparency" promises... He is a fucking politician."


You take this to be Obama cock sucking? The man is fleecing my daughters future. You picked the wrong guy to dismiss as emotionally attached. Find something else.




You obviously have no idea how intelligence works... no p... ok... pun intended.

So you have a theory that someone in intel at some point investigated Obama's natural born status, but you have no evidence of that all, and you want us to just accept it because that's the way intelligence works? If there is no record, it didn't happen. Logically, legally and in every other way.
 

CrackerJax

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It's about not letting the issue die....and it shouldn't.

From the ppl to the White House if necessary. It is important to maintain the pattern that they work for us. Obama believes himself to be an elitist and beyond reach. This needs to be corrected. He needs to provide PROOF. The DNC needs to fess up to its collusion to this travesty. There needs to be an investigation.

Perhaps it is a waste of time to post about it on a MJ forum, but conversely someone could point to RIU and say, look, even a bunch of stoners get it. Maybe there are patriots in that group....and there are.
 

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I didn't suggest it had to be good enough to you.


I said it was good enough to me. No matter what you hear it will not be good enough for you, because you cannot understand a motive without criminal intent.


Basically... you think like a cop.

"If you have nothing to hide, why can't I search your car?"

Because.
 

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I didn't suggest it had to be good enough to you.


I said it was good enough to me. No matter what you hear it will not be good enough for you, because you cannot understand a motive without criminal intent.


Basically... you think like a cop.

"If you have nothing to hide, why can't I search your car?"

Because.
You compare the Presidency to getting pulled over by a cop. /golfclap
 

CrackerJax

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Every other President has given full disclosure.

Why should Obama get a pass?

Why are his college admissions off limits?

These are simple questions.....
 
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I suppose it was part of the big conspiracy to get Obama's grandmother in kenya to say she was present there at his birth? And what about his trip to Pakistan in 1981? US citizens were not allowed to visit Pakistan in 1981. He had to have had a passport from another country.

Actually I don't place much credence in that sort of thing. But weak as it is, it is superior to the arguments were hear from the Obama apologists - that surely someone somewhere made sure he was natural born, even though there is no record of it. And the newspaper clippings, when we know babies born abroad had the same announcements.

What it really boils down to is none of us has any reason to bleive one way or the other. It's as if I say I have a quarter on this desk and ask you if it is heads or tails. You have no way of knowing because you can't see the only thing that can answer the question. He spends over a million dollars to keep it hidden, and some people see nothing suspicious in that? That is allowing your partisan loyalty to get way out in front of your basic respect for the rule of law. We should all be open minded and admit we just don't know. Then the only thing is to decide whether you care or not.
 

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I suppose it was part of the big conspiracy to get Obama's grandmother in kenya to say she was present there at his birth?
I addressed this already. Someone on a phone, in a foreign language, claims to be Obama's grandmother... and you accept that without question... but multiple newspaper announcements, government officials, and the Supreme Court tell you that he WAS born where he says, and you scream conspiracy.


And what about his trip to Pakistan in 1981? US citizens were not allowed to visit Pakistan in 1981. He had to have had a passport from another country.
I don't have any information on this. I will research and let you know.

Actually I don't place much credence in that sort of thing. But weak as it is, it is superior to the arguments were hear from the Obama apologists - that surely someone somewhere made sure he was natural born, even though there is no record of it. And the newspaper clippings, when we know babies born abroad had the same announcements.
With local addresses? Show me.

What it really boils down to is none of us has any reason to bleive one way or the other. It's as if I say I have a quarter on this desk and ask you if it is heads or tails. You have no way of knowing because you can't see the only thing that can answer the question. He spends over a million dollars to keep it hidden, and some people see nothing suspicious in that? That is allowing your partisan loyalty to get way out in front of your basic respect for the rule of law. We should all be open minded and admit we just don't know. Then the only thing is to decide whether you care or not.
We have the States assurance, government assurance, and we have a SCOTUS decision recognizing the short form cert. valid as LEGAL PROOF OF BIRTH. We have 3 lawsuits thrown out as frivolous BY the SCOTUS.

He has demonstrated all he is legally required... and I am satisfied that the fascist is indeed a natural born American. Do not question my patriotism because I disagree with you.
 
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I addressed this already. Someone on a phone, in a foreign language, claims to be Obama's grandmother... and you accept that without question... but multiple newspaper announcements, government officials, and the Supreme Court tell you that he WAS born where he says, and you scream conspiracy.




I don't have any information on this. I will research and let you know.



With local addresses? Show me.



We have the States assurance, government assurance, and we have a SCOTUS decision recognizing the short form cert. valid as LEGAL PROOF OF BIRTH. We have 3 lawsuits thrown out as frivolous BY the SCOTUS.

He has demonstrated all he is legally required... and I am satisfied that the fascist is indeed a natural born American. Do not question my patriotism because I disagree with you.

If everything you say were true, he would release the birth certificate. You can spin all you want but he is the only president in history who has not and you cannot find a glib way to make that insignificant.

This is no longer within the ability of the Obama media handlers to control. It has gone viral. More and more people are open minded and look at what has been done, and agree a cover-up couldn't look anymore like a cover-up.

You are satisfied that Obama is natural born, but you have zero basis for it. What you have is an article of faith. Faith in the Dear Leader. How nice for you. I want to see the source document. By the way, you are looking for an argument and you are saying ridiculous things, so I'm just going to put you on ignore now and you can have the last word, to yourself.
 

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WASHINGTON – California Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.

This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General
in Mombasa, Kenya.

Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.

An enlarged view of the bottom of the document

Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].
"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
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Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.
(Story continues below)



The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."
Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."
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WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
Developing ...

Note: Members of the news media wishing to interview Joseph Farah, Jerome Corsi, Drew Zahn, Joe Kovacs, Chelsea Schilling,Les Kinsolving or Bob Unruh on this issue, please contact WND.
 
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I'm wary of WND and wary of anything that looks like a bombshell. Team Obama is deep into the use of psyops on this and this may be a setup. That said it could very well be real, but I doubt it will fly in court because there is no chain of custody (I assume). We will probably see dueling document experts arguing over it which is good, it just grows the story that much faster!
 
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