Autoflower Vs 12/12 from seed --I want to settle this

[oasis515]

I have researched and read about growing for years but i am pretty new to "applying" what i have learned. One thing i'm unclear about is -

what are the differences between Autoflowering strains and 12/12 from seed in terms of yield potency?Also, why would it be better tto grow one or the other?

Really curious to see what people have to say.

 

[chompy]

autoflowering strains you can leave the light on 20/4 or whatever the seed bank says to use. no need to switch to 12/12 like the rest of them

 

[oasis515]

autoflowering strains you can leave the light on 20/4 or whatever the seed bank says to use. no need to switch to 12/12 like the rest of them

so then light cycle flexibility would be a positive for the autoflowers. Is paying the extra six to eight hours a day on an electric bill worth it for an autoflower compared to a regular strain at 12/12 from seed?

 

[chompy]

so then light cycle flexibility would be a positive for the autoflowers. Is paying the extra six to eight hours a day on an electric bill worth it for an autoflower compared to a regular strain at 12/12 from seed?

yes. however regular strains should not be started out at 12/12 from seed unless you want a disappointing harvest and strange looking plants. i would veg 18/6 then switch to 12/12.

 

[oasis515]

yes. however regular strains should not be started out at 12/12 from seed unless you want a disappointing harvest and strange looking plants. i would veg 18/6 then switch to 12/12.

I undertand that the typical way of growing(ex:18/6-12/12) will yield and produce the best.BUT

Out of autoflower and 12/12 from seed--which one?

In the threads there are people that SWEAR by 12/12 and have the pics to back it up, and there are people that prefer the Autos.

It seems as though unless you have a nice light (HID of 400w or higher) 12/12 from seed will produce be weeny turd plants. I could be wrong though.

Autoflowers seem to have an edege. still open for discussion.

 

[Drio]

Clones that go straight into 12/12 can produce alot.

I have no experience with dwarfs to comment on them though :S

 

[chitownsmoking]

12/12 from seed will only give u decent yields with certain strains mainly sativas. 12/12 from clone is a much better option imo. auto strains are no were near the potency of strains like og kush bubba kush and sour d

 

[Mammoth22]

Would the clone need to be rooted yet? I was aware that you didnt need much veg time for clones befor flowering, but have wondered if you could cut and just throw it into the flowering phase.

 

[snail240]

my clones 12/12 give me 1oz or 1 1/2 oz but also take a couple extra weeks Autoflowers are fast and can grow under 20/4 if they made autoflowers more geneticly stable they would be better for people just growing personal in small spaces with cfls. It depends on your set up if your just growing a couple plants every few months autoflowers are perfect for mass production its to much hassle and not enough yeild.

 

[chitownsmoking]

Would the clone need to be rooted yet? I was aware that you didnt need much veg time for clones befor flowering, but have wondered if you could cut and just throw it into the flowering phase.

yes they would have to be rooted

 

[JayRyan]

I've been doing the autoflower for about 9 months now, and have found that some breeds are "well done" as in they grow the same size and have similar results bud wise, where as others seem to have mutants that don't do too well.

My best luck has been with White Russians (White Widow/AK47). They grow about 8-10 inches tall, produce good bud. I have also had fair results from Lemon Skunk, but some of them will shoot up to 3 ft tall, not good if you have a small grow area. The high is generally as good as regular, and you can turn your crops faster (9 weeks seed to finish).

The down side is that you need seeds, you can not clone these. So, for the summer I did some PPP outside, and let them go all summer and will harvest in the fall. I see the auto as a good winter, spring crop. Small, no messing with light schedules, but like I said, you need seed.

For seed, these guys are the best! http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/

5 day delivery, and never lost a package.

 

[oasis515]

Nice!!! so 12/12 from clone is a viable and worthwhile way to go.

Autoflower strains are weak on the THC?? I thought this was a problem only with the first Auto strains. From what i can see a lot of the autos out now (especially the new auto strains) look like they would dominate your face off.

So If i am getting this right- 12/12 light cycle from seed will have no effect on potency, just yield. So 12/12 will be more potent then auto? but both will still finish early within a week or two of eachother?

 

[chitownsmoking]

they havent reached 20% plus thc yet

 

[oasis515]

20% is crazy bananas. i hope i'm that lucky.I wonder if there's a way for a typical person to test THC of the plants they produce.
(besides smoking them)

 

[chitownsmoking]

20% is crazy bananas. i hope i'm that lucky.I wonder if there's a way for a typical person to test THC of the plants they produce.
(besides smoking them)

get a really good scale and a kif box break up a gram of the nugg and kif it and see how much weight u get if its .1 its 10% thc if its .2 its 20% only problem is all the other shit like cbd cbn will be included but it will give u an idea

 

[oasis515]

get a really good scale and a kif box break up a gram of the nugg and kif it and see how much weight u get if its .1 its 10% thc if its .2 its 20% only problem is all the other shit like cbd cbn will be included but it will give u an idea

Right on man--- It's a better formula then the one i was using that didn't work, or make sense....

I actually just bought a nice scale. i'm gonna put that method to work. thanks again.

 

[chitownsmoking]

some scales will read past .1 or .2 like .12 or .21 or w/e they cost more money

 

[oasis515]

I've been doing the autoflower for about 9 months now, and have found that some breeds are "well done" as in they grow the same size and have similar results bud wise, where as others seem to have mutants that don't do too well.

My best luck has been with White Russians (White Widow/AK47). They grow about 8-10 inches tall, produce good bud. I have also had fair results from Lemon Skunk, but some of them will shoot up to 3 ft tall, not good if you have a small grow area. The high is generally as good as regular, and you can turn your crops faster (9 weeks seed to finish).

The down side is that you need seeds, you can not clone these. So, for the summer I did some PPP outside, and let them go all summer and will harvest in the fall. I see the auto as a good winter, spring crop. Small, no messing with light schedules, but like I said, you need seed.

For seed, these guys are the best! http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/

5 day delivery, and never lost a package.

Yeah i got my WTF Ryders from The Attitude. Though i did not get what i ordered, that was WOS fault not The Attitude. I did get sweet freebis and no problems ordering/shipping.I also like their selection of individual seeds if you wanted that one special strain in your grow.


There seems to be a buch of pros and cons with autos and 12/12 from seed.
I was thinking-- can you re-veg from a plant that has gone 12/12 the whole way? If so, that seems to be a huge $ bonus in over the autos

Also, my auto ak smells like piss....
why

is it genetics? as i've said i'm pretty new to actual growing.

 

[darkdestruction420]

so then light cycle flexibility would be a positive for the autoflowers. Is paying the extra six to eight hours a day on an electric bill worth it for an autoflower compared to a regular strain at 12/12 from seed?

the chemical that promotes big bud growth is made in the dark period. or do autoflowerers make it either way?do an autoflower on 12/12 if your worried about electrict bill. lol
or try both of em. it'll be an interesting little experiment for ya. just remove the ones that are 12/12 from the cabinet and let the autoflower get there full 20/4 or 24/0. it will actually take longer for them to flower with 24/0, lol. maybe just flip down to 18/6 when she starts flowering. then later gradually to 12/12 or 14/10 as the plant finishes itself. autoflowering plants are better than 12/12 from seed in my opinion but in the truth its really the same results either way imo

 

[oasis515]

the chemical that promotes big bud growth is made in the dark period. or do autoflowerers make it either way?do an autoflower on 12/12 if your worried about electrict bill. lol
or try both of em. it'll be an interesting little experiment for ya. just remove the ones that are 12/12 from the cabinet and let the autoflower get there full 20/4 or 24/0. it will actually take longer for them to flower with 24/0, lol. maybe just flip down to 18/6 when she starts flowering. then later gradually to 12/12 or 14/10 as the plant finishes itself. autoflowering plants are better than 12/12 from seed in my opinion but in the truth its really the same results either way imo

hey thanks man- i'm not sure about the dark period chemical thing. I have the auto ak on an 18-19 hours of light a day now that they are blooming. the rest of the WTF Ryders are under t-5's for 11 dark 13 light as an experiment. Its nice to see somebody else favor autos. Mix of views and opinions is awesome.