Heaths Flooded Tube Vertical

greenyield

greenyield

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would it be possible to make heaths flooded vertical with the longer length 90 degree bend tubes and straight pipe with the 90 degree tubes at three corners to make the vertical more of a square shape that will fit inside a 1.2 meter tent without loosing yield?

of course the 4th corner would have heaths water level control pipe gadgets and the 90 degree downward sloping tubes to let the water flow to the level below.

any thoughts anyone :-P:?:
 

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nephilthy

nephilthy

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no. the effective throw of a bulb is circular in its intesity of lumens measure the tent you would better off maintaining a circular pattern as the corners where you want the 90 would be furthest from bulb,and hence suffer least amount of growth comparatively to those closer.
if you don't want to buy couplers you can bend pvc with a heat gun,but pvc should be filled with sand,or maybe dirt to prevent kinking on bend.pvc melts at 330 f.if its 7 feet wide or 6 heaths system should fit in your tent.
 
greenyield

greenyield

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nephilthy said:
no. the effective throw of a bulb is circular in its intesity of lumens measure the tent you would better off maintaining a circular pattern as the corners where you want the 90 would be furthest from bulb,and hence suffer least amount of growth comparatively to those closer.
if you don't want to buy couplers you can bend pvc with a heat gun,but pvc should be filled with sand,or maybe dirt to prevent kinking on bend.pvc melts at 330 f.if its 7 feet wide or 6 heaths system should fit in your tent.
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i dont mind spending the money on 45 degree couplers, i was just playing with the idea of fitting it into a 4ft by 4ft space and then i could have 2 of em side by side.:weed:


the heath robinson of the early 1900s:-

Heath Robinson poked fun at the machine age of the mid-1900's and the inventors who took their machine inventions so
seriously. He became famous for his drawings of ridiculously complex and very impractical, ricketty inventions, all designed
to perform absurdly simple tasks. He was also a well-know book illustrator. His book illustrations were just as detailed as his
cartoon-style machines.
His name was also given to a secret and complex code-cracking machine invented in England during World War 2.
His name is often used to describe a piece of equipment which seems unnecessarily complicated, looks as if it might work,
but will probably fall to bits while doing so! We describe such a machine as "a bit Heath Robinson".

whom ever heath is on the forums, in my opinion he is an educated fellow to come up with that name. that is just brilliant.
i notice heath has not posted for some time, could he be doin time... or is he in the big brother house?...lol.

hey heath can ya play the electric guitar, haha. or do you have a big country home with lots of rooms, hehe i hope your gonna be back soon pal with some more kooky ideas (meanining crazy, but great).
 

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nephilthy

nephilthy

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for a 4by 4 enclosed space i would do 2 400 s optimaly in a cool tube so you would have perfect throw for your area.you would have to lose a level so i would run 7 levels with two400's 3 with 1 400hell you might be able to fill that sucker and go 3 400's so 10 levels that would be a little chaotic but it's conceivable.running differant combos of bulbs as you move from veg to flowering.
heaths circular pattern was determined on optimal throw of a 600 so if you have a smaller or larger bulb or space figure the optimal wattage bulb/size system for your conditions.so with 4 levels on a six 3 would be max for a 400 maybe 3.5 if you ussed two 400
with a thousand you could safely add two to 3 more levels.
but if all you have is a six hundred get a cool tube or moniter your plants /temps maybe cut veg time down to 1 week so you wouldn't have them getting fried by the bulb.
 
iloveit

iloveit

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greenyield said:
i dont mind spending the money on 45 degree couplers, i was just playing with the idea of fitting it into a 4ft by 4ft space and then i could have 2 of em side by side.:weed:


the heath robinson of the early 1900s:-

Heath Robinson poked fun at the machine age of the mid-1900's and the inventors who took their machine inventions so
seriously. He became famous for his drawings of ridiculously complex and very impractical, ricketty inventions, all designed
to perform absurdly simple tasks. He was also a well-know book illustrator. His book illustrations were just as detailed as his
cartoon-style machines.
His name was also given to a secret and complex code-cracking machine invented in England during World War 2.
His name is often used to describe a piece of equipment which seems unnecessarily complicated, looks as if it might work,
but will probably fall to bits while doing so! We describe such a machine as "a bit Heath Robinson".

whom ever heath is on the forums, in my opinion he is an educated fellow to come up with that name. that is just brilliant.
i notice heath has not posted for some time, could he be doin time... or is he in the big brother house?...lol.

hey heath can ya play the electric guitar, haha. or do you have a big country home with lots of rooms, hehe i hope your gonna be back soon pal with some more kooky ideas (meanining crazy, but great).
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Heath is definitely around hard at work on his breeding.
 
abellguy

abellguy

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greenyield said:
i dont mind spending the money on 45 degree couplers, i was just playing with the idea of fitting it into a 4ft by 4ft space and then i could have 2 of em side by side.:weed:


the heath robinson of the early 1900s:-

Heath Robinson poked fun at the machine age of the mid-1900's and the inventors who took their machine inventions so
seriously. He became famous for his drawings of ridiculously complex and very impractical, ricketty inventions, all designed
to perform absurdly simple tasks. He was also a well-know book illustrator. His book illustrations were just as detailed as his
cartoon-style machines.
His name was also given to a secret and complex code-cracking machine invented in England during World War 2.
His name is often used to describe a piece of equipment which seems unnecessarily complicated, looks as if it might work,
but will probably fall to bits while doing so! We describe such a machine as "a bit Heath Robinson".

whom ever heath is on the forums, in my opinion he is an educated fellow to come up with that name. that is just brilliant.
i notice heath has not posted for some time, could he be doin time... or is he in the big brother house?...lol.

hey heath can ya play the electric guitar, haha. or do you have a big country home with lots of rooms, hehe i hope your gonna be back soon pal with some more kooky ideas (meanining crazy, but great).
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funny insite!! lol :leaf:
 
nephilthy

nephilthy

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greenyield said:
would it be possible to make heaths flooded vertical with the longer length 90 degree bend tubes and straight pipe with the 90 degree tubes at three corners to make the vertical more of a square shape that will fit inside a 1.2 meter tent without loosing yield?

of course the 4th corner would have heaths water level control pipe gadgets and the 90 degree downward sloping tubes to let the water flow to the level below.

any thoughts anyone :-P:?:
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if you overlaid a perfect circle over your perimeter you would notice that the corners are outside of circle if you make your sites equidistance from bulb and avoid the corners it would work optimally
 
Demosthenese

Demosthenese

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i have recently been looking into using the corrugated 4" plastic drainage pipe for a small verticle closet grow. I can see a few potential downsides off the bat, but i've never used the stuff so i don't know...

1- no joints, so slightly harder to put in the half moon damns. However, as long as u can silicoln sealent to this stuff you could cut a slot in the top of the pipe at the appropriate location and glue in the damn. You'd have no control via the damns on the water level once they were in though...
2- wooden supports required, since this stuff would want to bend out of whatever you placed it on youd need to thread it through a wooden frame. lot of work, although not undoable.
3- will this stuff hold it's shape with a bunch of 3 inch holes drilled in it? i would be planning to have a 3 inch hole and then a 2 inch gap and then a 3 inch hole. How much integrity does the plastic have? could it be bent out of shape by a 10-20g plant and hydroton and such?
4- how tight a bend can this stuff do? like will it bend on it's own 4 inch axis, allowing it to be laid against itself? or does it require a larger area to make a full 180 bend? will 4" bend upon itself without kinking inside of 12"?

Those are my potential worries. Any thoughts? The reality is that if you could use this corrugated drainage stuff instead of pvc, abs or any other plastic piping, it will shave arround 150-200 dollars off of piping cost. This stuff is literally pennies compared to the 13$/ 90 degree bend that 4" pvc costs. I was already planning to heat bend some of the 90's myself if i end up going with pvc/abs, but the 180 bends would still need to be fittings. I'd much rather use this stuff and well insulate it with reflectix.
 
greenyield

greenyield

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iloveit said:
Heath is definitely around hard at work on his breeding.
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aah, breeding you say.

i would like to get my hands on some of his clones specifically bred for vertical growing or even beans.

hey man, ive started building a frame to hold drainpipe in a vertical of 1.2m sq, much like heaths mini vertical but slightly wider diameter.

i will be running it as an nft system, i would like to start my own thread on it but i cant for the life of me find the frickin start new thread option.
 
Demosthenese

Demosthenese

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ok, so i went to HD and checked the corrugated tubing. I think it could be used as a replacement for pvc in a system where you have lots of small bends. In such a system, the bendiness of the tubing is maximized. However my system where i mostly need 90 and 180 degree bends, the corrugated tubing probably wouldn't save me all that much money. To do a 180 bend the tubing needs about a foot and a half of room, more then my small system will allow for, so it wouldn't be optimal. The corrugated tubing also costs 10.98/10 feet at my hd, and so the 3-4 feet of tubing needed for the bends will cost almost as much as the 4.99 it will cost for a pvc 90 degree bend. Although it would still end up being slightly cheaper, the ability to dissasemble the thing and also the ease of putting the dams into a system with pvc piping and joints outweigh the cost reduction. I will be using 4" PVC sewer pipe for my vert system, 12.49/foot. With four tiers, 6 feet per tier, ill need 3 10 foot pipes and 16 90 degree bends. If i add in the hole saw at 40$ the piping should end up arround 160$. I may also need to cover it in reflectix, but we'll see.
Aside from that, 200 on the ikea cabinet, 200 on a 450 CFM fan, 500 for a digital 600w hps/cooltube deal and 100 on the pump. The whole cab should end up around 1200, and it should grow me 48 plants every 60 days, at 10-14g dry/plant, giving me at least 480g per harvest. I'll post pics and stuff once it's built and running; it should be within a couple weeks. I cut clones in preperation for this thing yesterday, and im just waiting on school money to build it.
 
nephilthy

nephilthy

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i posteed this before you havef to have special plugs for pvc or fill with sand to the point that kinking does not occur while heating and bending.want to refrain from keeping dams unmovable as when root structures grow you may get overflow.the inside of couplers allow for a dam to rest on a lip inside you could drill a slot and place dam while if attaching something to pull dam up when roots get to big or changing res.
 
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paradoxical

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Couldn't you use a 2 inch net pot in this instead of 3 inch? I'm thinking of using the same piping, but with two inch net pots. The roots are inside the pipe anyway.

Will this stuff hold it's shape with a bunch of 3 inch holes drilled in it? i would be planning to have a 3 inch hole and then a 2 inch gap and then a 3 inch hole. How much integrity does the plastic have? could it be bent out of shape by a 10-20g plant and hydroton and such?
 
greenyield

greenyield

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paradoxical said:
Couldn't you use a 2 inch net pot in this instead of 3 inch? I'm thinking of using the same piping, but with two inch net pots. The roots are inside the pipe anyway.

Will this stuff hold it's shape with a bunch of 3 inch holes drilled in it? i would be planning to have a 3 inch hole and then a 2 inch gap and then a 3 inch hole. How much integrity does the plastic have? could it be bent out of shape by a 10-20g plant and hydroton and such?
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the pipe clips that hold the pipe to the frame will provide support to the pipe so it shouldnt bend.

you may want to think about how far you space your plants apart, if you get them too close then they will suffer as their roots will grow and intertwine with the neighboring plant.

i use 2" net pots to grow cuttings in and wondered if there would be any difference in yield if i used the 2" instead of the 3".
the only way to find out is to do it and see for yourself IMO.

im going to be using 2" net pots in a mini vertical using drainpipe just to get an idea of what to expect yield wise.
 
Demosthenese

Demosthenese

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there should absolutely not be a yeild difference. Medium is very irrelevant when it comes to a full hydroponic setup, especially DWC like these mini verts. As long as it supports the plant weight properly, any ammount of medium should work. the size of the netpots usually corresponds to plant size only because people growing lager plants start with larger netpots. The two inch net pots would be fine for anything that doesnt have a 2.5 inch stem at the base.
 
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paradoxical

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That's what I thought. I read "Harvest a pound every three weeks" by Stink Bud, which is an excellent thread, and he uses 4 by 4 plastci fence posts with 2 inch net pots. It looks like he drills a small hole at the bottom of the net pot and pushes the stem through, and then uses a neoprene collar to hold it. No medium whatsoever.

I saw some 3 inch flex corruagted black drain pipe at Home Depot today, and thought it could be used. Only $45.00 for 100 feet, and you could just make a circle out of it that goes up 4 levels. What do you all think? Would a 3 inch cortrugated pipe be too skinny for the roots?
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there should absolutely not be a yeild difference. Medium is very irrelevant when it comes to a full hydroponic setup, especially DWC like these mini verts. As long as it supports the plant weight properly, any ammount of medium should work. the size of the netpots usually corresponds to plant size only because people growing lager plants start with larger netpots. The two inch net pots would be fine for anything that doesnt have a 2.5 inch stem at the base.
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nephilthy

nephilthy

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give it a whirl don't think you need a dam site as long as water is flowing and roots are long and healthy ala heaths clones.fuck using a hole saw get a 3"circular drill with a guide bit.
 
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