Tons of rust, dried out, no bugs, lots of pics: Please help

dukeofbaja

dukeofbaja

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Feel free to use my stupidity as a stonable quotable. Perfect example of newbie confusion. Lime vs. limes....lol. Just imagined chucking a shitload of lime peels and fruit into the soil....yeah, that'll work.

I just took some clones off the Black Domina mommy that was showing the worst of the infection. I clone using perlite in a 16 oz party cup along with a generous application of Schulz Takeroot. Having a Ph neutral medium should tell me if Ph is the issue, depending on whether deficincies persist or not. 7-14 days will tell us the truth.

I also still plan on adding some dolomite lime shit to the Black Domina mommy, but I have to wait until her soil dries out more as I flushed her good and she is still moist. I anticipate 2-3 more days until dolomite, and another 2-3 for results to show. So 6-14 days and we will have some scientificish conclusions to my query.
 
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Imaulle

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dolomite limestone. it's calcium magnesium carbonate. it keeps your soil at a pH around 7 which is the perfect range for soil
 
stumps

stumps

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yes two different things. Lime juice= acid. lime stone= base. Yes D-lime does help stablize your ph. But if you add to much it makes your ph go up.
 
Freda Felcher

Freda Felcher

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Imaulle said:
dolomite lime has pH of 7 (it's neutral)

so you can use it to raise or lower pH
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You were quoted saying dolomite lime is neutral and will both raise and lower the pH. That is wrong. It can raise pH, but not lower it.



I never mentioned anything about lime juice, so i don't know why you needed to add the discrepancy. And most gardeners are talking about "dolomite lime" when they say "lime". Your pictures were cute though, nice try.......SON!:lol:
 
doc111

doc111

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Imaulle said:
dolomite lime has pH of 7 (it's neutral)

so you can use it to raise or lower pH
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Wrong!!!! Dolomite lime is a caustic (alkaline). It raises soil pH. If you add too much it will raise the pH over 7. Anything with a neutral pH will not alter the pH of anything because it's.............neutral! :bigjoint:
 
Freda Felcher

Freda Felcher

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Imaulle said:
your issue is not pH related. do not worry about the pH, ever.

Old' "Imaulle" is chalk full of bad ideas in this thread. "do not worry about the pH, ever." Huh? What?!?! I can't believe no else called him out on that! Instructing a new grower that they don't ever need to worry about or check soil pH is unacceptable and shitty advice.

I apologize for not having anything better to add to this thread. I just can't sit back and read bad advice and not correct it when i know it's wrong. I'm dealing with some plant issues as well and have almost been led down the wrong path more than once. It sucks finding out you got poor advice after the fact. Good luck and I hope you figured out your plant problem!
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Freda Felcher

Freda Felcher

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Imaulle said:
your issue is not pH related. do not worry about the pH, ever.=Quote]

Old' "Imaulle" is chalk full of bad ideas in this thread. "do not worry about the pH, ever." Huh? What?!?! I can't believe no else called him out on that! Instructing a new grower that they don't ever need to worry about or check soil pH is unacceptable and shitty advice.

I apologize for not having anything better to add to this thread. I just can't sit back and read bad advice and not correct it when i know it's wrong. I'm dealing with some plant issues as well and have almost been led down the wrong path more than once. It sucks finding out you got poor advice after the fact. Good luck and I hope you figured out your plant problem!
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Freda Felcher

Freda Felcher

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Imaulle;"your issue is not pH related. do not worry about the pH said:
Old' "Imaulle" is chalk full of bad ideas in this thread. "do not worry about the pH, ever." Huh? What?!?! I can't believe no else called him out on that! Instructing a new grower that they don't ever need to worry about or check soil pH is unacceptable and shitty advice.

I apologize for not having anything better to add to this thread. I just can't sit back and read bad advice and not correct it when i know it's wrong. I'm dealing with some plant issues as well and have almost been led down the wrong path more than once. It sucks finding out you got poor advice after the fact. Good luck and I hope you figured out your plant problem!
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dukeofbaja

dukeofbaja

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So, I have cured the Black Domina plant!

It took two super soil flushes using <1 ppm distilled water, and then an application of cal mag after the second flush.

I used dolomite lime on another plant that had similar issues, but did not see any effect, good or bad.

The PH was definitely the issue. I took clones off the Black Domina at the height of the problem. The clones are in PH neutral perlite and just occassionally misted with the same distilled water. The clones all stayed green and healthy, no shit spots.

I'll toss in some pics later. As for now, I am going out to talk to a fellow OMMPer about doing an outdoor grow this summer.

Thanks to everyone who followed along and helped. I will rep those that posted good advice in this thread later tonight
 
doc111

doc111

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dukeofbaja said:
So, I have cured the Black Domina plant!

It took two super soil flushes using <1 ppm distilled water, and then an application of cal mag after the second flush.

I used dolomite lime on another plant that had similar issues, but did not see any effect, good or bad.

The PH was definitely the issue. I took clones off the Black Domina at the height of the problem. The clones are in PH neutral perlite and just occassionally misted with the same distilled water. The clones all stayed green and healthy, no shit spots.

I'll toss in some pics later. As for now, I am going out to talk to a fellow OMMPer about doing an outdoor grow this summer.

Thanks to everyone who followed along and helped. I will rep those that posted good advice in this thread later tonight
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I'm definitely interested to know what you thought it was. I had very similar problems with the last 2 batches of FFOF that I purchased. I wonder what is going on here. Keep us posted and I'm glad to hear you are having some luck. :bigjoint:
 
FLoJo

FLoJo

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pH is the biggest, most overlooked problem that most growers have. even experienced growers tend to look outside the realm of pH sometimes because even .1 point can mean the difference between minimal absorbtion of nutrients, or zero absorbtion of nutrients.

you correctly adresssed the issue.. your ph was most likely too high or low which in essence completely locked out the availabilty of nutrients

id suggest getting a nice pH meter. it is worth its weight in platinum.

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Shrubs First

Shrubs First

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Acuity said:
Looks burned by radiant heat to me.
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Could you explain how there is magically more radiant heat below the canopy than
at the top? I believe that the top of the plant would be experiencing more radiant
energy than the bottom..... This deficiency is clearly a mobile deficiency, most likely either Mg or Zinc
 
dukeofbaja

dukeofbaja

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I believe I know what the cause of the problem was.

I am stupid, and fairly new to cannabis growing.

Up to now, I have been using tap water left out for 24+ hours. However, for no good reason, sometimes I used hot water to fill the jugs. I know now why I should use cold water to fill the jugs, and why I should let the water run for 30 seconds or so first (hot water pipes have more sodium/calcium/shit buildup on them then cold ater pipes, letting it run for 30 seconds mitigates what amounts there are in the cold water pipes).

However, it is awfully odd that nothing of the sort had happened on my first grow or on subsequent plants in this cycle. FFOF is generally the best, A+ rock solid, but who knows if they skimped. This did only happen on plants in my B, C, and D generations, all from the same bag of soil, but only some plants were affected. Mill's Methods does not yield a conclusion on whether it was the soil.

To be honest, I think it was me and my hot water (also, ppm's in our local water jump during the winter as we use an alternate water source).
 
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