Iran Update...

[Brevity, The Soul Of Wit!]

You people are absolutely BONKERS!

 

[Wavels]

History is calling Obama, but he is apparently deaf to it.

One would think that an American President would support the Iranian people in their quest for freedom, however Obama does not seem inclined to support this desire among freedom deprived Iranians.
How truly pathetic and sad.



The regime in Tehran, our enemy, is teetering on the brink of collapse. All it needs is a little push from the United States — a strong statement of support for the Iranian people's revolt from the American president. The Iranian people may be able to do this for themselves, but they need our open exhortations of support and encouragement, coupled with some modest measures.....

I got some heat a while back for saying out loud that I think President Obama would rather see the regime prevail. Now here is a hinge moment, right there for the taking, and ... he is giving the regime exactly what it needs to hang on: his deaf ear to the protests and his dogged concession of the regime’s legitimacy.
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Obama – who has spent most of his adult life, including his presidency, talking down America – suddenly found it expedient to tell a hall full of cadets that America is the one nation that “tends to the light of freedom, and justice, and opportunity, and respect for the dignity of all peoples.” Did he mean it? I don’t think so – I think he says whatever he thinks he needs to say in the moment. But here’s his big chance to prove me and others wrong. Far more importantly, it is his opportunity to do a tremendous service to our nation while moving Iran closer to the light of freedom he claims to be tending
Excerpts from:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmNmYmU4MmYzMmQzYzE2NTRkYmJkYTFiOGE0NTY5ZDA=

 

[PadawanBater]

History is calling Obama, but he is apparently deaf to it.

One would think that an American President would support the Iranian people in their quest for freedom, however Obama does not seem inclined to support this desire among freedom deprived Iranians.
How truly pathetic and sad.



The regime in Tehran, our enemy, is teetering on the brink of collapse. All it needs is a little push from the United States — a strong statement of support for the Iranian people's revolt from the American president. The Iranian people may be able to do this for themselves, but they need our open exhortations of support and encouragement, coupled with some modest measures.....

I got some heat a while back for saying out loud that I think President Obama would rather see the regime prevail. Now here is a hinge moment, right there for the taking, and ... he is giving the regime exactly what it needs to hang on: his deaf ear to the protests and his dogged concession of the regime’s legitimacy.
....

Obama – who has spent most of his adult life, including his presidency, talking down America – suddenly found it expedient to tell a hall full of cadets that America is the one nation that “tends to the light of freedom, and justice, and opportunity, and respect for the dignity of all peoples.” Did he mean it? I don’t think so – I think he says whatever he thinks he needs to say in the moment. But here’s his big chance to prove me and others wrong. Far more importantly, it is his opportunity to do a tremendous service to our nation while moving Iran closer to the light of freedom he claims to be tending
Excerpts from:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmNmYmU4MmYzMmQzYzE2NTRkYmJkYTFiOGE0NTY5ZDA=

What the hell is with this insanely common ego most Americans seem to have?

The Iranian people don't give a fuck what Obama has to say, or what America has to say for that matter, their freedom and democracy in Iran is not hinging on any of that stupid shit the tv keeps telling you.



Obama could support them or totally oppose them, it wouldn't mean a damn thing to the Iranian citizens who are fed up with their government.

Think about it.

 

[Woomeister]

The fact that live ammunition is being used against the Iranian people now is going to help the revolt. People now feel even more like the enemy of the state as well as the rest of the world.

 

[Wavels]

What the hell is with this insanely common ego most Americans seem to have?

The Iranian people don't give a fuck what Obama has to say, or what America has to say for that matter, their freedom and democracy in Iran is not hinging on any of that stupid shit the tv keeps telling you.



Obama could support them or totally oppose them, it wouldn't mean a damn thing to the Iranian citizens who are fed up with their government.

Think about it.

Regime change without military force is not desirable??
I suspect that most Iranians would disagree with you.

The Iranian protestors are becoming frustrated with the lack of support from President Obama. A spokesperson for Mousavi’s organization has explicitly asked the U.S. to take the opposition’s side, debunking the argument that doing so is not in the Iranian people’s interest.
The lesson to be learned from the round of nationwide protests that began on December 7 is well-articulated by Iranian dissident Amil Imani:
“Even while continuing to pursue a negotiated resolution of the conflict over Iran’s nuclear program, Obama ought to express Americans’ solidarity with the democratic movement in Iran. The students there, playing on the meaning of Obama’s name in Persian (“he’s with us’’), have been chanting to him: Either you are with us or you are with them. The right choice could not be more obvious

 

[medicineman]

Regime change without military force is not desirable??
I suspect that most Iranians would disagree with you.

The Iranian protestors are becoming frustrated with the lack of support from President Obama. A spokesperson for Mousavi’s organization has explicitly asked the U.S. to take the opposition’s side, debunking the argument that doing so is not in the Iranian people’s interest.
The lesson to be learned from the round of nationwide protests that began on December 7 is well-articulated by Iranian dissident Amil Imani:
“Even while continuing to pursue a negotiated resolution of the conflict over Iran’s nuclear program, Obama ought to express Americans’ solidarity with the democratic movement in Iran. The students there, playing on the meaning of Obama’s name in Persian (“he’s with us’’), have been chanting to him: Either you are with us or you are with them. The right choice could not be more obvious

Of course the opposition wanabees are going to want Obama to intercede, they do not have the strength to overthrow the current regime. In that part of the world, as we've seen in Afghanistan, the new regimes are just as bad as the old, they are corrupt, or religious, either is equally bad. We, The USA, cannot go around the world making countries in our image. We cannot afford it, either in Blood or treasure, and it makes our image out to be imperialistic. Better to (Accept defeat) as you would put it, (although I know not why, as the real defeat is in the misuse of our blood and treasure), and leave those countries to their own devices. Democracy is won by citizens of their own countries. It may take spilling blood, but it should be their own blood, not ours. I'm sure we have plenty of arms dealers that would be glad to arm their citizens, and if not us, the soviets have plenty of spare AK47s lying around in cases. Getting out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and all other muslim countries is the only answer to ending hatred against America, well that and ending our atrocious foriegn policy that protects our corporations and props up dictators accross the globe.

 

[CrackerJax]

The London Times reported Monday that it had obtained "confidential intelligence documents" that "show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb."

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Now, I want all those who stated in the beginning middle or end of this thread, that Iran was not building a bomb, but pursuing peaceful nuclear energy. i want all of you to raise ur hands in NAIVE SHAME... go ahead, I'll wait.

Cracker, ahead of the pack and not looking back.... cya.

 

[Wordz]

The London Times reported Monday that it had obtained "confidential intelligence documents" that "show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb."

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Now, I want all those who stated in the beginning middle or end of this thread, that Iran was not building a bomb, but pursuing peaceful nuclear energy. i want all of you to raise ur hands in NAIVE SHAME... go ahead, I'll wait.

Cracker, ahead of the pack and not looking back.... cya.

does that work? All I have to say on this is that iraq had wmd's right?

 

[PadawanBater]

The London Times reported Monday that it had obtained "confidential intelligence documents" that "show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb."

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Now, I want all those who stated in the beginning middle or end of this thread, that Iran was not building a bomb, but pursuing peaceful nuclear energy. i want all of you to raise ur hands in NAIVE SHAME... go ahead, I'll wait.

Cracker, ahead of the pack and not looking back.... cya.

Cuz the London Times is the end all of sources when it comes to Middle Eastern affairs...

...and you still don't cite a source...

 

[Woomeister]

The London Times....lol, CJ you really ought to investigate the so-called sources you cite. Do you mean THE TIMES? If you do then Im not surprised you believ them...

 

[Wavels]

Iran could not possibly want a bomb?
They have never rattled sabers or threatened any other countries.
They most certainly would not be working on a trigger device.
They tested a long range missile to enhance their nuclear energy program.

Naivete and gullibility need not apply here. Move along. Nothing to see or be concerned with here.



For many months now, American and European intelligence agencies have been trading theories about a spare, two-page document written in Persian that, if genuine, would strongly suggest that scientists in Iran were planning some of the final experiments needed to perfect an atom bomb.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/world/middleeast/16nuke.html?_r=1

 

[CrackerJax]

I love it!!!

The naive train ROLLS on!!!

Common sense is obviously ... not that common.

Americans believing more in the enemy than their own ppl.

Wonderful......

 

[PadawanBater]

I love it!!!

The naive train ROLLS on!!!

Common sense is obviously ... not that common.

Americans believing more in the enemy than their own ppl.

Wonderful......

Well you certainly know who to thank for that one..

But does that honestly come as a surprise to you guys, that I don't really have the highest confidence in my own government?

If that surprises you, you haven't been paying much attention to my posts..

They lied to us. It's really that simple, they lied to our face at the UN, they lied to everyone, got us in this clusterfuck we're trapped in now, which got us to spend a TRILLION dollars on killing innocent people, and they're trying to pass the same shit off again as authentic.

You guys remember reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf! as a kid? Exact same shit. Our government cried wolf, we came running, and discovered years later, after the fact, that it was all bullshit. I'm not being fooled by that shit again. It's going to take much more than "we think they're building nukes" to get me to support killing anyone. I really don't think my position should come as a shock to anyone who appreciates honesty, however depleting it is within the American government.


Some interesting bits from your article Wavels;

"Some people think this is the smoking gun," one senior European official said Tuesday, "and others say it will be very hard to prove if it’s authentic."

Exactly where this thread stands.

"The document does not mention nuclear weapons," the report noted, "and we have seen no evidence of an Iranian decision to build them."

 

[TheBlazehero]

why shouldn't iran have a nuclear weapon?

 

[PadawanBater]

why shouldn't iran have a nuclear weapon?

Personally I don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons.

But I think Cracker, Wavels, and a few others would say because they're an unstable government with terrorist ties (not sure how our government doesn't fit that criteria to a T... but I guess that's another thread).

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Personally I don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons.

But I think Cracker, Wavels, and a few others would say because they're an unstable government with terrorist ties (not sure how our government doesn't fit that criteria to a T... but I guess that's another thread).

Here's the way I see it.

Yes, a world without nuclear weapons would be wonderful. But they were developed. And they were going to be developed at some point. It was inevitable. And with them came a whole hell of a lot of good things, advances which we would not have achieved without nuclear technology.

But the genie has been let out of the bottle. And the U.S. spent two billion dollars to do it in WW II. As such it's our intellectual property; which gives us the authority to have a say in who gets to use it.

Before anybody starts saying the U.S. is evil for using the bomb to end the war much earlier that it would have ended otherwise, consider this. Had the Nazis followed through with their atomic program the world would look quite different today.

 

[doc111]

Here's the way I see it.

Yes, a world without nuclear weapons would be wonderful. But they were developed. And they were going to be developed at some point. It was inevitable. And with them came a whole hell of a lot of good things, advances which we would not have without achieved nuclear technology.

But the genie has been let out of the bottle. And the U.S. spent two billion dollars to do it in WW II. As such it's our intellectual property; which gives us the authority to have a say in who gets to use it.

Before anybody starts saying the U.S. is evil for using the bomb to end the war much earlier that it would have ended otherwise, consider this. Had the Nazis followed through with their atomic program the world would look quite different today.

Sour kraut anyone? I like their beer...........mmmmm, german beer!

 

[Woomeister]

Here's the way I see it.

Yes, a world without nuclear weapons would be wonderful. But they were developed. And they were going to be developed at some point. It was inevitable. And with them came a whole hell of a lot of good things, advances which we would not have achieved without nuclear technology.

But the genie has been let out of the bottle. And the U.S. spent two billion dollars to do it in WW II. As such it's our intellectual property; which gives us the authority to have a say in who gets to use it.

Before anybody starts saying the U.S. is evil for using the bomb to end the war much earlier that it would have ended otherwise, consider this. Had the Nazis followed through with their atomic program the world would look quite different today.

Intellectual property? lol c'mon Johnny you can do better than that! Hand over all your TV's etc we invented them!

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Intellectual property? lol c'mon Johnny you can do better than that! Hand over all your TV's etc we invented them!

But the inventor sold the patent. That technology was authorized to be used.

Next....

 

[Woomeister]

But the inventor sold the patent. That technology was authorized to be used.

Next....

correct me if Im wrong Johnny but I dont believe nuclear science patents are/were given are/were they? Mr Smith hereby applies for a patent to safeguard the splitting of an atom!