Starting A Plant in My Closet

i am a first time grower and just want to know if i am on the right track. I am using micracle grow moisture control soil with micracle gro plant food. I am using a 60 watt plant ligght bulb. if there is any advice that i may need please let me kno. You can akso check out a few pictures that i have posted...
 

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photoman509

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i am a first time grower and just want to know if i am on the right track. I am using micracle grow moisture control soil with micracle gro plant food. I am using a 60 watt plant ligght bulb. if there is any advice that i may need please let me kno. You can akso check out a few pictures that i have posted...
Well first off I would get rid of the miracle grow and get some good nutrients like general hydroponics ( for soil or hydro) I myself have been growing in a closet for the last year and have had great success. I noticed you dont have much perlite in your soil, I use about a 60/40 soil to perlite mix so the roots can move easily through the soil and its nice and airy. that 60 watt plant light isnt going to last you much longer you need to either get a hps or a good led. When I started my closet venture in the brand new apartment I moved into I started with a 400 watt hps with a cheap wing hood because I was afraid a 600 would generate to much heat and with that hood it would have but now I use a digital 600 and forked out the cash for the air cooled hood and inline fan . It still got a little hot in the summer but my yield went from 1 to 2 ounces to four to five ounces so a little extra heat well worth it ;) If you can afford it I would recomend a good 600 watt equivalent led, little to no heat issues, not noticeable on your electric bill and will work just as well in a closet. heres a link to one I'm gonna try. My good friend has the small ufo and loves it, I'm going for the big one ;)http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/category_s/39.htm
 
well which specific soil and nutes would you recommend that i use and im not trying to spend that much on a light just yet so what light would be best then

Well first off I would get rid of the miracle grow and get some good nutrients like general hydroponics ( for soil or hydro) I myself have been growing in a closet for the last year and have had great success. I noticed you dont have much perlite in your soil, I use about a 60/40 soil to perlite mix so the roots can move easily through the soil and its nice and airy. that 60 watt plant light isnt going to last you much longer you need to either get a hps or a good led. When I started my closet venture in the brand new apartment I moved into I started with a 400 watt hps with a cheap wing hood because I was afraid a 600 would generate to much heat and with that hood it would have but now I use a digital 600 and forked out the cash for the air cooled hood and inline fan . It still got a little hot in the summer but my yield went from 1 to 2 ounces to four to five ounces so a little extra heat well worth it ;) If you can afford it I would recomend a good 600 watt equivalent led, little to no heat issues, not noticeable on your electric bill and will work just as well in a closet. heres a link to one I'm gonna try. My good friend has the small ufo and loves it, I'm going for the big one ;)http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/category_s/39.htm
 

photoman509

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well which specific soil and nutes would you recommend that i use and im not trying to spend that much on a light just yet so what light would be best then
well you should be able to pick up a 400 watt hps for a couple hundred bucks, and I perfer the flora nova grow for veg and flora nova bloom for flower and floralicious as an additive in flower. You should pull an ounce to two ounces with that set up but definatly go for the 6oo watt hps with a/c hood when you can afford it, you will double or triple that.
 

Dr.RR

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Miracle Grow's can be done but I definitely wouldn't add any nutrients to the soil for at least a month and a half. Miracle Grow has a shit-ton of nutrients which usually burn our MJ plants a couple weeks in. I'd also water with a neutral pH'd water like Distilled Water. Try to get some more lights for sure. Wal-Mart sells Y-Splitters that allow you to insert two light-bulbs into one socket. I'd recommend to get at least 4 23w GE 6500k daylight CFL's and maybe two 2700-3500 23watters. Seriously, the more light you can give the plant the better it will be off. CFL's are cheap!
 

JN811

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this whole site is advice for you my friend, just check out the faqs is a good start. The light definetly will not work out. You will be lucky to get a half 1/8 with that light. Btw your plant looks like a huge stem! You can buy some cfl light bulbs if you are low on funds, they are the energy saving bulbs and sold just about everywhere. btw you dont even have 1/10 the ammount of light you need. Their is a very good post about lighting on the faq section in the right corner of the site.
 
thanks for that my friend came over and told me about cfls and i actually had 2 packs of them so no i have 3 13 w cfls around the plant but i am going to get one more light considering that double one that you mentioned and put 2 23w cfls into it so from there how do you think my lighting situation is....and also i know that the plant is very flimsy because i kept the light too far away at first but any advice so that my stem can be stronger
 

highaltitude

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What an enjoyable post, MasterSmoker. Yeah, just by applying some of the advice received so far, you'll be on the way. You're a true do-it-yourselfer.
Good luck.
 

JN811

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if you want a bigger stem/ bigger yields, you are going to have to get WAY MORE LIGHTS!!!! If your using cfls I would recommend no less than 200 watts! And I that's minimum! Just go look at some people's cfl grow journals and see how many lights they have. 2 23 watt bulbs will never cut it... I was thinking about adding 6 26 watt cfls to my 400 watt hps in a 10 square foot closet. The least lighting you should have is 50 watts per square foot! That means if your grow space is 5 square feet you should have 250 watts min. !!
 

JN811

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Things to know about lighting

Things to know about lighting
Color rating- Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum.

How much light is needed?
The minimum amount of light required by marijuana plants is around 3000 lumens per square foot. However, it's not 100% accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and reflectivity of the grow box. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens/sqft, and as long as the plants do not burn, as much light can be used as you want.
(*note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens/sqft, on a sunny summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
Determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet)
If you have a 1000 watt High Pressure Sodium, that produces (approx.) 107,000 lumens.
Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 / 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot.
So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of Sq ft, and thats your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much, unless there is sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings and clones, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these stages.

Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, as you can see below, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. A 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt

Incandescent lights: Incandescents are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescents is this: they suck.
There are some incandescents which are sold as 'grow lights.' They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; they produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Compact Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are a lot more useful than incandescents. Their efficient enough, and cheaper than HID lights. Compact fluorescent tubes are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4' tubes, compact fluorescent bulbs are smaller, and more can fit into a given area. Fluorescents are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and are very widely available.
Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth, and warm white light is more orange or reddish, and is best for the flowering stage.

High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or Hps light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but will most likely result in light, fluffy buds.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger buds than any other light.
HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced growers because of their ability to produce tighter buds, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

I'll also add this graph below, i hope this post helps some of you out.
 
ok i currently have 3 26w one on top and one on each side....its not a very big colset but should i add 2 more to each side???
 

photoman509

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if you want a bigger stem/ bigger yields, you are going to have to get WAY MORE LIGHTS!!!! If your using cfls I would recommend no less than 200 watts! And I that's minimum! Just go look at some people's cfl grow journals and see how many lights they have. 2 23 watt bulbs will never cut it... I was thinking about adding 6 26 watt cfls to my 400 watt hps in a 10 square foot closet. The least lighting you should have is 50 watts per square foot! That means if your grow space is 5 square feet you should have 250 watts min. !!
Well I understand being broke but sometimes you have to suffer and eat top ramen etc.. to get what you want, you wont regret it, even with cfl's your not going to yeild much.
 

JN811

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ok i currently have 3 26w one on top and one on each side....its not a very big colset but should i add 2 more to each side???
lol, you dont even read my posts do you? You need to add like 3-4 more min. mainly on the top of the plant. I hate to say it but I really dont think your plants going to produce anything though, looking the way it does. My plants had more leaves than yours and when it was only 1 week old. You should start some new seeds with about 200 watts, of cfl lights about 5 inches above. Man, you really need to do some research before you ever grow anything again. Your plant looks like it's begging for some real light. Btw heres a pic of one of my plants after 1 week.
 

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Mr.GreenJeans

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HPS is the best way to go, but CFL's will work.

What is people's beef with Miracle grow potting soil???? I'm using it with absolutely no problems at all --- just DO NOT use any additional nutes for the first 7 or 8 weeks, then introduce them slowly at a very diluted rate (gradually increasing the ppm).

BTW: The dude above is right -- just go ahead and trash that plant and start over. I don't forsee that plant yielding anything. Hang around here a bit (I ghosted for almost a year before joining in!) and read up on the subject a bit. You are headed in the right direction now, but you'll just frustrate yourself trying to do anything with that particular plant. It'll be much easier and more satisfying for you if you start over and apply your newfound knowledge!!!
 
using 3 23w cfls right now.....new pictures any ideas of the sex??

if you want a bigger stem/ bigger yields, you are going to have to get WAY MORE LIGHTS!!!! If your using cfls I would recommend no less than 200 watts! And I that's minimum! Just go look at some people's cfl grow journals and see how many lights they have. 2 23 watt bulbs will never cut it... I was thinking about adding 6 26 watt cfls to my 400 watt hps in a 10 square foot closet. The least lighting you should have is 50 watts per square foot! That means if your grow space is 5 square feet you should have 250 watts min. !!
 

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just read these post before i reposted but yes i have been doing a lot of reading lately and do know the mistakes that i made with this plant and have started a new one and am giving it sufficent light.....i still am going to cont to grow this but i know what i need to do different with this new plant thanks for all the advice i will be posting pictures of the new plant very soon
 

photoman509

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HPS is the best way to go, but CFL's will work.

What is people's beef with Miracle grow potting soil???? I'm using it with absolutely no problems at all --- just DO NOT use any additional nutes for the first 7 or 8 weeks, then introduce them slowly at a very diluted rate (gradually increasing the ppm).

BTW: The dude above is right -- just go ahead and trash that plant and start over. I don't forsee that plant yielding anything. Hang around here a bit (I ghosted for almost a year before joining in!) and read up on the subject a bit. You are headed in the right direction now, but you'll just frustrate yourself trying to do anything with that particular plant. It'll be much easier and more satisfying for you if you start over and apply your newfound knowledge!!!
Miracle grow is fine for growing things you plan to eat, but most of us grow marijuana to smoke. Certain chemicals in miracle grow when smoked have cancer causing agents.
 

luvvin growin

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and please,invest in some bamboo stakes,that plastic container isnt going to do the job for long with that much stretch.you should check out ww.insidesun.com.I've found $100 400wattt batwing systems.Perfect for the man on a budget.
 

intensive

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you better switch it over to flowering phase, you dont have enough room/light/or stem to let it get any bigger!!
 
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