smokingrubber
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Watercooled, can you give me a rough idea how much water I would waist if I ran the HydroGen Pro in an enclosed 2 car garage? How many gal per day?
Hydro Innovations Ice Box 8" for 4000w Cooled by Swimming Pool?
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DIRTHAWKER
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I think im gonna scrap the whole watercooled idea ...it seems like way too much of a headache.. Im just going to find a nice AC unit and use the greenair cd-6 for co2.
Its worked for me in the past so why change.
Its worked for me in the past so why change.
smokingrubber
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hmmm good point.
The landlord pays the water bill at the spot im building. (we tried to talk him out of it.) Gotta know how much I would be dumping.
watercooled@
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If you ran it outside and duct in the C02, that's a different story. Why would you even add the water at that point and not just use a propane burner, or your BBQ for that manner?
Yup... the hot water heater was replaced with a hydrogenpro in a room I built. It now provides CO2 for the room and hot water for showers. When showering, the Co2 PPM obviously sky rockets.
Sorry man, I'm not sure right now. I have a pending test for someone in my thread, but have the room defunct right now while I experiment with some well water for the system.
I don't feel like it's wasting that much.
That'll work, but if you have the option of putting it outside and ducting CO2 into the room, just use a "normal" propane burner.
That sucks... I'm sure it will vary... you can check out propane water heaters, or portable water heaters for specs to get an idea of usage during on time... actual burn time to keep 1500 ppm... that's gonna take a while for me to posthmmm good point.
The landlord pays the water bill at the spot im building. (we tried to talk him out of it.) Gotta know how much I would be dumping.
smokingrubber
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According to HydroInnovation's charts: http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product2.htm and calculator, I will need approx 4½ cuft an hr. On the drain to waste thats 38 gal/hr. 38gal x 12 hr x 30 days = 13,680 gal a month.
That might have the water-police at my door. And the landlord!
It CLAIMS that I can use a 100 gal reservior and a 1hp chiller. But I would have to have that outside, and that's kind of no good.
That might have the water-police at my door. And the landlord!
It CLAIMS that I can use a 100 gal reservior and a 1hp chiller. But I would have to have that outside, and that's kind of no good.
DIRTHAWKER
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Ive been researching about c02 generators and i cant get an answer... Is there only certain models that are capable of ducting co2? And if so what would you recommend? My room is just about 1500 cubic feet.
I have a natural gas heater in a closet with the gas line and valve (not being used) ajacent to my flower room. I was thinking if i could find a ng co2 generator that can duct the co2 through the wall and have it plumbed to the ng gas line in the ajacent room, all my problems would be solved. I would never have to fill a tank again and the heat will be a non issue.
any recomendations would be appreciated.
I have a natural gas heater in a closet with the gas line and valve (not being used) ajacent to my flower room. I was thinking if i could find a ng co2 generator that can duct the co2 through the wall and have it plumbed to the ng gas line in the ajacent room, all my problems would be solved. I would never have to fill a tank again and the heat will be a non issue.
any recomendations would be appreciated.
smokingrubber
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Trust me, you ain't the first person to want that setup. Aside from the HydroGen I haven't seen a generator with a Co2 exhaust port.
DIRTHAWKER
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Yea it does sound too good to be true. But if the hydrogen watercooled is the only unit that has a duct port, and needs water to run, and if its housed in a seperate room.. then would the water even need to be cooled.. ?? I imagine the reservoir water would get freakin hot,, but would that matter? maybe like i mentioned before, just add a fan and a heatexchanger to the return of the reservoir to absorb some of the heat.
I appreciate the discussion.. trying to get things worked out before i implement.
I appreciate the discussion.. trying to get things worked out before i implement.
rbahadosingh
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i love how all of you hijacked my thread! no im j/k. lots of good info. ive been silently following along. ive kinda scrapped my idea for using the pool with the ice boxes. i have talked to a few people and they all say the ice boxes will give you humidity problems. so for right now ive decided to just get a 28000btu AC and use that instead.... but i may change my mind in a day or two.
DIRTHAWKER
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Yea arbah..i hear ya im pretty much over the watercooling headache
Im thinking '" Isnt my gas heater just a big co2 generator?" Why not just keep the pilot light lit and divert the exhaust into the flower room using powered damper vents and my co2 controller?
heres an article i found
http://ezinearticles.com/?CO2-for-Free&id=48431
watercooled@
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DIRTHAWKER
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Yo watercooled..check out my natural gas heater right next to my grow room.
If i could figure out a way to utilize it it would be ideal dont you think?
any ideas?
If i could figure out a way to utilize it it would be ideal dont you think?
any ideas?
watercooled@
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^^ Yup, that'll work. I have no ideas, but man get that burn gas into your room. I'll be checking your journal within the next couple days.
Look for a thread started by a gentlemen named Tat2ue - he did that exact thing with his heater, and his setup was pretty official.
After spending (literally) days and days researching this topic and emailing the Hydro Innovations people, I also said "fuck it".
Just gonna get a 24K mini-split and call it a fucking day - the technology is promising, but it's a little too "experimental" for me and my lack of engineering skills.
smokingrubber
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I'm pushing forward with the water-cooled tent. I gave up on the HydroGen because I can't cool the reservoir, and I can't waste 13,000+ gallons of city water a month. I'm going to use bottles of Co2.
I will attach an 8" inline fan to the carbon filter. I will suck in hot air at the top, pass it through the water cooler and expell the air back into the bottom of the tent. The TV2 controller will speed up the fan whenever the temps get too high, and the CHHC-1 will turn on the water pump. The lights will have a seperate fan going to the attic.
It sucks that I have to use bottles, but the tent will be completely sealed, cooled, and Co2ed. I will set up 3 tents exactly the same (two 4x9 and one 4x4). I'm going to be putting the Sentilels to work!
I will have one 100 gal res and a 1hp chiller in the garage. That will cool all 3 tents. A window AC in the garage will handle any extra heat put off by the chiller.
I will attach an 8" inline fan to the carbon filter. I will suck in hot air at the top, pass it through the water cooler and expell the air back into the bottom of the tent. The TV2 controller will speed up the fan whenever the temps get too high, and the CHHC-1 will turn on the water pump. The lights will have a seperate fan going to the attic.
It sucks that I have to use bottles, but the tent will be completely sealed, cooled, and Co2ed. I will set up 3 tents exactly the same (two 4x9 and one 4x4). I'm going to be putting the Sentilels to work!
I will have one 100 gal res and a 1hp chiller in the garage. That will cool all 3 tents. A window AC in the garage will handle any extra heat put off by the chiller.
Be careful when running sealed tents - they're not as sealed as you think, and without negative pressure, it can get real stinky, real fast.
That's why I'm probably gonna have a generator keeping my whole garage at 1500PPMs and my intake and exhaust fans constantly running (through a filter).
Also, in regards to water usage, that amount is alot, but it's not mind-blowing at all - see the link below - you could just have your buddy take showers and wash his dishes over at your place.
http://www.drinktap.org/consumerdnn/Home/WaterInformation/Conservation/WaterUseStatistics/tabid/85/Default.aspx
smokingrubber
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I will have a seperate filtered fan and fresh air fan just for the garage. So that will be 4 carbon filters running in the garage at once. That should be enough to handle any leaky tent. They should be sealed enough for my purposes.
That link stated that the average household uses between 1300 and 2000 gallons per month. I think 13,800 gallons (on lowest setting) would cause some raised eyebrows. Specially cuz the landlord pays the water bill at that residence! Plus, if I used the Hydrogen I would have to dose the whole garage constantly and I couldn't monitor each tent. With bottles, no heat and I can customize the levels for each tent day & night.
Well, you'd have four filters, but the problem is that three of them would (basically) never be running.
As I learned with my filter on my sealed tent, a filter ain't much good if the fucker never comes on - you get what I'm saying? You're gonna have one filter running to clean up all the smells that will be escaping from three tents - I don't like your chances.
I don't know what the best solution is in your case, but I can guarantee you that it's going to be a problem.
Also, I believe that "per capita" at the top of the link was "per person" and not "per household" - hell, for all they know you could have fifteen people up in there.
I was more looking at this:
"Average daily household water use : 350 gallons "
Multiply that by 30 and you're at 10.5, which is well within one standard deviation (I'd have to think, without doing a regression on water usage) from the norm and would be well within reasonable limits.
EDIT: I could be wrong, but I'd bet you dollars to donuts (first time ever using that expression, FYI) that you get tired of dealing with CO2 bottles within the first month of that setup.
You're going to go through about three per week (if using 20#). Bottles just don't really lend themselves to a grow of that size.
smokingrubber
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The fans on each tent will almost always be running. The fan/filter will be connected to a temp controller. The controller operates in 3 modes. off-idle-full. OFF at night when the temp drops below 60. IDLE (set on medium speed) at normal temps. FULL speed when temp gets above 80.
I will be using a 8" 700cfm fan on each tent for the filter-cooling.
I will use a seperate 6" inline just for the lights running out through the attic (on the same timer as the lights).
The water-heat-exchanger mounted on the line into the tent will provide cooling. The fans will automatically adjust their speed, and the CHHC will control the water pump.