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Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I disagree with that. You'll need to drain and replinish, every week for a mature grow is good. How else do you get rid of the waste (salts, etc.) that accumulate? How would you get an accurate ppm reading on a res that hasn't been properely maintained. Wouldn't your reading be skewed by the toxic buildup of salts, etc in the tank:peace:?

I also agree 100% AND I will post WHY tonight, I am already collecting my notes.

There is a possiblity of having a reservoir with micro friendly water, but it would be so very difficult for a newb, or me, to do. It requires PERFECTION.

Without weekly draining and replinishing, there is the water going sour, or bad, and having bad microbes in it and spoiling and rotting, there is the salts build - up, there is the imbalance of nutes, and accumulation of nutes showing an incorrect ppm NOT TO MENTION THE PH GOING TO HELL AND BACK..
 

Phenom420

Well-Known Member
I also agree 100% AND I will post WHY tonight, I am already collecting my notes.

There is a possiblity of having a reservoir with micro friendly water, but it would be so very difficult for a newb, or me, to do. It requires PERFECTION.

Without weekly draining and replinishing, there is the water going sour, or bad, and having bad microbes in it and spoiling and rotting, there is the salts build - up, there is the imbalance of nutes, and accumulation of nutes showing an incorrect ppm NOT TO MENTION THE PH GOING TO HELL AND BACK..
This guy really knows what he speaks of, and I agree with him 100%, I also change out my res every week to keep problems at bay, and guess what guys NO TDS meter and I never check my PH and no problems. Secret is a clean and well maintained res.

Never add nutes, just change the res out EVERY TIME.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Weekly Drain and Replinish

Topping Off the Tank's Reservoir


I really do own 14 books on Hydroponic Indoor Growing. And I have studied them too. Some of the books were written simply, and some are difficult for me to comprehend and even more difficult for me to explain. They all vary a little on the perfect pH level, and they all vary on LIGHTING, some books were written way before CFLs were sold, or when CFLs were new on the scene. But they all agree on Topping Off the tank and Draining and Replinishing the water and nutrients.

To address this, I am going to post it twice to be sure I explain it. You will need to read both explanations.

After the nutes are added to the tank and the pH is balanced, the plants start eating, consuming the food. Logically, the larger the tank, the more water there is, and the more nutes you need. Logically, the larger the plants, the more they will eat from the tank. Logically, the more plants that are in the tank, the more they will eat. And Logically, the more they eat, the more nutes that you need in the tank. The amount of nutes provided is in relationship to the amount of water, NOT the amount of plants. It is the Ratio or Proprotion in the water that is important. The amount of nutes added to the tank are measured by we commonly call a PPM Meter, PPM meaning parts per million.

The Instructions on the nutrients contain the proper amount of nutes to add to the water, usually determined by "per gallon", and not by "per plant" or "size of plants". In the beginning, we start with 1/4 dose of nutrients, because a full dose is meant for full grown plants. If we use a ppm meter, we seek a ppm of 150 to 250 ppms on average for small young sprouts, it varies from nutrient to nutrient. As the plants grow, we then slowly and gradually increase the nutrients fed to them, and consequently we increase the ppm. By the time the plants are over a foot tall, we will be in the neighborhood of a ppm of 600, then 800 on up to 1200 ppm. Some growers risk even higher ppms, watching the leaves tips for yellowing, to know when to back off with feedings. And as we add more food, the plants grow and eat more, indicated by them also drinking more water. As a rule of thumb, we figure if they drank half of the water, they then must of ate half the food. That is close to being right, but not precisely. If the grow room was exceptionly HOT, they can drink more water without eating more food. And consequently, some days, they eat more, some days they eat less, regardless of the amount of the water missing.

As they eat, they do not eat all of the delivered nutes at the same rate, or same proportion, and that changes the pH and the ppm. It also changes what they call the RNC, or RELATIONSHIP OF NUTRIENT CONCENTRATION. That CHANGE is not easy to calculate or measure, like the ppm or pH is easy to measure.
When the nutrients are first introduced or added, the RNC is perfect, or properly proportioned. In other words, there are specific amounts or precise amounts of each needed nutrient. The exact amount of needed Nitrogen, Phosphorous, and Potash, also commonly called Potassium are present and available for food for the plants.

BUT, as the plants eat, they do not eat all of the nutrients in a perfect proportion or at a perfect rate or equal rate. Some days, they want what grows longer roots, some days, they want what makes more leaves. The plants actually nibble at some nutrients in the mix each day, and gobble down some others. Some of the nutrients are not hardly eaten at all, some are absorbed very quickly. This creates an IMBALANCE of the mix. If you add more water and nutes daily to replace the eaten nutes, (CALLED TOPPING OFF) the IMBALANCE INCREASES. If you only add plain water daily, again, Top It Off, you still get the imbalance. AND the nutes not eaten, or the nutes that are increased daily cause a build up of nutes, and that creates a BAD imbalance of the RNC.
When this happens, the water becomes TOXIC and unusable even tho the ppm meter says there is a proper amount of nutrients. The plants say I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE BUFFET and like a spoiled child unhappy at the dinner table, they suddenly refuse to eat anything. This is called NUTRITIONAL LOCKOUT. This happens even tho the ppm meter says there are plenty of parts per million in the water. The ppm meter does not indicate if the nutrients are balanced or at a toxic level. It just indicates there is plenty of food on the table.

THIS IS WHY WE MUST WEEKLY DUMP IT ALL AND START ALL OVER.
THIS IS WHY WE MUST DRAIN AND REPLINISH WEEKLY, regardless of whether we TOP OFF with plain water, or TOP OFF with water and a fractional dose of nutes.
Changing the water weekly maintains the proper RNC.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Weekly Drain and Replinish

Topping Off the Tank's Reservoir



Daily Maintenance of the reservoir is mostly keeping the pH at the proper level, and keeping the same level of water in the tank as it is used or evaporates. It is also keeping the nutrient mix or nutrient solution at a proper level, a level that is NOT toxic or too strong.
In the day to day course of maintaining the tank two problems occur. Remember how we discussed ppm, parts per million? Then we discussed RNC, RELATIONSHIP OF NUTRIENT CONCENTRATION. Well, we also need to discuss TDS, Total Disolved Salts. As the water evaporates or is consumed, the concentration of TDS becomes stronger, to the point of being Toxic. The TDS increase as the amount of water decreases. This creates the need to replinish the water, to replace the water. As we replace that missing water, we create an IMBALANCE. Hydroponic grown plants eat what they need, as they need it and they leave some nutes to build up and accumalate into a posionious or toxic level.
This creates the need to daily TOP IT OFF. I have already discussed starting Feedings and Draining and Replinishing in this thread twice. It is simple enough, daily replace what you estimate is gone, consumed, eaten, and absorbed.

But weekly, you need to clear the buffet table and start all over with fresh foods. This gives the plant not only a well balanced buffet table to eat from, but also supplies it with FRESH Food that has not been altered by the plants being picky and choosey.


And, there is the Growth Spurt you will get during the Drain, as the roots get a 5 to 15 mintues air bath. It also gives you the opportunity to look for crimped air hoses, scrub the air stones clean and look for debris and trash in the tank that messes with the pH balance.

Also, as the water ages, undesirable harmful microbes appear and grow in the water. You also take the chance of insect larvae and algae appearing, and weekly draining the tank helps prevent those problems too.
 

Stgeneziz

Active Member
I change all of my reservoirs every 7-10 days as well. Otherwise I'd have more serious problems.....

On a different topic, here's a small update on my lanky sativa named Embry. She Is about 4 weeks into flowering and I suspect will go looong... geeee. I don't know how long I can wait. Hopefully another 6-8 weeks.. So here are the pix.

Here's a shot of the canopy..


Some up close shots.. (poor girls, I just keep burnin em.)






and a side shot.


A couple xtra shots below.... Enjoy. :blsmoke:
 

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MostlyCrazy

New Member
Sure does look like a wonderful sativa grow. She may stay vertical for another week or two. Light management is the issue now. Work the tops and then the sides as well as you can. I'd be supercropping the crap out of it but I think you are right the first time through to let it act natually and note the growth pattern.
 

Stgeneziz

Active Member
Thanx MC. She's in that ScroG and thats about all I can do this grow around.. I might do a little tugging and pulling but we'll see. =)
 

MostlyCrazy

New Member
Sounds like you have the height to let it do what it wants to do. I've never scroged. Understand the concept but just not for me just yet.
 

Stgeneziz

Active Member
Im a total dumbass, but it's worked out ok. I have limited lighting with the Cfls, and this seemed like the easiest way to maximize it's use.
 

infexion1134

Active Member
Whats up bubbleheads? Say hello to Peri, Romana, and Sarah Jane. Beautiful white widows. Starting to look really nice.
I had several problems this last week. I have them all worked out now I think.
I also added 6 tsp of Hygrozyme, does anyone else use this?
So here are the pics of my girls.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Whats up bubbleheads? Say hello to Peri, Romana, and Sarah Jane. Beautiful white widows. Starting to look really nice.
I had several problems this last week. I have them all worked out now I think.
I also added 6 tsp of Hygrozyme, does anyone else use this?
So here are the pics of my girls.

Was you having an algae or pythium problem?
 

infexion1134

Active Member
Was you having an algae or pythium problem?
I think it was algae. My res temps at change were 62F and 24 hours later they would be 78-80F. Also an unpleasant odor was present along with some foam around the edge.
Last check res temp was 68F and smelling fresh.
I think the problem has been taken care of now, I also wrapped the res in duct tape.
 

diggitydank420

Well-Known Member
Those are nice size for 27 days!
Thanks, MC, I just wish I had a better camera to show how frosty they're starting to get.

And this is the phenotype(Emerald) that I predict I will be trashing in favor of the other phenotype (Violet) that I have. I have 4 clones of Violet that are stretching half as much and they are much denser plants.

So I think there will be some better looking buds on the second batch of clones at their 27 day marker.:bigjoint:
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I think it was algae. My res temps at change were 62F and 24 hours later they would be 78-80F. Also an unpleasant odor was present along with some foam around the edge.
Last check res temp was 68F and smelling fresh.
I think the problem has been taken care of now, I also wrapped the res in duct tape.

check the water pump for harbored trash and debris. Clean or remove it.
 
I am at my one week mark on my three mystery dank plants! The bud sites are already starting too develop(crappy pics!). The last photo is where I took some light plastic coat hangers and put one around a main branch. It is just heavy enough to hold the branch outward, therefore opening up the canopy. I have two per plant. My version of LST I guess?
 
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