Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

[Big P]

Why is it nobody ever addressed my post in which I flat busted the truthers for clearly trying to dupe the public?

They did this by creating their own on-line journals in order to make their junk science theories look like they are legitimately published. To all reasonable minded people who know how science is supposed to work this is a huge smoking gun that demonstrates just how untrustworthy their so called "findings" are.

Why don't we have more discussion on this? After all, this material has been posted numerous times in this post to prove everything from thermite being found, to the fire not being hot enough, etc. Then we see that they "published" this crap in fake journals. If that doesn't blow these theories out of the water I don't know what does.

if you are blind you must open your mind to be able to see

I think minds are made up, clearly they were never truely open to begin with in regards to this subject

 

[GrowRebel]

thread start date - 02-04-2008, 08:59 AM
what has changed since page 1?
anything?

More people are aware of the truth now than then. Because of the questions and calls for a real investigation has probably prevented another false flag operation on US soil. Mostly more people becoming aware.

Why is it nobody ever addressed my post in which I flat busted the truthers for clearly trying to dupe the public?

Nothing but your opinion with no proof to back it ... nothing new there.

They did this by creating their own on-line journals in order to make their junk science theories look like they are legitimately published.

Again nothing more than your opinion, with no proof.

To all reasonable minded people who know how science is supposed to work this is a huge smoking gun that demonstrates just how untrustworthy their so called "findings" are.

It's only a smoking gun to a denier who can't dispute the evidence so tries to side step the issue. Too bad it doesn't work.

Why don't we have more discussion on this?

Ah ... because it's a strawman argument and has no bearing on the evidence submitted.

After all, this material has been posted numerous times in this post to prove everything from thermite being found, to the fire not being hot enough, etc. Then we see that they "published" this crap in fake journals.

You have yet to post any proof that these are "fake journals" and you want to know why? ... cause you can't.

If that doesn't blow these theories out of the water I don't know what does.

You haven't produced any evidence to dispute the evidence in the papers put out. Since you can't do that, all you can do is side step the issue with who wrote it and where it is written which has nothing to do with the evidence found.
You STILL can't handle the FACT that most people what a real investigation ... might as well get use to it ... it's not going away.

Now on to the news ...
http://www.infowars.com/ex-cia-chief-james-woolsey-handed-down-gag-order-to-911-firefighters/Ex-CIA Chief James Woolsey handed down gag-order to 9/11 Firefighters
“[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me [Lavello] that, ‘many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ he told me.”
If no bombs in the buildings as the deniers vehemently claim ... why the gag order?
And if we have no proof and no one believe us as the deniers claim then why are they debating it in other counties?
http://world911truth.org/historic-911-debate-with-bigard-laurent-kassovitz-and-harrit-on-french-tv/Historic 9/11 Debate with Bigard, Laurent, Kassovitz and Harrit on French TV Oct 28.
You have until October 28 to learn French because French TV France 2’s “L’objet du scandale” with Guillaume Durand will air a historic debate over the official version of the 9/11 events.
On one side: 4 people with the hard task to defend the official version. On the other side, Jean-Marie Bigard, Mathieu Kassovitz, Éric Laurent and special guest Niels Harrit will tell France and the world why they don’t support the official theory and why they find it disturbing.
This is already a victory for the Bigard/Kassovitz camp who challenged the French media to organize a fair debate over 9/11 after being vilified by many French journalists because of their positions on 9/11. They have been called many names and even received dead threats. But no serious journalist was able to challenge them on their positions and to seriously make a case against them. Now will be their chance, and like Bigard mentions in the below video, “good luck to them.”
They have got to put this out in English! They simply have to!


http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/10/15/18625581.phpYes We Can: Investigate 9/11!

This is for all the deniers that claim no one is listening. No one believes the truth.

Debate-A-Thon in the Octagon

[youtube]N2wYF2_ORsQ&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube]

 

[RickWhite]

More people are aware of the truth now than then. Because of the questions and calls for a real investigation has probably prevented another false flag operation on US soil. Mostly more people becoming aware.


Nothing but your opinion with no proof to back it ... nothing new there.


Again nothing more than your opinion, with no proof.


It's only a smoking gun to a denier who can't dispute the evidence so tries to side step the issue. Too bad it doesn't work.


Ah ... because it's a strawman argument and has no bearing on the evidence submitted.


You have yet to post any proof that these are "fake journals" and you want to know why? ... cause you can't.


You haven't produced any evidence to dispute the evidence in the papers put out. Since you can't do that, all you can do is side step the issue with who wrote it and where it is written which has nothing to do with the evidence found.
You STILL can't handle the FACT that most people what a real investigation ... might as well get use to it ... it's not going away.

Now on to the news ...
Ex-CIA Chief James Woolsey handed down gag-order to 9/11 Firefighters
“[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me [Lavello] that, ‘many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ he told me.”
If no bombs in the buildings as the deniers vehemently claim ... why the gag order?
And if we have no proof and no one believe us as the deniers claim then why are they debating it in other counties?
Historic 9/11 Debate with Bigard, Laurent, Kassovitz and Harrit on French TV Oct 28.
You have until October 28 to learn French because French TV France 2’s “L’objet du scandale” with Guillaume Durand will air a historic debate over the official version of the 9/11 events.
On one side: 4 people with the hard task to defend the official version. On the other side, Jean-Marie Bigard, Mathieu Kassovitz, Éric Laurent and special guest Niels Harrit will tell France and the world why they don’t support the official theory and why they find it disturbing.
This is already a victory for the Bigard/Kassovitz camp who challenged the French media to organize a fair debate over 9/11 after being vilified by many French journalists because of their positions on 9/11. They have been called many names and even received dead threats. But no serious journalist was able to challenge them on their positions and to seriously make a case against them. Now will be their chance, and like Bigard mentions in the below video, “good luck to them.”
They have got to put this out in English! They simply have to!


Yes We Can: Investigate 9/11!

This is for all the deniers that claim no one is listening. No one believes the truth.

Debate-A-Thon in the Octagon

[youtube]N2wYF2_ORsQ&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube]

Are you unable to read or just a pathological liar?

I posted direct links to the fake journals given by the information you posted. You know, the ones listed as the source where the articles are posted according to the authors.

Are you trying to say that it is scientifically valid to open your own on-line journal with you as the editor and post your own research in it while inviting any John Q Public who agrees with you to post in it?

Are you saying this is a legitimate way to publish research?

You have responded to each sentence I wrote with a bald faced lie. Everything I said was proved. You know this is true, everyone here can look it up for themselves and yet you say otherwise.

Aside from repeating the bald faced lie that I haven't proved what I'm saying, what is your argument?

Again, yes or no, are you saying the authors that you referenced have posted their findings in respected journals aside from the open, on-line type ran by like minded people? If so which ones?

And by the way, please learn what the term straw man means, you are misusing the term.

 

[CrackerJax]

GR has no reputation for clear headed thinking...what do you expect Rick... a miracle?

 

[fdd2blk]

there's like 20 people in that pic. lol

 

[CrackerJax]

Notice the "end the war" bit...... what does that have to do with a scientific investigation?

It's farcical.

 

[fdd2blk]

greenpeace? =-/

 

[CrackerJax]

Of course... that makes sense...

 

[Keenly]

ya know rick, you havent quite explained flight 93 (which never existed), the pentagon (obviously not a commercial aircraft) Or building 7



you seemed to be focused on how we are unable to convince you


were not trying to convince you anything

were putting the evidence out there


do with it what you will, but its out, its up for everyone else to make up their own minds about it


were just going to keep spreading the evidence around


you know, almost the same evidence that
Rudy Giuliani shipped overseas to have melted and recycled before any investigators could look at it

 

[CrackerJax]

Keenly has no idea how stupid it sounds when ppl say there was no flight 93?

How are you going to get ppl to believe such crazy thinking????

How do you ever think ur going to be taken seriously.... by anybody?

 

[fdd2blk]

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[CrackerJax]

I knew that show had some value

 

[RickWhite]

ya know rick, you havent quite explained flight 93 (which never existed), the pentagon (obviously not a commercial aircraft) Or building 7


Rudy Giuliani shipped overseas to have melted and recycled before any investigators could look at it

Can you show me any evidence of this that is published in a credible source? You are saying a major airline is lying about one of their commercial jets having been one of those that crashed on that day? You are saying that all the people who were on board never existed? All the families who lost loved ones are really in on the conspiracy?

Building 7 was brought down by fire and from pieces of one or both of towers 1 & 2 hitting it according to the official investigation. Do you have CREDIBLE evidence to the contrary or just more of Jones' propaganda? Let me guess, you are going to post more propaganda found only in on-line journals and truther forums. Do you have anything from a respected journal or other source?

 

[CrackerJax]

Jones is a kook. His own University has disowned him...... he's an embarrassment.

 

[GrowRebel]

It is the rabid believers in 9/11 who are the true fringe liberal element. The try and USE pseudo science to prove a political point, regardless of the harm their beliefs truly cause society.

Once again blowing shit out your ass ... with nothing to back it ... why am I not surprised.

Are you unable to read or just a pathological liar?

Still can't dispute the evidence in the papers eh? No surprises here ...

I posted direct links to the fake journals given by the information you posted. You know, the ones listed as the source where the articles are posted according to the authors.

You mean the links to the papers that proves the government is lying? The papers with the evidence you can't dispute, so you claim they are "fake journals" with no proof what so ever ... those links?

Are you trying to say that it is scientifically valid to open your own on-line journal with you as the editor and post your own research in it while inviting any John Q Public who agrees with you to post in it?

That your assessment of the situation ... you'd much rather divert the real issue which is the evidence presented. If you don't think they are credible so be it, but there are plenty of folks that do see it as credible. You can call all the names you like an pretend you are an authority ... you can not chance the facts. You and the other deniers just can't seem to handle that.

Are you saying this is a legitimate way to publish research?

Yep. Now run along and form at the mouth because I do.

You have responded to each sentence I wrote with a bald faced lie.

Again your opinion nothing more.

Everything I said was proved.

To you and the rest of the deniers perhaps ... but not to the rest of us that want a real investigation.

You know this is true,

I know it's true that you can't handle that most people want a real investigation ... and you will create as much of a diversion from the real issue as much as you can. Too bad for you and the rest of the deniers ... it doesn't work.

everyone here can look it up for themselves and yet you say otherwise.

That's right ... they can ... you didn't count on that did ya!

Aside from repeating the bald faced lie that I haven't proved what I'm saying, what is your argument?

You haven't taken one line from any of the reports or videos and proved why it is not science or evidence ... and you know why? ... cause you can't!

Again, yes or no, are you saying the authors that you referenced have posted their findings in respected journals aside from the open, on-line type ran by like minded people? If so which ones?

I already posted the one about Gage that I posted way back on page 147 post #1470 and told you about it in post #2121 but since it didn't fit in with your fantasy you chose to ignore it.

And by the way, please learn what the term straw man means, you are misusing the term.

Like you try to mislead and side step the real issue? Since you can't you try and focus on the messengers ... how's that working out for ya?

there's like 20 people in that pic. lol

Does it give you comfort to believe there were only 20 people at the event? Good for you!

Notice the "end the war" bit...... what does that have to do with a scientific investigation?
It's farcical.

Of course 911 wasn't used at all to start these illegal wars ... you're pretty farcical.

Jones is a kook. His own University has disowned him...... he's an embarrassment.

Blowing shit out your ass again ... why would they put a "kook" on paid leave? What the hell kind of punishment is that? I should be so lucky.
You deniers are a riot! I love how you squirm because people want a real investigation ... it's too funny to watch you behave like children having a tantrum because you can't have your way. You just can't stand the fact people want a real investigation. It actually is eating you up inside. So you continue to post insults and tell us we are crazy ... I like it!

 

[CrackerJax]

You must be only reading the spin GR...... perhaps you know the truth but don't want to admit ur fearless leader has lost his credibility with those who knew him best....

Jones entered into truther lore in 2006 when he was put into early retirement by Brigham Young University in Utah after giving public lectures on his paper “Why indeed did the WTC buildings collapse?”, which he published on the website of the university’s physics department. Jones contended that the towers were demolished by cutter charges which had been placed throughout the buildings, probably involving an incendiary called thermite. BYU’s College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the structural engineering faculty, followed by the university administration, disowned him.


He sounds like he's left science behind at the university.....

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well you only responded once to me and ur post was way off the mark (as usual).... so I wonder how many points in regards to Rick are you off? Plenty I'm sure......ur data is all made up!

 

[Keenly]

you guys have your heads so far in the sand i bet you can drink from the water table

 

[doobnVA]

you guys have your heads so far in the sand i bet you can drink from the water table

LOL! Let's hope the water they're drinking has been polluted by industrial waste. Who knows, a little mercury poisoning might actually make them SMARTER.

 

[CrackerJax]

Yah, just forget that Jones has been discredited by his own alma mater.... sure.... heads in the sand over here!!!

The scholars who know him best have tossed him to the curb...... yepper, heads in the sand alright!!!

 

[RickWhite]

Well CJ, looks like we did a yeoman's job here. We now have them resorting to bald faced lies and meaningless contradiction. I would say they have been officially dispatched at this point.

Just think, if we would have gone to the original source material earlier we could have ended this in the first few pages - oh well.