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Joker209

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I was told I could water with H2O2 using soil and so I did and now my plants are looking somewhat wilted and look like their twisting. I just watered them about 4 hours ago and I need to know should I flush them or just let them go into their dark cycle and tend to it tomorrow? I need a quick reply if you have advice please I would highly appreciate it. I fed with 3ml floramicro 1ml floragro and 1ml florabloom. Could this combination be the problem as I just introduced the florabloom into the watering? Or is it the H2O2?

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swordfish984

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I was told I could water with H2O2 using soil and so I did and now my plants are looking somewhat wilted and look like their twisting. I just watered them about 4 hours ago and I need to know should I flush them or just let them go into their dark cycle and tend to it tomorrow? I need a quick reply if you have advice please I would highly appreciate it. I fed with 3ml floramicro 1ml floragro and 1ml florabloom. Could this combination be the problem as I just introduced the florabloom into the watering? Or is it the H2O2?

Quick responses needed please.
you watered with hydogen peroxide? that sounds like a shitty idea
 

streetlegal

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I was told I could water with H2O2 using soil and so I did and now my plants are looking somewhat wilted and look like their twisting. I just watered them about 4 hours ago and I need to know should I flush them or just let them go into their dark cycle and tend to it tomorrow? I need a quick reply if you have advice please I would highly appreciate it. I fed with 3ml floramicro 1ml floragro and 1ml florabloom. Could this combination be the problem as I just introduced the florabloom into the watering? Or is it the H2O2?

Quick responses needed please.
dude im pretty sure that h2o2 wont hurt ur plant, the only bad thing itll do is kill any beneficial bacteria in ur soil.. someone else will chime in with some coincrete info but im 99% sure..
as long as u used it according to the instructions
 

GidgetGrows

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Stole this from another site....
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydroponics/26759-hydrogen-peroxide-h2o2.html

Hydrogen Peroxide and Horticulture
By Bryce Fredrickson



Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen (H2) and Oxygen (O2), however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.

What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pre treating the water supply with H2O2will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.

Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution; this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, ‘dirt like’ rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscous circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/over watering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.

Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 1\2 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.

Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities. Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web.(there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water.

3%5%, 8% Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.

What to do if you already have root rot.

In Dirt:
Use peroxide water with an anti-fungicide and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Increase aeration of the water, get an air pump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.

Summary
The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.

Now i bet you want to know how much to add right?
Here is Ozgrowa's H2O2 formula:

Quote:
US Standard
1.28*G/C= Liquid Oz's per day

Metric
10*L/C= Ml per day

C= % concentration of H2O2
L= Number of liters in reservoir
G= Number of Gallons in reservoir

Example: How much 3% H202 should I add to 7 gallons of nutes?
1.28*7/3=2.986 Oz's each day.
And a quote from Oz explaining if it's safe to use.


Quote:
Hydrogen Peroxide breaks down to hydrogen and oxygen within 3 days of being added either to a hydroponic solution or a soilmix. There is no residual with it, it becomes oxygen and hydrogen gas. It is not un-natural in the least, it forms the basic building blocks of life, its just a stable liquid form of oxygen.

Wolfman, myself and a lot of others use this both in our Hydroponics grows (me) and in soil grows (wolfman), the pictures speak for themselves, the additional chloroplastic activity as a result of the chlorophyll deeping will give you much thicker stems and larger leaves, with much deeper green. Yes the plants can absorb more light. the solution will also be much cleaner as the organic matter is oxidized to make...oxygen
 

super2200

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I agree that others may use but I have used and within an hour almost lost everything in DWC. I would flush the plant which in effect negates what you were trying to do which was give the roots more oxygen, next time just allow the soil to dry a bit before watering and this will give it oxygen. I have heard people using an air stone in the nute bucket and keep the solution very aerated. I have also ready that some use air stone in the soil itself (not sure about that one) I would stay away from h202. YOu want more size go get a bigger light, let us know how this turns out for you
 

super2200

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forgot to mention or ask what type of soil mix your using because if your not using enough perlite or something to give the soil lots of breathing room then your wasting time trying to get oxygen to roots because your mix is so solid and packs down so much. Good luck man ahh sorry see your journal now and you mention right off the bat your watering every 3 days. I dont agree with people that have a "schedule" as not all plants need the same amount and I dont water unless they need it, so possibly allowing a bit more soil drying will give the roots the oxygen your trying to give them; happens in nature they dont need the help
 

Joker209

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I water every 3-4 days to allow the soil to air properly and the H2O2 was to give the plants that added boost of O2 and I was told soil growers use it sometimes when they want to introduce that extra boost so I tried it. The other thing I tried was adding some bloom to the mix and I'm wondering if that may be it but then again the nutrient difference in the 1ml of bloom shouldn't have effected them that vigorously.

I mixed roughly 1/16 Cup of H2O2 in a 5 gallon bucket (where I mix my nutes and water) and watered with it. I checked the ph before watering and it was the normal 6.5 and that was no different from every other day. I did happen to notice when I was watering there were a few roots showing so would that cause them to appear wilted and twisted? I am going to go check on them right now. They are in their dark period but I don't think turning the lights on for a minute will hurt.

EDIT * I went and checked them just now and they don't appear to be worsening so I think I will go ahead and check on them in the morning and make sure I don't have to flush. I didn't use a lot so it should be ok even if it was too much right?

Miracle Grow Potting Mix. It says pretty fluffy even during watering so I have no worries about drainage. The roots look beautiful when I can see them and the last couple times I transplanted they were a nice pearly white.
 

eza82

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H2o2 dose not do well in dirt IMO , UNLESS you had really shit damp soil to begin with and you treated it BEFORE YOU planted. Then mix in your manures, compost etc...
The advise to mix it with IBA or IBB is a good tac though if you were to do it. So as you chemically prune, you are inducing more growth :)

IMO its only for sick plants really, that have rot rot or rot bound and more for high humidty indoor growing.
 

Joker209

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I just checked my girls and all is good, they are looking BEAUTIFUL!!! I am glad they are doing better. They grew 3" in their dark cycle over night. I took some pictures to post but my internet sucks so I will be uploading as soon as I can. I will be passing out +Rep for those who helped me and tried to help. Thanks everyone for the prompt responses :D
 

Joker209

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Heres your problem right here



Stop that, If somebody "tells" you something do some research into first....;-)
Actually I did do a little research and found a few people that swear by it. Not sure what kinds of soils they use and I personally didn't think that small amount would hurt anything. I think they were in a bit of shock or possibly overdosed on the O2 for a minute lol They are looking good now though. Thanks jeff. Liked the ideas on the thread "FUCK 7weeks into flower and suite inspection!!" Those were some good ideas man. Loved it :P
 

Jeffdogg

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Actually I did do a little research and found a few people that swear by it. Not sure what kinds of soils they use and I personally didn't think that small amount would hurt anything. I think they were in a bit of shock or possibly overdosed on the O2 for a minute lol They are looking good now though. Thanks jeff. Liked the ideas on the thread "FUCK 7weeks into flower and suite inspection!!" Those were some good ideas man. Loved it :P
glad to hear they recovered mate :bigjoint:, soil is tricky when I use to use peroxide in soil it was like 1 cap full every few gallons. Thx for the kind words bro cant wait to see some pics! :weed:
 

Joker209

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glad to hear they recovered mate :bigjoint:, soil is tricky when I use to use peroxide in soil it was like 1 cap full every few gallons. Thx for the kind words bro cant wait to see some pics! :weed:
The upload is at 36% and climbing so well see. Keep your fingers crossed lol.

The upload failed but I plan on uploading tonight. I have to help a friend over night and will be uploading there. She has much better internet lol I WILL upload some pics tonight.
Hopefully every 1 I have lol. The +Reps are coming as soon as I get a moment to sit down and do it. Rushing around right now.
 

super2200

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Back on track, looking good man. I had issues the ONE time I applied the peroxide and just know things can go very wrong very fast as well as being beneficial in some situations, I wouldn't mess with the stuff in soil myself. Good to see everything turned out well. Happy growing
 

Jeffdogg

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Back on track, looking good man. I had issues the ONE time I applied the peroxide and just know things can go very wrong very fast as well as being beneficial in some situations, I wouldn't mess with the stuff in soil myself. Good to see everything turned out well. Happy growing
Yar I agree, I stopped using it in soil quite a while ago, never suffered any changes in product or anything like that. When I get one of those little rubbermaid aero systems up and running i'll use it for that. But soil dont really need it. These days I try to do/add as little as little as possible. I learned the more you do the more that can wrong.;-)
 

Joker209

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Back on track, looking good man. I had issues the ONE time I applied the peroxide and just know things can go very wrong very fast as well as being beneficial in some situations, I wouldn't mess with the stuff in soil myself. Good to see everything turned out well. Happy growing
Yea I know how that goes haha I had a few plants a while back (few years ago) that I was told to try something with (I forget) and they died in under an hour... That was why I got concerned so quickly this time haha. I just topped them. You can see the posts in my journal found in my sig.
Yar I agree, I stopped using it in soil quite a while ago, never suffered any changes in product or anything like that. When I get one of those little rubbermaid aero systems up and running i'll use it for that. But soil dont really need it. These days I try to do/add as little as little as possible. I learned the more you do the more that can wrong.;-)
I just made a couple and will be using them as soon as my clones get some longer roots on em. I have 8 cuttings rooting right now and will stick them straight into flower after I get em set up in the tote so I can determine the sex of the plants I cut from. I may end up eliminating a few plants from my garden because their slow growers. I'll be using a rubbermaid 22 gallo tote with 20 holes in the lid and will be running a dual air pump with 2 hoses and about 6 4" air stones. I have 4 totes that I will be using on my next grow. Not sure if I'll do a journal on that yet though. Rusty at it still haha been a while.
Check out my journal in my sig to keep track of whats goin on with the ladies.
 

Jeffdogg

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Yea I know how that goes haha I had a few plants a while back (few years ago) that I was told to try something with (I forget) and they died in under an hour... That was why I got concerned so quickly this time haha. I just topped them. You can see the posts in my journal found in my sig.


I just made a couple and will be using them as soon as my clones get some longer roots on em. I have 8 cuttings rooting right now and will stick them straight into flower after I get em set up in the tote so I can determine the sex of the plants I cut from. I may end up eliminating a few plants from my garden because their slow growers. I'll be using a rubbermaid 22 gallo tote with 20 holes in the lid and will be running a dual air pump with 2 hoses and about 6 4" air stones. I have 4 totes that I will be using on my next grow. Not sure if I'll do a journal on that yet though. Rusty at it still haha been a while.
Check out my journal in my sig to keep track of whats goin on with the ladies.
cool bro, I was planning on building a couple aero untis with the same totes :blsmoke:, I'll def. keep an eye out for a journal, and will be checking in on your current one. Happy growing brother :bigjoint:
 
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