FYI for the newcomers.
My self and others have not only shot down every claim made in the thread, we have crushed them, destroyed them, massacred them, buried them in a shallow grave and took a bit steaming shit on them.
The only reason this thread is alive is because the newcomers don't go back and read the utter carnage my self and others have visited upon Grow Rebel, Keenly and the others. This so called "debate" was over long ago and is now a simple matter of a few idiots repeating the same old nonsense that we shoved up their ass pages ago. Do your self a favor and don't waste your time with these guys - even when you prove them wrong they will still insist they are right.
Watch as they respond to this post with the lie that I never disproved their claims even though several of us disproved every single one 100 times over.