cloning the clones of the clones of clones

Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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Hey Everyone, so i trolled around for an hour this morning and about 2 hours last night looking for the answer to 2 questions, and i couldnt find an exact answer, or at least one that satisfies me.(ive lurked in the shadows here for about a year, to affraid to speak up lol)

1. Everyone talks about nutrients and what not, when actually PURCHASING them does one need to buy EVERYTHING listed in there charts such as http://www.advancednutrients.com/nutcalc3public/
or would the micro/grow/bloom be enough on there own?

2. Can i purpetually clone the clones of clones of clones of clones? ive seen a couple topics but none seem to hit this on the head(that i could find)
what im more specificly curious about is if one could have 2 hydroponic systems, one specializing in veg and one in bloom(and a diycloner), and both using the same tubs with net pots so all you have to do is switch the lids when its time to flower.
The idea is that before each batch is switched over to a flowering stage i clone each plant, root it, and start veging it in the newly empty veg system
*there guaranteed to be feminized because the first batch im going to start out with a "mother" which is going to just be one plant basically so i have a good begining to clones


(in before= just keep a mother, assume there is no room for a seperate mother to be kept and finances dont really allow it)

Thanks you all for your years of advice and helpbongsmilie
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Answers-

1. The first glow,bloom,micro are juuust fine!
2. Cloning clones is fine, as long as you take care of your ding dang plants. if you are weary that it MAY degrade the quality, start with a new plant/strain after a while.
 
doitinthewoods

doitinthewoods

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You could do it up to about 4 or 5 times, and then you'll usually start to get a degredation of quality, and a genetic drift. I won't really be the same plant anymore.
 
skunkman98536

skunkman98536

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DO NOT listen to that guy^^^^

YOu ccan clone a clone , clone that clone.. w/e does not matter .. i have been doin it for over a yr with no illeffets.. so w/e the hell he is talking about is not true....

ya .. just get veg nuts and flower nuts

now are growing RIGHT NOW?
 
Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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doitinthewoods said:
You could do it up to about 4 or 5 times, and then you'll usually start to get a degredation of quality, and a genetic drift. I won't really be the same plant anymore.
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ok so 4-5 times, that sounds completely reasonable, it would also allow me to completely clean out the system, modify it, update it, and i could start new strains as well... rite?
 
Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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skunkman98536 said:
DO NOT listen to that guy^^^^

YOu ccan clone a clone , clone that clone.. w/e does not matter .. i have been doin it for over a yr with no illeffets.. so w/e the hell he is talking about is not true....

ya .. just get veg nuts and flower nuts

now are growing RIGHT NOW?
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eek! this is the confusion, thats throwing me through a loop, ive read in the forums that clones do degrade in genetic quality, the specific forrum was a little unclear and i felt it was wierded odd(at least for a noobie) which is why i asked the question. So i could clone the clones of clones"forever"and the plant would be as good as the first seed i cloned from?

(not blind, just lost my glass's)
Thank you for your help in advance
 
doitinthewoods

doitinthewoods

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Freak0Nature said:
eek! this is the confusion, thats throwing me through a loop, ive read in the forums that clones do degrade in genetic quality, the specific forrum was a little unclear and i felt it was wierded odd(at least for a noobie) which is why i asked the question. So i could clone the clones of clones"forever"and the plant would be as good as the first seed i cloned from?

(not blind, just lost my glass's)
Thank you for your help in advance
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Sure you can, but eventually you won't have the same plant. It's a fact.
 
skunkman98536

skunkman98536

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dude trust me i noticed i still have cured stuff in a msaon jar from 4grows ago and currently i have some from the grow that just got done.. and they TASTE EXACTLY the same

NO MATTER WHat it will continue to still carry out the same gentic code .. just b/c you take cuttings will not change that fact... it will BE THE SAME ... EVERYYTIME

If you do not beileve me .. then .. there really is not much i can do .. but .. if u want to waste a month or two growing another mature pklant.. then go head.. time is money.. money is time .. so ..
 
skunkman98536

skunkman98536

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BTW .. plz explain to me why the gentics would get diluted throughout the process? .. you have arroused my curiousity .. soo
 
Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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doitinthewoods said:
Sure you can, but eventually you won't have the same plant. It's a fact.
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ok, thats the "vibe" other threads were puting off i just felt like i couldnt get a strait answer(+rep). if any one else has input please feel free!

so far the count is
*Do it forever=1
*Do it for a while=1
*DONT DO IT=0
 
Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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skunkman98536 said:
BTW .. plz explain to me why the gentics would get diluted throughout the process? .. you have arroused my curiousity .. soo
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The easiest way i have seen it explained on here is that its like photocopying a photocopy of a picture(and so on)
although yes it will still be the same picture, it will never be as pure, as crisp, or as clean as the original, becasue it has been replicated over replications instead of just replicas from the original(mother).

But ive seen just as compelling arguments for the oposite, lol
 
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leftreartire

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I do exactly what you stated I run dw and all the totes are the same so ijust pick up the pot and place it in the flower area. I could do the whole lid(6) but I have a size I look for not ever clone gets flowered. weak ones get trashed not to waste my time. and yes you could use the nutes it is just that these other nutes are ways of increasing yeilds
 
Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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leftreartire said:
I do exactly what you stated I run dw and all the totes are the same so ijust pick up the pot and place it in the flower area. I could do the whole lid(6) but I have a size I look for not ever clone gets flowered. weak ones get trashed not to waste my time. and yes you could use the nutes it is just that these other nutes are ways of increasing yeilds
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Thank you for the nute explanation!

Do you clone clones? or are the clones your taking from one mother plant?
 
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regd87

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KP2 said:
if degradation were such a big issue, why are clone only strains so popular?

put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
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lmao I'm also interested in if you can clone forever over and over without having to worry about keeping the mother plant. subscribed.
 
doitinthewoods

doitinthewoods

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Freak0Nature said:
ok, thats the "vibe" other threads were puting off i just felt like i couldnt get a strait answer(+rep). if any one else has input please feel free!

so far the count is
*Do it forever=1
*Do it for a while=1
*DONT DO IT=0
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Hey brother, you don't have to take my word for it. Just because this guy hasn't seen any change doesn't mean it's not happening, and if you do it long enough, you will see a change. A marijuana "clone" isn't actually a clone. It's a cutting. If it were a clone, then the genetics would stay the same. Being that you're taking a one cutting, and exposing it to slightly differen't conditions, and feeding, it will change over time. Even if you don't change anything, it will still happen.
 
Freak0Nature

Freak0Nature

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KP2 said:
if degradation were such a big issue, why are clone only strains so popular?

put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
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From what i have read, clone strains are popular because most people dealing with clones are taking them strait from an old healthy, strong, beautiful, veging mother. the ease of guarantee of both quality and sex are what cuase clone strains so popular. ive never really read anyone dealing with only cloning clones, most grow ops have a mother or multiple mothers. the issue at hand is wheter cloning clones of clones actually lowers the quality/denseness/yield/smell/smoke/whatever of the plant
:D
 
KP2

KP2

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doitinthewoods said:
Hey brother, you don't have to take my word for it. Just because this guy hasn't seen any change doesn't mean it's not happening, and if you do it long enough, you will see a change. A marijuana "clone" isn't actually a clone. It's a cutting. If it were a clone, then the genetics would stay the same. Being that you're taking a one cutting, and exposing it to slightly differen't conditions, and feeding, it will change over time. Even if you don't change anything, it will still happen.
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dna does not change. a cutting is a cutting because it has no roots, not because it's different. they become clones once rooted, meaning that it's a genetic copy (might not look the same, esp if your only experience with that plant is from seed). however, they DO call them CLONES for a reason ;).

and even after years, they're still the same. experience talking :p
 
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