anybody got a green job?
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laughingduck
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I'm still trying to figure out what that is. Heard they are great!
jeff f
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sarcasm noted.
figtree
Active Member
Yep and yep. I know of many people by first names installing solar panels, power inverters, smart meters, making bio-fuels, algea research for fuels, hydroponics for agriculture. windmills are going up wonderfully around here, dont know anyone personally involved with the windmilss, but soon i will. recycling programs are in full force, research and development is going crazy in this area, and so on, and so on.
I feel a bit of sarcasm coming from you jeff..... you dont like our environment? or you just want the staus quoe with the oil companies? you like paying up to $4.00 a gallon for gas?
Whats wrong with making things better? even if global warming is a myth, why would you not want to make the environment better for the future generations? ever heard of "tread Lightly"?
There needs to be a scientific breakthrough, we have been stuck in the industrial age for way too long, we are on the verge of a green scientific breakthrough, it will change everything, and as people we dont know how to deal with change except to we fight it. I will not fight it, i want to have my foot in the door when it happens.
I want my Jetson's car damn it!
I feel a bit of sarcasm coming from you jeff..... you dont like our environment? or you just want the staus quoe with the oil companies? you like paying up to $4.00 a gallon for gas?
Whats wrong with making things better? even if global warming is a myth, why would you not want to make the environment better for the future generations? ever heard of "tread Lightly"?
There needs to be a scientific breakthrough, we have been stuck in the industrial age for way too long, we are on the verge of a green scientific breakthrough, it will change everything, and as people we dont know how to deal with change except to we fight it. I will not fight it, i want to have my foot in the door when it happens.
I want my Jetson's car damn it!
I
Illegal Smile
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Green jobs will never be anything but a symbolic drop in the bucket and a callous appeal for votes from misguided enviro-sheeple.
You can't really have many green jobs until most of the "oil" jobs are gone or going away. Oil is the cheapest most abundant supply of energy mankind has ever known. And we are running out.
I know hundreds of people involved in oil jobs, hell my whole family on my Dad's side works in the field. We have a bunch of windmills around here and more go up all the time, but I don't know any of those people.
I know hundreds of people involved in oil jobs, hell my whole family on my Dad's side works in the field. We have a bunch of windmills around here and more go up all the time, but I don't know any of those people.
420 swede
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There is no black ppl in the Jetsons, damn racist
lol
IAm5toned
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well since my career has me involved in both heavy construction and manufacturing, i can say this-
im not seeing much green technology anywhere.
it seems that at this point in time, architects and designers are somewhat shying away from green stuff.
ive seen a few big manufactures switch over to what is known as a L.E.A.N/Kaizen style of production... but soalr panels and wind turbines... not a one.
I can truthfully say that both technologies simply do not provide enough consistant available wattage for the justification of making such a major expendature financially viable.
Maybe in the private sector, i have seen a few solar rooftop panels, but the reality of those systems is that the massive batteries required to run your demand factor off of peak generation times often create a bigger carbon footprint than if you simply didnt have solar panels and used grid power....
Im all for green tech, but i think alot of people got suckered in by promising developmental data.
like heres a factoid for you- the raw material required to build enough wind turbine generators to reduce 25% of the national demand factor would take approx 25 years to mine, with exponentially increasing production costs as current energy costs rise. it would also drive the cost of copper and raw malleable(soft) iron to the roof, and recycled copper(unfit for generation/electrical purposes) is averaging 3$ a lb right now. the raw copper cost is off the charts... go buy some wire if you dont believe me... bring a brinks truck to pay for it.
Solar panels are even worse, like electric cars, the energy used to both acquire the raw material and then produce the finished, installed product, often exceeds the amount of energy that the product would save over its entire lifetime of operation.
So green tech is a great idea on paper, or in a campaign speech, but implementing it in reality is a challenge few correctly foresaw.
This is not the first time this country has gone on a green power craze, im sure some old hippies and heads around here remember the late 70's early 80's, the whole earth day creation thing, blah blah blah. Everytime our precious energy supply is threatened, this green power craze comes out of nowhere and takes the center stage for a bit, then once the apparent threat is lost in media shuffle, you hear less about it. Not because people dont care about it, in fact alot of people are taking interest in green tech these days, but in fact because green tech is simply easier to talk about than to do. for the usa to run on a green system, americans would have to alter there lifestyles in a way that most people cannot imagine, and few would be prepared to undertake.
So in my opinion, i think green tech has simply hit a wall, the same wall that has kept it from becoming the prevailant energy source- it simply costs too much, and expends too much to make it viable, or else the country would have been switched over decades ago.
edit p/s-
It all comes down to physics, really. There can be no action without equal and opposite reaction. That applies to everything, power generation included. You cant pull electricity out of thin air... there is always an equal cost, somewhere in the equation, you will expend just as much as you recieve. In the case of todays energy crises, the cost is both to our enviroment and economy... Its like one of Solomons problems.
im not seeing much green technology anywhere.
it seems that at this point in time, architects and designers are somewhat shying away from green stuff.
ive seen a few big manufactures switch over to what is known as a L.E.A.N/Kaizen style of production... but soalr panels and wind turbines... not a one.
I can truthfully say that both technologies simply do not provide enough consistant available wattage for the justification of making such a major expendature financially viable.
Maybe in the private sector, i have seen a few solar rooftop panels, but the reality of those systems is that the massive batteries required to run your demand factor off of peak generation times often create a bigger carbon footprint than if you simply didnt have solar panels and used grid power....
Im all for green tech, but i think alot of people got suckered in by promising developmental data.
like heres a factoid for you- the raw material required to build enough wind turbine generators to reduce 25% of the national demand factor would take approx 25 years to mine, with exponentially increasing production costs as current energy costs rise. it would also drive the cost of copper and raw malleable(soft) iron to the roof, and recycled copper(unfit for generation/electrical purposes) is averaging 3$ a lb right now. the raw copper cost is off the charts... go buy some wire if you dont believe me... bring a brinks truck to pay for it.
Solar panels are even worse, like electric cars, the energy used to both acquire the raw material and then produce the finished, installed product, often exceeds the amount of energy that the product would save over its entire lifetime of operation.
So green tech is a great idea on paper, or in a campaign speech, but implementing it in reality is a challenge few correctly foresaw.
This is not the first time this country has gone on a green power craze, im sure some old hippies and heads around here remember the late 70's early 80's, the whole earth day creation thing, blah blah blah. Everytime our precious energy supply is threatened, this green power craze comes out of nowhere and takes the center stage for a bit, then once the apparent threat is lost in media shuffle, you hear less about it. Not because people dont care about it, in fact alot of people are taking interest in green tech these days, but in fact because green tech is simply easier to talk about than to do. for the usa to run on a green system, americans would have to alter there lifestyles in a way that most people cannot imagine, and few would be prepared to undertake.
So in my opinion, i think green tech has simply hit a wall, the same wall that has kept it from becoming the prevailant energy source- it simply costs too much, and expends too much to make it viable, or else the country would have been switched over decades ago.
edit p/s-
It all comes down to physics, really. There can be no action without equal and opposite reaction. That applies to everything, power generation included. You cant pull electricity out of thin air... there is always an equal cost, somewhere in the equation, you will expend just as much as you recieve. In the case of todays energy crises, the cost is both to our enviroment and economy... Its like one of Solomons problems.
420 swede
Active Member
Even the few green products that do exists arent even green.
Lets take a car for example. The polution the prius creates by being manufactured, mostly due to the making of the batteries that are mined in cannada or somewhere close, then shipped all around the world put into a car then shipped back over the globe + the exhaust it actually do let out + the energy it takes to put the car together is pretty the same as driving your old piece of junk for 30 years or so.
The day they start manufacturing stuff that isn't shipped all around the world and are truely green, meaning for example safe cars using hydrogen, put together somewhat close by and sold somewhat close by. Thats the day u can actually say u are doing a long time save for the envirement.
just realised my post was pretty similar to the one above
Lets take a car for example. The polution the prius creates by being manufactured, mostly due to the making of the batteries that are mined in cannada or somewhere close, then shipped all around the world put into a car then shipped back over the globe + the exhaust it actually do let out + the energy it takes to put the car together is pretty the same as driving your old piece of junk for 30 years or so.
The day they start manufacturing stuff that isn't shipped all around the world and are truely green, meaning for example safe cars using hydrogen, put together somewhat close by and sold somewhat close by. Thats the day u can actually say u are doing a long time save for the envirement.
just realised my post was pretty similar to the one above
IAm5toned
Well-Known Member
yeah its a nasty cycle that becomes more apparent the harder deeper you dig into green tech.
nevermind the fact that with todays economy it isnt even possible to produce/manufacture locally like you said, there isnt a country in the world that has all of the required resources. either way theres global shipping involved.
nevermind the fact that with todays economy it isnt even possible to produce/manufacture locally like you said, there isnt a country in the world that has all of the required resources. either way theres global shipping involved.
420 swede
Active Member
we'll have remade covers of prince lyrics in 2030 going "Acid raid, acid rain" but hey.. at least toyota made a huge profit in the beginning of the century ^^
figtree
Active Member
i was speaking of the jetsons car not the show. i feel your humor though.There is no black ppl in the Jetsons, damn racist
figs the furthest from a racist you will probably ever know.
Green is good and we all know it. so what if people make money on it, isnt that the point of capitalism? i'd rather have my money going to green products that we produce than keep funneling all my money into the oil industry, it was good in its time, but we need to move on with our technology before we are left behind by the world. we need to step it up and become the main producers of this new "green" energy. before we become the same with the oil, a slave to OPEC, or whatever the governing body is.
Why would you not want free electricity to your home, plug your car in instead of gassing it up, provide extra energy to the grid to help prevent future brown outs, live in a world without smog or other particulates in our air?
medicineman
New Member
I could see my house with the roof totally covered with solar panels, my electric car plugged in, my pool heated by solar, etc, but then I'd just sell my "Junk" cars to someone lower down the ladder and they would continue to pollute. There are hundreds of thousands of new polluters born every day. Birth control seems like a great alternative energy policy. Every human being is born a polluter, Exhaling Carbon-dioxide.
laughingduck
Well-Known Member
I have found the switch people! Here is the plan, I will flip the switch on the 1st of february and we will be green. We can shut down all the carbon and nuclear based energy generation. Poof! We will all be green. Welcome back to the 18th century.
jeff f
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by treading lightly are you refereing to this?
or were you thinking more like this ?
or how about this?
and my all time favorite
feel free to let us know what part of this is "treading lightly"?
jeff f
New Member
you do realize that general electric just shut down their entire solar plant? green is already dieng. lets build some nukes!!
abe23
Active Member
Congratulations, Jeff! This thread is incredibly ignorant, even by your standards...
First of all, you start the thread by disparaging the entire green economy as a joke and non-existent, then a few posts later you're complaining that there's too much of it and it's cluttering up the landscape....!?!?! If you're going to start asinine threads like this, it would do you well to at least be consistent.
Obviously nuclear power needs to be part of our plan for sustainable energy, but that doesn't mean we should give up on everything else. What if we had invented the coal-fired plant and just decided that there was no need to improve on that...we wouldn't have nuclear power today. You don't have to be a tree-hugger or even acknowledge the impact of human activity on the planet (as you and many other on here refuse to do...) to recognize that it makes economic sense to develop a clean, sustainable energy source for tomorrow. If that's over your head then you should leave it up to the people actually doing something to find solutions instead of making fun of them.
First of all, you start the thread by disparaging the entire green economy as a joke and non-existent, then a few posts later you're complaining that there's too much of it and it's cluttering up the landscape....!?!?! If you're going to start asinine threads like this, it would do you well to at least be consistent.
Obviously nuclear power needs to be part of our plan for sustainable energy, but that doesn't mean we should give up on everything else. What if we had invented the coal-fired plant and just decided that there was no need to improve on that...we wouldn't have nuclear power today. You don't have to be a tree-hugger or even acknowledge the impact of human activity on the planet (as you and many other on here refuse to do...) to recognize that it makes economic sense to develop a clean, sustainable energy source for tomorrow. If that's over your head then you should leave it up to the people actually doing something to find solutions instead of making fun of them.
jeff f
New Member
Congratulations, Jeff! This thread is incredibly ignorant, even by your standards...
First of all, you start the thread by disparaging the entire green economy as a joke and non-existent, then a few posts later you're complaining that there's too much of it and it's cluttering up the landscape....!?!?! If you're going to start asinine threads like this, it would do you well to at least be consistent.
Obviously nuclear power needs to be part of our plan for sustainable energy, but that doesn't mean we should give up on everything else. What if we had invented the coal-fired plant and just decided that there was no need to improve on that...we wouldn't have nuclear power today. You don't have to be a tree-hugger or even acknowledge the impact of human activity on the planet (as you and many other on here refuse to do...) to recognize that it makes economic sense to develop a clean, sustainable energy source for tomorrow. If that's over your head then you should leave it up to the people actually doing something to find solutions instead of making fun of them.
the ignorant part is a greenie saying youre treading lightly. see above photos.
did i mention general electric just shut down their entire solar industry?
the facts are green is a joke.
libs should stop playing this stupid little childs game about saving polar bears and join the real world where power and transportation are vital for advancement and prosperity.
you act as if i am the fool. look at the pictures. thats foolish.
btw there used to be 5 or so windmills just outside reading pennsylvania. i went by there last week and they are gone. apparently more people that are finally getting it.