Oaksterdam t-5 veg 600w hps flower

d.c. beard

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Put the extra plant in, spread all the plants out to the outer edge of the area/room (but not right against the wall or anything), thin out some of the biggest fan leaves toward the top half of the plants so light can penetrate the canopy better, and then just somehow try to keep the canopy even. Try to keep your light about 18" over the tops of the plants.
 

Drella

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Put the extra plant in, spread all the plants out to the outer edge of the area/room (but not right against the wall or anything), thin out some of the biggest fan leaves toward the top half of the plants so light can penetrate the canopy better, and then just somehow try to keep the canopy even. Try to keep your light about 18" over the tops of the plants.
i feel so much better doing it with your backing DC! you're the man! i was scared about trimming off some or the top big fan leaves, (because they feed the plant), but obviously they find a way to feed, look at you're grows! the plant I've decided to throw in is the revegged bushy beast, (WWX3cheese), im gonna take like four cuttings off her tomorrow, and throw her in a day or two.

my hood has a glass cover. i air cool it with a 180cfm 4" exhaust fan. it aircools the light, and exhaust air out the room. would you do 18" even with an air cooled hood? i had it 20" away before nugs showed. it's around 18" away now nugs are blossoming. thanks bro!
 

terrorizer805

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my best sativa and indica, OGKGC, and Hindu SKunk. first pic of hindu, second of OGKGC. third pic of top shot of both, OG on the left! any comments appreciated!
so that's the OGKGC?
It looks exactly like mine, I hate how they grow really tall with flimsy scrony branches. I'm going with all indicas my on my next run. Hopefully some white rhino and some cannadential :leaf:
 

Drella

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yeahuuuh! funny how the bushy ones are so mush more sexier indoor, IDK, well see how much she yields. I also have a LAOG in veg, like 2' right now. F%CK! i think ill always do one sativa though, people love the variety, well see how much of a pain she is!
 

notoriousb

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damn dude, don't know how I wasn't following this grow before Drella. my bad man! glad I found it when I did

definitely scribed now tho and looks like things are starting to get very interesting :weed:
 

d.c. beard

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Looking great Drella. Yes, just keep the light about 18" above the canopy so that the light can 'spread' out evenly across all the plants. I used to try to keep it lower for more lumens, which I thought would equal more yield. But trust me, it works much better with the light up a bit so it can spread and this way you never have to worry about heat-stressing/light-bleaching your tops either.

Put the tallest plants in the corners, the shorter plants in the middle, put them in a circle kinda, spread out evenly, with the light about 18" above the middle. Then, trim off any big fan leaves that you have that grow INWARD on the plant and are obstructing lower areas from getting light. Leave all the big fans around the outside edges of the plant and the outside 'ring' if you will of plants (your lighting footprint). Fan leaves that aren't obstructing anything (i.e., around the outside edges of the garden 'ring') should not be cut.



I trim leaves off all the time, and it doesn't hurt the plant at all. THIS is what trimming off the big fans on the top half of the plant will give you. Leave the bottom half. Big. Rockhard. Nugs.
 

Someguy15

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Sativas have a nice high, I just can't stand the A)lengthiness of them B)the extra 2-3 weeks of flowering they need and C) the reduced yield compared to a Indica of the same age. I guess you could always go with a 70/30 or 50/50 and reduce these effects though. I'm impatient at this point in my life what can i say lol
 

tom__420

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Looking great Drella. Yes, just keep the light about 18" above the canopy so that the light can 'spread' out evenly across all the plants. I used to try to keep it lower for more lumens, which I thought would equal more yield. But trust me, it works much better with the light up a bit so it can spread and this way you never have to worry about heat-stressing/light-bleaching your tops either.

Put the tallest plants in the corners, the shorter plants in the middle, put them in a circle kinda, spread out evenly, with the light about 18" above the middle. Then, trim off any big fan leaves that you have that grow INWARD on the plant and are obstructing lower areas from getting light. Leave all the big fans around the outside edges of the plant and the outside 'ring' if you will of plants (your lighting footprint). Fan leaves that aren't obstructing anything (i.e., around the outside edges of the garden 'ring') should not be cut.



I trim leaves off all the time, and it doesn't hurt the plant at all. THIS is what trimming off the big fans on the top half of the plant will give you. Leave the bottom half. Big. Rockhard. Nugs.
Did you leave some plants with all the leaves on the top half? It doesn't make sense that by removing the leaves from the top half of the plant would result in bigger buds, it just doesn't work that way
I can bet that if you left a plant untouched it would have yielded even more than the ones that were touched
The plants need the sun/fan leaves to adsorb light and combine it with co2 and h2o to go through photosynthesis
The leaves need the light, not the buds
The leaves absorbing the light along with co2 and h2o will make glucose (C6H12O6)
h2o + co2 + light = C6H12O6 or glucose a simple sugar that feeds the plant
 

BooMeR242

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damn drella u got sum lanky lady there. sativa is always gonna b taller but lookin good!
the whole leaf trimming theory is gonna be a mess. everyones gonna have their own methods and good arguments both sides. ull just have to experiment and find wat u like. all natural makes sense, but then so does cleanin up the plant to avoid future issues; (fungi pest humidity etc) so better to have sum nug then no nug. but gotta figure shit out for urself. theres plenty of growers on here with good and bad experience to share and help ya learn
 

terrorizer805

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Did you leave some plants with all the leaves on the top half? It doesn't make sense that by removing the leaves from the top half of the plant would result in bigger buds, it just doesn't work that way
I can bet that if you left a plant untouched it would have yielded even more than the ones that were touched
The plants need the sun/fan leaves to adsorb light and combine it with co2 and h2o to go through photosynthesis
The leaves need the light, not the buds
The leaves absorbing the light along with co2 and h2o will make glucose (C6H12O6)
h2o + co2 + light = C6H12O6 or glucose a simple sugar that feeds the plant
Amen to that!

That's why I never remove any leaves from my plants, let nature take it's course, your only job is to play god :-P
 

Drella

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damn dude, don't know how I wasn't following this grow before Drella. my bad man! glad I found it when I did

definitely scribed now tho and looks like things are starting to get very interesting :weed:
they for sure are brother, don't feel bad. i been folowwing yours b/c we got similar setups, this should be a good one! pull up a chair mang!

Looking great Drella. Yes, just keep the light about 18" above the canopy so that the light can 'spread' out evenly across all the plants. I used to try to keep it lower for more lumens, which I thought would equal more yield. But trust me, it works much better with the light up a bit so it can spread and this way you never have to worry about heat-stressing/light-bleaching your tops either.

Put the tallest plants in the corners, the shorter plants in the middle, put them in a circle kinda, spread out evenly, with the light about 18" above the middle. Then, trim off any big fan leaves that you have that grow INWARD on the plant and are obstructing lower areas from getting light. Leave all the big fans around the outside edges of the plant and the outside 'ring' if you will of plants (your lighting footprint). Fan leaves that aren't obstructing anything (i.e., around the outside edges of the garden 'ring') should not be cut.



I trim leaves off all the time, and it doesn't hurt the plant at all. THIS is what trimming off the big fans on the top half of the plant will give you. Leave the bottom half. Big. Rockhard. Nugs.
ill defnitely benefit from yours trials DC! the lights gonna stay 18" away! i like the theory of tall plants to the outside, i always wondered how the canopy of light should be disbursed. i cut like 10-15 fan leaves off my four plants in bloom, those nugs underneath are gonna love it! i only cut leaves on the inside, like you said, it makes sense!

basically ive admired your grows from the beginning DC, your one of the few who got it dialed in! i also love how some of your opinions differ from the mainstream, were similar in a lot of ways, thanks bro! BTW, theres always room for your bud porn on my thread!

Sativas have a nice high, I just can't stand the A)lengthiness of them B)the extra 2-3 weeks of flowering they need and C) the reduced yield compared to a Indica of the same age. I guess you could always go with a 70/30 or 50/50 and reduce these effects though. I'm impatient at this point in my life what can i say lol
i know! sativas are so frustrating! to be honest tho, i think ill always have at least one in bloom, no more than that though!
i know what you mean about impatience!

Did you leave some plants with all the leaves on the top half? It doesn't make sense that by removing the leaves from the top half of the plant would result in bigger buds, it just doesn't work that way
I can bet that if you left a plant untouched it would have yielded even more than the ones that were touched
The plants need the sun/fan leaves to adsorb light and combine it with co2 and h2o to go through photosynthesis
The leaves need the light, not the buds
The leaves absorbing the light along with co2 and h2o will make glucose (C6H12O6)
h2o + co2 + light = C6H12O6 or glucose a simple sugar that feeds the plant
defintely true statements tom_420, thanks for the advice! i trimmed some of my inside fan leaves simply because i want the nugs that i let stay on this plant, (i mean the ones that survived the last undergrowth trimming) to be big like the rest of the nugs. weird how there are two contridicting basic opionions in growing, 1-undergrowth is always gonna yield small, just cut it off, consintrate energy to the top! and 2- fan leaves are the lifeline to Cannabus!

damn drella u got sum lanky lady there. sativa is always gonna b taller but lookin good!
the whole leaf trimming theory is gonna be a mess. everyones gonna have their own methods and good arguments both sides. ull just have to experiment and find wat u like. all natural makes sense, but then so does cleanin up the plant to avoid future issues; (fungi pest humidity etc) so better to have sum nug then no nug. but gotta figure shit out for urself. theres plenty of growers on here with good and bad experience to share and help ya learn
yeah thats why i love growing, and this site. everyone here just wants to help and learn. you guys all rock in my book!

Amen to that!

That's why I never remove any leaves from my plants, let nature take it's course, your only job is to play god :-P
Terror, i respect your disipline and green efforts. your grows are sick bro! your grows really resemble nature, mine have a little twist. i love experimenting, and the "fun" in growing. im always gonna try new things. one day i hope to have the method "dialed in" but right now im having fun! thanks dude!
 

terrorizer805

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they for sure are brother, don't feel bad. i been folowwing yours b/c we got similar setups, this should be a good one! pull up a chair mang!



ill defnitely benefit from yours trials DC! the lights gonna stay 18" away! i like the theory of tall plants to the outside, i always wondered how the canopy of light should be disbursed. i cut like 10-15 fan leaves off my four plants in bloom, those nugs underneath are gonna love it! i only cut leaves on the inside, like you said, it makes sense!

basically ive admired your grows from the beginning DC, your one of the few who got it dialed in! i also love how some of your opinions differ from the mainstream, were similar in a lot of ways, thanks bro! BTW, theres always room for your bud porn on my thread!



i know! sativas are so frustrating! to be honest tho, i think ill always have at least one in bloom, no more than that though!
i know what you mean about impatience!



defintely true statements tom_420, thanks for the advice! i trimmed some of my inside fan leaves simply because i want the nugs that i let stay on this plant, (i mean the ones that survived the last undergrowth trimming) to be big like the rest of the nugs. weird how there are two contridicting basic opionions in growing, 1-undergrowth is always gonna yield small, just cut it off, consintrate energy to the top! and 2- fan leaves are the lifeline to Cannabus!



yeah thats why i love growing, and this site. everyone here just wants to help and learn. you guys all rock in my book!



Terror, i respect your disipline and green efforts. your grows are sick bro! your grows really resemble nature, mine have a little twist. i love experimenting, and the "fun" in growing. im always gonna try new things. one day i hope to have the method "dialed in" but right now im having fun! thanks dude!

That's cool bro, Good Luck :leaf:
 

Drella

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some pics took last night when the lights turned off! real blurry but you can tell how the cola structures gonna be though!

also a pic of the next generation. ive never done red cups before, just straight to 3 gallon pots. does anybody know when i should transplant?

last pic of the revegged monster, my only WWARX3CHEESE! im gonna top her, take a cutting from that, and a bunch of cuttings of the bottom! it looks like a top yielder, still got some one leaf mutations on her though! a lot of the one leafs did turn into 3-5 leafs though!
 

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Drella

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ive never experienced root bound. i got five 1/4" holes drilled in the bottom of cups. do you know they're root bound when they stop growing?

thanks, im hopeful for the monster!
 

terrorizer805

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Signs of a Rootbound Plant



  1. The pot has been filled with roots and there is very little soil left
  2. Because there is very little soil left when you water, it goes right through and drains out, nothing is retained
  3. The plant wilts within a day or two of watering, because with very little soil, no moisture is retained
  4. The roots are growing out of the drainage holes
  5. The roots are cracking the pot
  6. The plant is top heavy or way too big for the size of the container
 

Kriegs

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Everything looks really good... great job!

I wouldn't wait for a root-bound condition to signal transplant time, although it is nice if you can get the cup space fairly full of roots and get a coherent root ball that pulls out in one piece. Just easier to handle and you get less transplant shock, if you get any at all.

Those are clones in the cups, right? If so, they should fill the cups out pretty well in about a week under a 600; maybe even less. If you're getting active growth on the top, you're getting a lot of root growth down below too. If you know they're females, go right into a 3-gallon. Or even if you don't... but I know a lot of folks will use an intermediary pot size like 1-gal with unsexed plants so as to not chow up all their grow space and budget with a bunch of big pots that need to get sorted out anyway.
 
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