Help!!! 5 Week old babies are sick!

[djsim5]

Hi,

This is my first grow, i'm growing under 5 30w CFL in Australia, every morning i wake up, take the plants outside where they get natural sunlight, then just before it gets dark i put them back under the lights inside, all inclusive they're on a 18/6 light cycle.

As you can kinda see in the photos, the new leaves are sprouting, and they are an extremely pale green, virtually yellow color, and some of the older leaves have some necrosis as you can also see in the photos, any advice would be more than appreciated!

 

[irish farmer]

Have you been using nutrients. It may be nute burn, why are they all in 1 pot it will restrict your groth.Try flushing with ph neutral water and dont use any nutes for a week or so.

 

[djsim5]

I'm assuming flushing it can't do more harm than good at this point...?

 

[caspperrr]

I'm assuming flushing it can't do more harm than good at this point...?

I'm thinking it looks more like not enough trace elements since they effect your younger growth. Nute burn would be burning the leaves, making them curl under and they would be a darker green. Also like irish farmer mentioned having that many plants in that little of a pot is bad news, they will eventually tangle with eachother and cause root bound (if it hasn't already) wich would make them so they can't eat. Good luck

 

[djsim5]

This is all very helpful, if i move them into their own pots, what size should i be looking at for each one?

 

[oj1981]

Looks like nutrient deficiency!
I had a similar problem a week ago
as I wasnt using any nutes.
Mine are just over 4 weeks old and were
showing yellowing of the whole plant at around 3 weeks.
I started my nutes at 1/4 strength last week and they are all
looking great!
I grow in a hydro system

If ya not using nutes yet you may want to give them a small
dose and see how they respond.

Also check your PH levels as it may be as simple as bringing
your PH into check.

Good luck

 

[oj1981]

also the boys are right you need them in seperate pots!
id go for some 3 gallon pots for each plant or something around that size

 

[djsim5]

Alrighty then!

So, First off, move them into their own pots. Should i flush them with neutral ph water, leave them for a day or two before feeding?

 

[oj1981]

I dont grow in soil and never have. Im on my first grow in Hydroton Clay pebbles,
but from what I have read you will want to get everything ready for the transplant
before you start so you can do it as quickly as possible so you dont shock your babies to much.
As far as im aware you want to cup the root system in your hand when moving each plant and
wash the soil off the roots under the tap before re-planting. this will help to prevent any kind
of contamination in the new pots. also make sure you have washed your hands and if you smoke
get the nicotein off your fingers as this may poison your plant.

re-plant and moisen the soil but try not to compact to hard around the plants. you can also plant
the stem deeper into the new pots if you need to.

like I said I dont grow in soil so I dont know how wet you will want it once the transplant is complete.
check your PH once done and adjust if needed for soil grow. maybe add nutes at 1/4 strength as well
and keep an eye on them. you probably wont see any big changes for a few days as they may be in a little shock after the transplant but keep a close eye on them.

There is alot of info on this site for transplanting in soil so you should be able to get all the right information
on RIU.

Have a look around on the site and have a good read! make sure you understand what you need to do and
have everything prepared before you start and you will be fine

 

[djsim5]

I don't want to be a pain, but you can imagine I'd want to get this right...

So i remove each plant, wash it in my clean hands so all the soil has been cleaned off the root system, then place into its new pot of soil, which should be moist. I'm using organic soil, i have a feeling it's quite rich as well, so i was wondering whether i should wait a day or two before feeding, or just feed when i transplant?

Another quick question, is it detrimental to the plant to be taken inside and outside everyday, alternating between natural sunlight and cfl light, and of course the change in temps (which arent drastic)?

Thanks again for all the help, i really REALLY appreciate it.

Peace

 

[oj1981]

I dont want to give you the wrong advice as I have no experience with growing in soil!

But personally if I was in your position I would first get the new pots ready for the transplant
but I would not water the soil in the new pots until I had completed the transplant.
I smoke so before I handle my plants I make sure iv washed my hands in anti bacterial hand wash
to prevent and unwanted contamination transfer.

once my pots are ready I would make a hole in the soil of each pot ready to drop in the plant.

Then I would uproot one plant at a time being very carefull and try not to damage the root system to much.
I would probably use my hands to dig them out and one hand to support the plant and the other to support
the root system.

If the roots seem to be in a ball and tangled up I would rinse them under tap water washing the soil off them
to free them up before re-planting. but if there not choking each other then you may be ok just to re-plant without
washing under the tap.

when re-planting into the new pots lay the roots down in a circular motion and make sure there deep enough to support the plant so I doesnt fall over. patt the soil around the plant but dont compact to much then water until soil is moist but not flooded. add more soil after this if you need too and water slightly, again not flooding.

I would add some nutrients to the water your going to moisen the soil with. not full strength though! and bring your PH to about 6.2 - 6.5 so the plants dont lock out the nutrients.

Dont water once finished until the top of the soil starts to dry out on top but keep an eye on them closely for like a week or something just incase they need more water.

Also bringing them In at night under CFL's will not shock the plants as long as the temps are over 70f to keep the growth rate from slowing down. dont let temps drop below 60f. get the CFL's as close to the tops of the plants as possible. you should be able to get them very close as they dont really get to hot

Good Luck

 

[oj1981]

pic of my girls 5 days ago and one from today

you can see the yellowing which has now gone!

 

[oj1981]

Im hoping that somone who has had some experience with a soil
transplant can help you out more as I dont think you wouldnt go far wrong
with what I have advised but as I grow in a hydro system things like
watering is not a problem for me as I have a flood and drain system and could
probably pump water through my pots 24 hours a day If i wanted to with no real issues.

Im not 100% sure of how much you want to water the soil after the transplant
but I suppose getting the soil moist will be ok then you can add more water if needed

My transplant was quick and simple as I just placed my soil cubes into the clay pebbles
and set my feed timers and adjusted as needed over a course of a week until I could see
good growth from my girls.

 

[TheDifferenceX]

I'd go w/ OJ's recommendation.. Get them into a 3-5 gallon sized pot ASAP.. I normally try to water the plants 2 days or so before transplant to ensure that the soil is moist and the transplant goes a bit smoother.. In your case, though, i'd suggest having the soil as dry as possible w/o causing any harm to the plants.. That way you might have a better chance of each individual plant in that one container seperating from each other without hurting their root systems..

The most important thing to do if you're going to transplant (which is pretty much as must), is be really careful.. Don't let the roots see light and make sure you don't push down to hard when you get them in their new pot.. You can bury some of the stem under the soil if it's having a hard time standing up, but I wouldn't bury any higher than the first set of non-jagged leaves (original leaves that sprouted out of the seed)...

You'd really reap the benefits if you purchased something like SuperThrive, to limit the shock the plant has once it is transplanted... Especially in your case considering you're probably going to be shocking the roots more so than if you had one plant in one pot and could just move it pretty easily.. Mix some SuperThrive w/ your water (read recommended dosage per gallon).. Fox Farms also has some good nutrients.. You'd see some good improvement if you added some Super Thrive and some Fox Farms Grow Big to the water you water the new pots w/... Just make sure you read the recommended mixture per gallon of whatever nutrient/chemical you get.. Best bet is to dilute to 1/2 or 1/4 strength of what is recommended for the first feeding and see how it takes it..

Get those bad boys in some new pots, feed them some, and watch them grow!! Just make sure if you do buy some nutrients, try to only mix w/ your water every other feeding.. And keep your eyes open for nute burn as that would mean it's time to flush the soil and try again in a few days w/ a less strength mixture..

Hope that helps...