CrackerJax
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I asked where were these same principles when Bush was in office....that's a FAIR question....since the answer is already EVIDENT by your posting of this thread....
Do People Have The Right To Organize And Shut Down Town Hall Discussion?
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Johnnyorganic
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According to the Chosen One, the answer is 'Yes, WE can!'
At least that was the case in September 2008.
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CrackerJax
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Chicago political tactics being played out on a national scale. A national shame.
medicineman
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I believe most of the posters didn't understand the gist of the thread, so here it is:
Do people have the right to organize and shut down town hall meetings?
This is actually a 2 part question.
The explanation here may help. The act of shutting down town hall meetings may or may not be legal, but it is certainly counterproductive to the democratic process.
People have the legal right to organize, but organizing to shut
down a legally held town hall meeting may in itself be llegal. Someone should test this hypothesis.
I have no problems with the republican party of 'no' atternding these meetings en-masse and respectfully voicing their opposition, but when they act like 6 year olds, they need to be spanked and put in the corner.
Town hall meeting is the word here, not mob rule, meeting not berating and threatining. It seems to me the Insurance companies are winning, again. I wonder just how many of these 'protesters' are being paid. The complete show of ignorance of these protesters is really disheartening. I always knew the republicans were mentally challenged, but these guys/gals are way over the line.
When Obama had a meeting he encouraged questions from all sides and answered them to the best of his ability. It was curteous and well behaved and a lot of these crazy notions were dispelled. That is what meetings are, discussion, interaction, and understanding, one hopes.
Do people have the right to organize and shut down town hall meetings?
This is actually a 2 part question.
The explanation here may help. The act of shutting down town hall meetings may or may not be legal, but it is certainly counterproductive to the democratic process.
People have the legal right to organize, but organizing to shut
down a legally held town hall meeting may in itself be llegal. Someone should test this hypothesis.
I have no problems with the republican party of 'no' atternding these meetings en-masse and respectfully voicing their opposition, but when they act like 6 year olds, they need to be spanked and put in the corner.
Town hall meeting is the word here, not mob rule, meeting not berating and threatining. It seems to me the Insurance companies are winning, again. I wonder just how many of these 'protesters' are being paid. The complete show of ignorance of these protesters is really disheartening. I always knew the republicans were mentally challenged, but these guys/gals are way over the line.
When Obama had a meeting he encouraged questions from all sides and answered them to the best of his ability. It was curteous and well behaved and a lot of these crazy notions were dispelled. That is what meetings are, discussion, interaction, and understanding, one hopes.
Johnnyorganic
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No one has the constitutional right to suppress lawful free speech. Paid or not, and that goes for Moveon, ACORN, and the Union goons.
The astroturf argument is priceless!
The Insurance Lobby and Big Pharma are both on the side of Obamacare.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/135407.html
Who's paying for all that expensive advertising time in favor of O-care?
Things that make you go 'Hmmmmm."
CrackerJax
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The poll is phrased oddly and is misleading or at the very least muddy.
Obamas town halls were actually stacked in his favor by selective process..... as opposed to the real town halls which were just whomever showed up. Big difference and once again shows Obama as having to be dishonest to even get some traction with the health care bill..... it's that bad. It's not working either......PPL are catching on to Obama and that looney Congress.
Obamas town halls were actually stacked in his favor by selective process..... as opposed to the real town halls which were just whomever showed up. Big difference and once again shows Obama as having to be dishonest to even get some traction with the health care bill..... it's that bad. It's not working either......PPL are catching on to Obama and that looney Congress.
PVS
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the premise of your question is that organised town-hall intimidation to the point of closure was common or even happened during the bush years. unless you plan on backing that up with documented evidence, i don't plan on answering it.I asked where were these same principles when Bush was in office....that's a FAIR question....since the answer is already EVIDENT by your posting of this thread....
medicineman
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The Insurance Lobby and Big Pharma are both on the side of Obamacare.
I agree, as long as he cops out and loses the public option. This month though, the insurance lobbyists and big pharma were spending millions trying to convince the public that the public option was the dreadful socialized medicine that killed old people and put bureaucrats between you and your doctor, (Like there aren't insurance managers between you and your Dr. now). Without the public option, the only thing that changes is the insurance companies get 50 million new customers. Seems like this is where it is going, shameful and disgusting. I'm sure glad I have VA, the best health care in America. I still have to pay 5 more years before my wife qualifies for medicare, then my teamster insurance is free, including dental and eyecare. I was told that if I had to shop for healthcare for my wife, it would be in the 1000.00-1500.00 a month category and even then I couldn't get it, she has diabetes. Maybe that will change for some, but the victors will still be the Insurance companies.
I agree, as long as he cops out and loses the public option. This month though, the insurance lobbyists and big pharma were spending millions trying to convince the public that the public option was the dreadful socialized medicine that killed old people and put bureaucrats between you and your doctor, (Like there aren't insurance managers between you and your Dr. now). Without the public option, the only thing that changes is the insurance companies get 50 million new customers. Seems like this is where it is going, shameful and disgusting. I'm sure glad I have VA, the best health care in America. I still have to pay 5 more years before my wife qualifies for medicare, then my teamster insurance is free, including dental and eyecare. I was told that if I had to shop for healthcare for my wife, it would be in the 1000.00-1500.00 a month category and even then I couldn't get it, she has diabetes. Maybe that will change for some, but the victors will still be the Insurance companies.
figtree
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we have the right to free speech. we do not have the right to block anothers freedom of speech. dems and repubs guilty of it! lets concentrate on american progress, not stifle anothers point of view. how is it helping to educate when you put out a viewpoint then not let the debate happen. oh yeah, gop doesnt want you to be educated, cant control the minds of an educated society, only an uneducated fearful society. gop is a fear monger! death panels? seriously, we are in america...come on!
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CrackerJax
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No, it means for 8 years you couldn't agree more with presidential bashing, justified or not. If it was Bush, it was bad.
Now some folks have some real concerns and are well within their rights to call the Congress and Pres. out on it. Now you don't like it....now you ASK whether shutting down the protests is an alternative..... sigh.... of course you won't answer it.....
PVS
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liberals were not shutting down town hall meetings in the bush years. you made a baseless implication, and when your bluff was called you resorted to your typical distractive tactic.
fact: you will never prove your implication that liberals committed the same offense, yet you'll continue being the most outspoken about a topic, which you STILL have not directly addressed. how do like them bananas?
CrackerJax
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There's nothing wrong with town hall meetings..... there is no need to shut any down.
and has nothing to back it up.
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