vertical growing

That 5hit

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That's the same thing I got, it's call ebb n grow.


How much did it hit you for
did it come ready to use (after you put it together) how much after market did you have to buy for it
and how much hydrotion is each buckit filled with

i would love to diy one of these
it look simple a few 5 gal bucket , 2 subm. water pumps and 1 big main res and 2 on/off timer
 

thehiena

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How much did it hit you for
did it come ready to use (after you put it together) how much after market did you have to buy for it
and how much hydrotion is each buckit filled with

i would love to diy one of these
it look simple a few 5 gal bucket , 2 subm. water pumps and 1 big main res and 2 on/off timer
well I think it is a little more complicated, the sistem has a controler where the timer is and inside is two sets of floating valves that activate each pump. I don't know maybe is easy I'm too lazy to build something like this.
the sistem I have doesn't need any aftermarket products, I tried aerating each bucket but didn't have any luck with that. The sistem cost me like 500 buckts with the shipping and one bag of 5olbs of hydroton is enough for 12 buckets
 

budleydoright

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There are some diy plans out there for this controller. requires some soldering and wiring chops. Sentinel has a system like this coming out soon as well. I think their controller is a little more high tech. Digital control board instead of analog timers etc...
 

OregonMeds

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well I think it is a little more complicated, the sistem has a controler where the timer is and inside is two sets of floating valves that activate each pump. I don't know maybe is easy I'm too lazy to build something like this.
the sistem I have doesn't need any aftermarket products, I tried aerating each bucket but didn't have any luck with that. The sistem cost me like 500 buckts with the shipping and one bag of 5olbs of hydroton is enough for 12 buckets
Here's how to build one. If the op of that thread hasn't finished it yet there's a link in the thread to a finished diy version.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/248498-how-build-ebb-n-gro.html
 

captain insaneo

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Ok so I think I have convinced myself (and more importantly the mrs) that I can go a vert in my small space my flowering area is 4x2x4 (WxDxH) i was thinking about splitting that area to 2 vert sections, I have 2 250 watt ballasts. My dilemma is how to go hydro in that space, I was leaning heavily towards 4" pvc nft or aero. However I could also see the point of using rockwool or coco slabs. Any suggestions or advice. methods to stay away from?
 

thehiena

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Nice setup. I guess you must have been impatient though because you didn't veg them long enough.
Hi OM, I did grow 4 ft. plants before but I think I have better results with 2 ft. plants, I don't know why but I yield more bud with 2 ft plants than with 4 ft plants.. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
 

OregonMeds

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4x2x4 isn't enough space to do vertical unless all you do is three plants with a 250 between ea plant.

I say no to vertical for you, instead just do a perpetual SOG, it's the best use of your space.
 

OregonMeds

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Hi OM, I did grow 4 ft. plants before but I think I have better results with 2 ft. plants, I don't know why but I yield more bud with 2 ft plants than with 4 ft plants..
Oh ok. Just looked odd. If you're ok with that fine, otherwise if small plants yield better for you that means they probably weren't able to get enough nutrients for whatever reason. Maybe you just needed a larger root mass is all. I ran into the same problem, not nearly large enough pots.


Even with hydro, the most successful guys that grow trees are using up to 20-25 gallons just for the root mass not counting a separate reservoir. I tried using 6 gallon containers myself and it wasn't nearly enough and your containers look about the same size.
 

thehiena

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Oh ok. Just looked odd. If you're ok with that fine, otherwise if small plants yield better for you that means they probably weren't able to get enough nutrients for whatever reason. Maybe you just needed a larger root mass is all. I ran into the same problem, not nearly large enough pots.


Even with hydro, the most successful guys that grow trees are using up to 20-25 gallons just for the root mass not counting a separate reservoir. I tried using 6 gallon containers myself and it wasn't nearly enough and your containers look about the same size.
My containers are 2 galon buckets.
 

Redeflect

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I've grown decently yielding(no rootbound symptoms) 3ft plants in 3gallon buckets with SOIL. A 3 or 5 gallon bucket should've been more than enough for 2ft. The 2 gallon buckets is cutting it close though.
 

tjizzle

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I've grown soil,dwc and top fed hydro.my last grow was a 13ft by 5 ft room with a thousand watter and 6 ft light mover using advance nutrients,worm castings,chicken shit,cheap wallmart soil mixed with 40 to 50% purlight.and dutch masters liquid light.I used a hodge podge of containers and 14 of the 64 plants where top fed hydro and didnt do as well as the soil.mostly my fault cause I'm on a budget and used well water for the rez too many times.I set up a 4by 9 foot table in the middle.But I got around a pound of decent decent buds. And an ounce of dank.Well to get to the point I dont live there any more now the space I have to deal with is a 5by5 foot closet with a 10 foot ceiling.I want to build a 8 inch grow bed and I was thinkin I could use a sheet of fiber glass and caulk with plywood backing to build a catch basin under the grow bed and like window boxes for the walls that will drain down the walls into the catch basin.the only light I have is a 1000watt hortilux eye hps and a 6inch in line duct fan running into an air sock.Do you guys think that I have enough room to use a 1000 watter .What height should I place my window boxes for best results .I will be using indica dominant skunk strains and I would also like to know if I could get another teir of window boxes in.
 

OregonMeds

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tjizzle

I doubt a duct fan has a chance in hell by itself, but if you bought a cooltube or made one from a couple of candle chimneys and ducted it right you'd probably be ok. I have actually seen a DIY cooltube on a 1k that was just two of the candle chimneys stacked, it's a guy here doing a vertical grow but I don't have a link for you.


You'd also be ok if you leave the closet door open and just use a couple floorstanding oscillating fans to force air in or out of the closet and the room it's in. The doors would always have to be open during lights on though, and closed ea night so they can sleep to flower.

5x5 I bet you can find a pre-made shower base for that and they're not that much.. It's just what you're talking about... Either that or you can make one with a rubber liner and tile it with some cheap tile just like they do for tile shower stalls.

Are you wanting to do a vertical SOG with a ton of zero veg plants? I'd copy heaths or flo's vertical if that's what you are talking about.
 

whythef*not?

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I'm a vert grower. I love it. I'll never look back, even for smaller grows.
I've learned a lot from this thread.

Like the fact that RickWhite is a douche
and that the definition of "unhealthy" has been widened to include lush, green plants as well.
 

purrrrple

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Hi OM, I did grow 4 ft. plants before but I think I have better results with 2 ft. plants, I don't know why but I yield more bud with 2 ft plants than with 4 ft plants.. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
Yes i have a possible explanation. It's funny you made this comment because for many years i was stuggling and having subpar yields. In my case (which may also be yours), i was growing a very stout and broad-leafed indica (Querkle). It's leaves would literally shade every branch accept its colas when left untopped. I also had them packed in a SOG and my canopy was way too dense, which only amplified my problems. I basically would end up cutting off the lower 50% of the plant and cutting many fan leaves in half to allow light to the remaining budsites. This was a problem for many reasons. Tons of wasted veg time, slowed photosynthesis because of all the bottom suckers, intense pruning (which sometimes *GASP* lead to shock). For all these reasons i tried growing much smaller plants. I have found that the smaller plants (with a properly managed canopy) yield heavier and higher quality nugs. The conclusion i have come to is that although the plant has fewer branches (and budsites) those fewer budsites are recieving intense, unshaded light. Also, the plant is able to focus ALL of its energy on JUST those branches (and buds), and doesn't have to waste energy trying to keep the bottom blood suckers alive.

Being said, I have had better results using the same wattage and space and plant numbers growing smaller plants rather than larger, all while saving myself a couple of weeks in veg time. The result is fewer buds, but much larger, fuller, denser, resin-ier, and faster to mature.

Anyone whos grown querkle or urkle knows how painfully slow she grows in veg, so cutting your veg time in half, while maintaining the same (or better) yield is quite a feat.

Although this all seems pretty obvious, some people still insist on over vegging and wonder why they arent getting good yields. It's particulary important to know your strain and its growth patterns, and how to manage your plant and canopy. Many factors come into play when considering plant height, width etc, but this is a very important aspect to growing which is often overlooked.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to know your strain.

Hope this helps a little?:weed:
 

OregonMeds

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Yes i have a possible explanation. It's funny you made this comment because for many years i was stuggling and having subpar yields. In my case (which may also be yours), i was growing a very stout and broad-leafed indica (Querkle). It's leaves would literally shade every branch accept its colas when left untopped. I also had them packed in a SOG and my canopy was way too dense, which only amplified my problems. I basically would end up cutting off the lower 50% of the plant and cutting many fan leaves in half to allow light to the remaining budsites. This was a problem for many reasons. Tons of wasted veg time, slowed photosynthesis because of all the bottom suckers, intense pruning (which sometimes *GASP* lead to shock). For all these reasons i tried growing much smaller plants. I have found that the smaller plants (with a properly managed canopy) yield heavier and higher quality nugs. The conclusion i have come to is that although the plant has fewer branches (and budsites) those fewer budsites are recieving intense, unshaded light. Also, the plant is able to focus ALL of its energy on JUST those branches (and buds), and doesn't have to waste energy trying to keep the bottom blood suckers alive.

Being said, I have had better results using the same wattage and space and plant numbers growing smaller plants rather than larger, all while saving myself a couple of weeks in veg time. The result is fewer buds, but much larger, fuller, denser, resin-ier, and faster to mature.

Anyone whos grown querkle or urkle knows how painfully slow she grows in veg, so cutting your veg time in half, while maintaining the same (or better) yield is quite a feat.

Although this all seems pretty obvious, some people still insist on over vegging and wonder why they arent getting good yields. It's particulary important to know your strain and its growth patterns, and how to manage your plant and canopy. Many factors come into play when considering plant height, width etc, but this is a very important aspect to growing which is often overlooked.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to know your strain.

Hope this helps a little?:weed:
Thanks for trying to help people and I don't mean to bust your balls but...

You are describing the limitations you had in a flat garden in a vertical growing thread, and none of it applies whatsoever.

I can tell by what you say that you aren't talking about a vertical grow.

And technically it's just flat wrong about smaller plants yielding superior buds.
 
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