Atheism

[Babs34]

Take this bullshit to your Iran update thread Cracker. It doesn't have anything to do with atheism.

Holy Shit!!!
You friggen HYPOCRITE!
But, doesn't it???? You of all people so FREELY showcase your BS hypocrisy?
Oh, wth......it's New Years.....NOT EVEN GOING THERE.
You are but a trinket of science working in action via the Saudis.
I see how it works for you babies....just no patience to divulge in the details.
One word: PATHETIC.

 

[Babs34]

One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God, "Lord, I have a problem!"

"What's the problem, Eve?"

"Lord, I know you've created me and have provided this beautiful garden and all of these wonderful animals, and that hilarious comedy snake, but I'm just not happy."

"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.

"Lord, I am lonely. And I'm sick to death of apples."

"Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you."

"What's a 'man', Lord?"

"A man is a flawed creature, with aggressive tendencies, an enormous ego and an inability to empathize or listen to you properly. All in all, he'll give you a hard time. He'll be bigger and faster and more muscular than you. He'll be really good at fighting and kicking a ball about and hunting fleet-footed ruminants, and not altogether bad in the sack."

"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow.

"Yeah, well. He's better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick. But, you can only have him on one condition."

"What's that, Lord?"

"You'll have to let him believe that I made him first."

I have to give it to you Kat...I like it, in fact I LOVE it A LOT.
My personal joke (as a God-forsken Christian no doubt) has ALWAYS been since I remember reading the Bible......if it took a MERE woman to tempt Adam, and yet the devil himself to tempt Eve, who do you suppose is the "stronger" of the sexes?
Women are tricky. Men are "tricky".....but men are JUST MEN. HAHAHAHAHA
Sorry if some, if not most, don't get my current mentality--not--I am who I am.
Learn to decipher REALITY.

"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow

Very "enlightening" to see women getting it on every realm...atheist or not.

 

[Kriegs]

I look at the vehemence with which the religious vent their views, and it reinforces my atheism daily.

 

[Babs34]

I look at the vehemence with which the religious vent their views, and it reinforces my atheism daily.

To each their own.
For me, it reinforces the deliberate, yet precise inaccuracies/realities of Biblical history.

 

[morgentaler]

Genesis makes no mention that Adam ever saw the snake talk.
Seems like the only deceiver in that garden came with a vagina.


And then there's this:
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

After there being no mention that the serpent was the devil we see the above. He certainly isn't addressing it as one of his angels. And he says they are cursed... which is odd, since if he's God he can just make it go away instead of being one of the world's most widely established reptile families.
Snakes don't eat dust. Some eat rodents, eggs, insects, and the large ones have been known to eat larger prey, with the African Rock Pythons having been known to snack upon a village child now and then.

So another fib by God in Genesis, after telling them they would surely die.

And a misrepresentation by Christians that the snake was the devil.

And somewhere in the middle east is a gate with a little fat kid with wings and a sword! Why can't I find it on Google Map?!

 

[Katatawnic]

I have to give it to you Kat...I like it, in fact I LOVE it A LOT.
My personal joke (as a God-forsken Christian no doubt) has ALWAYS been since I remember reading the Bible......if it took a MERE woman to tempt Adam, and yet the devil himself to tempt Eve, who do you suppose is the "stronger" of the sexes?
Women are tricky. Men are "tricky".....but men are JUST MEN. HAHAHAHAHA
Sorry if some, if not most, don't get my current mentality--not--I am who I am.
Learn to decipher REALITY.

"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow

Very "enlightening" to see women getting it on every realm...atheist or not.

Funny that it was a "God-forsaken Christian woman" who got a kick out of that. Remember, though, that the "devil" wasn't mentioned in the Bible yet. That character was explicitly referred to as a serpent; had it been God's adversary, it would have been made clear who was to "blame" for our "original sin" affliction. Just as for centuries Mary Magdalene was believed to be the unnamed prostitute that Jesus forgave right before Mary was introduced into his story, taught by the Church itself, who finally "recanted" only fairly recently in history (and many people still aren't aware of this)... the serpent has been assumed to be the "devil" via teachings of people who decided to interpret the writings for us.

Moving on from being so damn literal all the time... It's indeed interesting that Eve was convinced by a so-called manipulator (you'd have to read my latest thread to see why I say "so-called"), whereas Adam only needed Eve's words rather than some creature that was (one would assume by reading the chapter) mesmerizing and cunning. Who really gave in so easily?

Genesis makes no mention that Adam ever saw the snake talk.
Seems like the only deceiver in that garden came with a vagina.


And then there's this:
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

After there being no mention that the serpent was the devil we see the above. He certainly isn't addressing it as one of his angels. And he says they are cursed... which is odd, since if he's God he can just make it go away instead of being one of the world's most widely established reptile families.
Snakes don't eat dust. Some eat rodents, eggs, insects, and the large ones have been known to eat larger prey, with the African Rock Pythons having been known to snack upon a village child now and then.

So another fib by God in Genesis, after telling them they would surely die.

And a misrepresentation by Christians that the snake was the devil.

And somewhere in the middle east is a gate with a little fat kid with wings and a sword! Why can't I find it on Google Map?!

So the battle of the sexes begins! Guess I started it with my little joke though, eh?

And this now ties in the thread I began the other day. I thought the debate was whether it was God or the serpent who lied, and now you're bringing vaginas into it? What a brat you are!

I totally forgot about the whole "eating dust" thing...

 

[morgentaler]

WTF! You west coasters are in for a surprise. As soon as the clock rolled over to Midnight a big humvee pulled up in front of the house and Jesus himself jumped out and said it's the Rapture, and we've been drafted. We're going to Jesusland!

Apparently it takes a few hours for the lower intestine to morph into a solid rocket booster to propel us up to Jesusland so I have this brief opportunity to let you know in advance what 2010 holds for you.

Happy New Year, and don't go to the bathroom! You might miss out on Jesusland!

P.S. When we get there we all get our own dinosaur! And a 2 ark garage!

 

[Babs34]

Yes, and the stench of war, blood, shit, death is as sweet incense to his sanctified nostrils.

You are bloodthirsty, babs.

Wow, I almost missed this post.

Yup, that's me......blood thirsty.
The later description pertaining to how I know God is so entirely off basis....yet typical when assessed "supposedly accordingly."
May I suggest you ask a person's individual perception PRIOR to judgement?

Consider for just a moment that I am currently in the process for REPRIMANDING my son with consequences galore solely for finally being FED UP with passively tolearting bullying for months! His "classmate" has been dictating that he move from whatever seat he has chosen to take........a powertrip from this child, no doubt.
Little did I know that my son had been TAKING dictation from this little boy for months. My son is the type to hold things in again and again---thinking it the right way to handle appropriately, without "proper assesment".......
After being pushed to the utter extremes, he explodes! This boy had DICTATED he move from his seat "once again"........and he had it to the point where he just said, "Nope." (Let's not mention where this same boy took his $700 instrument and threw it like a frisbee)

Long story short......my son has been taught that no matter what the situation, he is NOT to resort to violence---UNLESS he has NO OTHER option but to !!!!.....AND that it had BETTER be because he was had NO option BUT to defend himself to the HILT!

That is what extent I will take even minutely "excusing" the VIOLENCE.
We have had EXPLICIT conversations pertaining to what will be even remotely acceptable!

I have basically, let my pubescent teen know, that under NO circumstances, will I PERMIT his EVEN striking another child without KNOWLEDGE he has no other choice in which to defend himself!!!
You've NO idea how implicitly I've made that message ABUNDANTLY CLEAR!
I will tell you right now that my son, AFTER having tolerated this boy's "dictations" for SO long, he FINALLY snapped and knocked the shit out of him! Another boy who had been bullied by this particular boy initiated his response.
Altough my son had EVERY RIGHT to DEFEND himself, I have PUNISHED him for not PROPERLY "defending" himself.
As a parent, a part of me wished to tell him to just kick that little boy's ass, but I am much more mature than to go that route.
Unless you are a parent and have had your child bullied, you don't need to even think yourself capable of replying.
Blood thirsty???
You couldn't even possibly be further from the truth.
I know of no Christian who will tell you that Israel is not going to be held accountable before God.
The biggest problem with most atheists and beliefs pertaining to Chritianity is that they pre-conceive notions as to how we believe.
Aside from this being a "religious" factor, I've alway been the type to advocate the under dog.
Israel is NOT the aggressor!!
For those who blindly accept them as so, I've little advice to give them, other than....DO YOUR HOMEWORK.



HAPPY NEW YEARS.

 

[Babs34]

WTF! You west coasters are in for a surprise. As soon as the clock rolled over to Midnight a big humvee pulled up in front of the house and Jesus himself jumped out and said it's the Rapture, and we've been drafted. We're going to Jesusland!

Apparently it takes a few hours for the lower intestine to morph into a solid rocket booster to propel us up to Jesusland so I have this brief opportunity to let you know in advance what 2010 holds for you.

Happy New Year, and don't go to the bathroom! You might miss out on Jesusland!

P.S. When we get there we all get our own dinosaur! And a 2 ark garage!

Me thinks you're just experiencing a bad trip on acid.....take two asprin and call me in the morning.

 

[PadawanBater]

Babs, you get crazier and crazier each post! Now it's to the point of incoherent giberish...

I'll make it easy for you... (or any other believers reading along who think they might have answers to these questions)

Since this is a thread about atheism and all..


-What is the strongest secular (outside the bible) evidence that supports Christianity?

-Do you acknowledge evolution is how human beings got here? That our ancestors were once sea dwelling animals, then the descendants of them developed the tools and abilities neccessary to walk and survive on land... gills to lungs and fins to feet/wrists/ankles, and such, then later mammals emerged, then primates, then us? Or do you think everything that currently exists now has always existed in it's present form, and all animals have existed alongside eachother (cows with veloceraptors, buffalo with sabertooth tigers, etc...) since creation?

-What have you got to say about DNA and it's ability to tell us about the past?

-Is all life related or not?

-Can someone be moral without believing in a god?

 

[Katatawnic]

As a parent, a part of me wished to tell him to just kick that little boy's ass, but I am much more mature than to go that route.
Unless you are a parent and have had your child bullied, you don't need to even think yourself capable of replying.

My son (M) was severely bullied, at the hands of my older son (R) more than anyone else. I'm not referring to "sibling rivalry" in the least; I know the difference between brothers battling and violent abuse. When M was about 11 or 12, I did basically "get on" him about fighting back and getting R off of him once and for all. Back then, he said he chose to take it because if he fought back he'd get beaten more severely, whereas if he took it then it would end soon. We finally got to the point of separating them in the hopes of them being able to have small enough doses of each other to grow into young men who got along and even might, GASP, become friends... so R moved in with my mom, and they saw each other on holidays and several weekends/vacations a year. It was all we could do to prevent one from severely hurting the other, and harboring years of rage and hatred between them.

Fast forward, now they're 19 & 22. A couple/few months ago, M comes for a visit, and he's quite distraught. The night before, R was doing his usual dictating to M; how to live his life and run his household. (Mind you, R was a guest at M's home that week, but that's R's personality: boss others around and tell them how to live their lives, all the while thinking he's taking the focus off of his own behaviors and downfalls.) M and his roommates were fed up, and M told R to just knock it off. R's answer to this was, as usual, to pop M in the face.

After nineteen years of rage at having been bullied and dictated to by his brother, M responded in kind. And he believed he could literally have killed R in the process, had M's best friend not pulled him off. He wasn't distraught at having kicked R's ass, however. The torture he was going through was due solely to the sheer animalistic rage he experienced, and the primal urge to kill. (I assured him that when one is to the point of such rage and violence, one isn't rationally thinking, "I want to blacken this guy's eye a bit." There is no rationality at this point, and the urge/thought of "I want to kill!" is instinct. He knows that I wasn't "condoning" the violence; rather, assuring him that the thoughts that came with the violence are natural and normal.)

Most of all, he was furious with himself for having allowed R to dictate to and bully him all his life, believing himself to be "keeping the peace" in doing so. Had he stood up to the bullying years earlier, R would have backed off, and violence as severe as this incident would likely have never occurred. (Sure enough, R has avoided M like the plague since, and there's been genuine fear in his voice and in his eyes at the mention of his brother. BTW, R is a sociopath, so for him to suddenly act like this says something.)

It's certainly not the "mature" thing for a parent to advise one's child to kick that bully's ass. But there is absolutely no reasoning with people who do the bullying. So what is the bullied to do? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm not giving you an answer or solution, nor telling anyone how to raise their kids in the least. (Though I can completely understand why your son snapped, as I do with mine. lol) Just saying it's a B.S. situation all around, and finding a solution to such issues would most likely be the end to not just "playground" bullying, but also the end to terrorism, war, etc.

SHEESH! I'm not even high, and I'm rambling like crazy today!

 

[morgentaler]

Sociopathic kids are *no* fun. My ex-stepson showed all the signs. Zero empathy. Poor impulse control.
Wouldn't wish those experiences on anyone.

 

[BongHits4Jesus]

Thanks for taking the time to sum everything up like that man. +Rep

 

[Katatawnic]

Tell me about it... it breaks my heart that my own son is someone I can't ever be close to nor trust, yet I've also started to just become "numb" to it the last couple of years as well. It's the only way I can cope. I drove myself insane trying to "reach" him for years, but there is no reaching a sociopath. We converse like mere acquaintances, and I basically pretend I don't love him; I won't allow him the ability to use my love as a weapon against me anymore. Yet I have to admit, the "love" I feel for him now has become, honestly, not just a maternal instinct, but even a feeling of "obligation" so to speak. I know that if I hadn't given birth to him, I wouldn't have much of anything to do with him.

Zero empathy, zero impulse control, zero remorse. They don't care about how they make others feel; only how others make them feel. Other people are their projects, and nothing more. And that whole "blending in with society" thing... absolutely true! Talk about master manipulators too! I know that's why he decided he "hated" me several years ago: I'm the only person he knew that saw through his manipulations and didn't let him get past me with it. That drove him mad, and he set out to attempt to destroy me for a few years. Now we're cordial to each other, which makes it all much easier for me and my family.

Reality bites sometimes, eh?

 

[BiG PuFFer]

if god created everyone then he created skeptics too.

 

[Katatawnic]

"If" being the key word.

 

[jfgordon1]

jesus is a joke. he's nothing but a generic "messiah"

 

[Woodstock.Hippie]

Humanisty has been exceedingly intelligent for an exceedingly long time In Our Minds and has done very well with the tools at hand.
Don't be fooled for a second that native savages are less human than you.
We just have different realities because our perceptions are different.

Christianity is older than the modern bible books.

To each their own.
For me, it reinforces the deliberate, yet precise inaccuracies/realities of Biblical history.

 

[morgentaler]

Maybe Babs can tell us the age at which it is appropriate to tell a child that they are going to be tortured for eternity if they don't love Jesus?

 

[Woodstock.Hippie]

morgentaler, please open your mind and souless bag of worm food to the next sentence.

You appear to be a very smart man and I know you know a theist does not have to believe in the Abrahamic trio, yet you viciously attack anyone with a theist perspective with great animosity (because, as you have said, you want them to vote like you) by instantly and generically ascribing your perception of what a christian is to them and then begin throwing internet stones and ridiculing them for believing ALL of the preachings of the imaginary religion you constructed in your mind and then ascribed to them.

That is just plain mean, and not conducive to the betterment of the human race nor does it add to humansity's knowledge base.