Who wants bigger gov't??? Please help me understand liberals.
- Thread starter kappainf
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na its just greed,i saw this little glass wearing(not that theres anything thing wrong with that),greasy haired,stuck up wussy little twat who'd made like £140 million through the recession through shares or some shit like that,and hes doing this little thing on the bbc,and im like,you fucking what,why they hell are you not in the Bahamas on your 30 million pound yacht relaxing every day,coming home to your 20 millon pound beach front veranda,i mean WHAT,you fucking STILL WORK after earning that much in that short a time,
one answer occured to me,GREED,utter pure greed
turned my stomach
one answer occured to me,GREED,utter pure greed
turned my stomach
undertheice
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funny; i'm neither aggressive nor particularly greedy, but i don't feel the slightest bit enslaved. the only creature i fear being chained by is government. as government becomes more intrusive, my independence and my individuality are threatened by fears of incarceration and the forfeiture of my worldly goods. all that general mills, exxon or any of those other evil corporations ever tried to do was to sell me shit i didn't want. they have no military or police forces to keep me from living the life i choose. those are the domain of government. the only way they can impact my life at all is if i let them or government sells them the power we have invested in it. quite the contrary, those entities employ millions, allowing them to survive and thrive, and they invest in the society around them. that those at the top of the heap should expect some return on that investment is not unwarranted and i can't say that i really begrudge them that profit.
what i do take exception to are the indolent and incapable that feel entitled to a portion of my earnings for their existence, the political animals that feed off of the despair of the have-nots and the ignorant who see such larceny as a good and proper thing. this is the sort of avarice that none of us need look any farther than the nearest street corner to observe. this slavery you see is the same struggle for survival that has been going on as long humanity has existed. that we must labor to survive while others find leisure may seem unfair to you, but it is the nature of existence and you'd damn well better get used to it.
undertheice
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have you ever thought that this might be the difference between you and that greasy haired little rich twat, that he would keep going long after you would have stopped to relax? what you label greed, some might consider drive.
medicineman
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I can't feel your pain. I've always worked for my supper, paid my taxes and tried to live an honest life. I certainly never got any 6-10 figure bonuses or any of the perks afforded to those CEO pukes. Like the man said, how much is enough? I can agree on some men earning more than others, but 600-1000 times as much as an employee, come on man, are you cracked? Btw, I am not as ignorant as you wish to portray. I can read and balance a checkbook, pretty much the needed skills to graduate from high school. throw in a little college bullshit, and I'm good to go. I believe not every man needs a college education. There are sure a lot of fools from uneducateds schools in charge these days, sounds like you may fancy yourself one of these.
ancap
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Well, when in doubt, you can always just restate your original argument. No need to pick apart another.
ancap
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Who are the slaves in your analogy?
CrackerJax
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Capitalism provides the jobs for those without ideas med man. No other system does it so well. Just look around.
Kill the capitalist market, and you kill individualism. Achievement will surely falter. It always does.
P.S. London.... no, u have it backwards. greed is always there first. Again, that's why capitalism works best. it harnesses the greed in a positive way.
Kill the capitalist market, and you kill individualism. Achievement will surely falter. It always does.
P.S. London.... no, u have it backwards. greed is always there first. Again, that's why capitalism works best. it harnesses the greed in a positive way.
undertheice
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just what is the proper compensation for someone who is responsible for the jobs and welfare of thousands? should such a man be content with the double or triple the wages of those he oversees? i can see that you would like to put a cap on executive compensation, but just who should be determining these things? the government? remember, this is the same government that constantly tries to limit your access to the firearms you feel are your right to possess. when the marketplace determines the limits of compensation there is no agenda but what the market will bear, no voters to sway or special interests to appease. when salaries exceed those limits, businesses crumble and the cycle is repeated, unless the state comes in to bail out or shore up those businesses that caused their own demise.
what i fancy myself as is a free man, in charge of little more than my own life and happy with that. unlike the self-important meddlers, i don't desire power over others. unlike those who lack a sense of charity, i prefer to be allowed to give what i can to those whom i choose.
gee, i do hope that was the right usage. i've never been quite sure about when to use "who" as opposed to "whom", being uneducated and all.
undertheice
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the creation of a herd mentality is the point of the destruction of capitalism. bovine masses, easily swayed, are much easier to control than individuals.
londonfog
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The doubt comes when trying to explain the next man... for example... I really can't explain why anyone could still take big stupid bonus but still tell his workers, who help him make the profits to get that bonus, "hey i need to lay 2500 of you off..and the ones that are left please work harder....or...when the freakin company loses money he still takes a stupid big bonus ...no can't explain that shit...can you ???? I just say greed...
CrackerJax
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Because the bonuses are made by the ppl that hire the REAL talent. Contracts are not made to be broken. At least not in the first world.
Perhaps you should explain to the next man what constitutional basis you are using to judge how much a private person is paid by their employer? Please explain where it says in the constitution that a pay czar can be created outside of the approval of Congress??
Yes, please explain it to us all.
Perhaps you should explain to the next man what constitutional basis you are using to judge how much a private person is paid by their employer? Please explain where it says in the constitution that a pay czar can be created outside of the approval of Congress??
Yes, please explain it to us all.
ancap
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Well, in a pure free market system you would not have such a super charged stock market where nearly all investors are remote speculators. You would also not have a government subsidizing and propping up industries. These factors create irregularities in the corporate culture that lead to inevitable corruption.
However, that is not to say that many CEOs would not still be making 5+ million per year in a free market system. The reality is, in mega businesses, 10 million dollars for a CEO is not very expensive. When a CEO is hired, the board is not trying to bring someone on who they can throw money at for no reason. They seek out individuals that can captain their company and sometimes their industry. A potential CEO with decades of experience and a proven track record is going to cost a lot more than a relatively new, younger executive. Lebron James is going to cost a lot more to a basketball team than a much less effective Vince Carter. Yet the man who maintains the arena where Lebron plays makes 600 times less than him. It's an economic reality, but not necessarily an evil. Without Lebron, that maintenence man may or may not have a job.
NorthwestBuds
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Czars are merely advisers, they have no power. Quit making stuff up.
CrackerJax
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire with Obama.
This too big to fail BS really means that the govt. "cherry picks" which industries and corps. it's going to FAVOR! Want to see rampant corruption and usurpation of principled business models like never before?!
Follow the path of Obama and Congress and you will witness it first hand.
Obama is removing the checks and balances of the free market with govt. socialism. Mediocrity is sure to be swift and permanent.
This too big to fail BS really means that the govt. "cherry picks" which industries and corps. it's going to FAVOR! Want to see rampant corruption and usurpation of principled business models like never before?!
Follow the path of Obama and Congress and you will witness it first hand.
Obama is removing the checks and balances of the free market with govt. socialism. Mediocrity is sure to be swift and permanent.
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The Obama admin has no interest in propping up any industry. It's all being done to subsidize the unions, not the companies or the industries.
CrackerJax
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They will still wish to maximize the favored corps which will be under the govt. thumb. Of course the govt. maximization will pale in comparison to the private sector, but efficiency isn't the goal. Socialism doesn't produce that. It does produce centralized control, and that's what Obama is after. A permanent democrat controlled govt. of immense power. The nation as a whole will be much weaker, but Washington is insulated to that.
They now have seminars on how Congress can avoid their constituents...
No lie... they think they rule us. If the lib's and the uneducated get their way ... they will.
Permanent mediocrity.
They now have seminars on how Congress can avoid their constituents...
No lie... they think they rule us. If the lib's and the uneducated get their way ... they will.Permanent mediocrity.
its just greed greed greed
and lol,after earning £140 million pound in just over half a year,would you continue to work.............in shares and banking..........my point entirely
someting IS wrong with you if you continue work like that if you already obviously have vasty more than the sum i have stated......drive my arse....the drive was to get there and earn that........its only greed now
and yeh lol
and lol,after earning £140 million pound in just over half a year,would you continue to work.............in shares and banking..........my point entirely
someting IS wrong with you if you continue work like that if you already obviously have vasty more than the sum i have stated......drive my arse....the drive was to get there and earn that........its only greed now
and yeh lol
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I have no problem when individuals judge it as greedy or anything else for execs to make huge money. I do have a very large problem when it is suggested the government has any business regulating it. I'm a shareholder. I vote for directors. They decide how much to pay execs and they do it on my behalf. That whole system is a hell of a lot more fair and democratic that the one that put a fraud like Obama in office with the aid of subversives like acorn. It is WE who need to regulate THEM. When people fear the government it is tyranny. When the government fears the people it is liberty.