that's not all of them either. most of those were started within the last month.
if i were smarter i'd understand what this all means. but i'm not, and i don't.
if i were smarter i'd understand what this all means. but i'm not, and i don't.
CrackerJax
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It means things will only heat up more as Obama crashes and burns all over. 
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Funny how libs now want the subject to be ANYTHING BUT Obama. A year ago they didn't want to talk about anything else. How the mighty fall.
wtf are you talking about? it's all YOU talk about.
nobody said "change the subject". i was just wondering why you needed so many threads. it looks "obsessive". just trying to help.
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There's some kind of story behind being surprised that a forum called POLITICS has a lot of threads about Obama. He is an historic president - the first one to actually burst into flames while in office!wtf are you talking about? it's all YOU talk about.
nobody said "change the subject". i was just wondering why you needed so many threads. it looks "obsessive". just trying to help.
CaRNiFReeK
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I consider myself to be pretty conservative. I do believe that certain regulations are necessary to propel our society forward. (Imagine a rush hour without traffic lights) I do not believe that a public option is an issue that we need to be handing over to the Federal Government. But I agree that our healthcare system needs radical reform, our society is rolling backwards where healthcare is concerned.
I read this article about a year ago. I have abridged the first 12 ideas. You can read the whole article here: http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/18-ideas-to-reform-health-care-now/article101364.html
Drop the smokes or don't bother applying: That's the ultimatum Jim Hagedorn, CEO of Scotts Miracle-Gro, gives his prospective employees. It all started back in 2003, when Hagedorn learned that a quarter of his 6,000 employees were smokers and half were overweight. What's more, health care costs were up 42 percent in four years, jeopardizing the health of his company. Hagedorn implemented a sweeping wellness program to hold his employees accountable. Now those who don't get help to kick the habit or take a comprehensive health-risk assessment pay higher premiums.
A former chain-smoker, Hagedorn also developed a $5 million Wellness Center, including a medical clinic that employees use free. There are no co-pays for the doctors, nurses, dietitian, physical therapist, or pharmacy (where generic drugs are free). Hagedorn predicts the facility will pay for its $4 million operating costs in the next few years.
He has reduced the number of smokers from 25 percent to 8 percent and wants to get it even lower. About 90 percent of employees complete the assessment, and 82 percent use the medical center.
I read this article about a year ago. I have abridged the first 12 ideas. You can read the whole article here: http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/18-ideas-to-reform-health-care-now/article101364.html
- Fight the Big Five
Common chronic conditions (including coronary artery disease, diabetes, congestive heart failure, asthma, and depression) are responsible for 75 percent of our health care spending. If just 1 percent of people with these conditions were successfully treated, we could shave at least $77 billion off the health care tab. "Diabetes is the fastest-growing disease in America," he says, so focusing on that alone could save billions. " - Reduce Medical Errors by Thinking Like an Airline
Medical mistakes kill nearly 100,000 people every year, according to the Institute of Medicine. "That is equivalent to a 747 crashing every other day," These errors, more than half of them preventable, cost the United States as much as $29 billion each year. - Get It Right the First Time
What a waste: As much as $312 billion is frittered away each year when patients are misdiagnosed or given the wrong treatment. - Pay Employees for Healthy Habits
When Safeway CEO Steve Burd discovered that 70 percent of health care costs are linked to unhealthy habits, he created incentives that sent his employees scrambling for the produce aisle. "No one quarrels with the fact that if you have three speeding tickets a year, you're a higher risk and should pay more for auto insurance," says the 58-year-old fitness buff. "Our new plan encourages employees to live healthier, and if they don't, then they bear some of the costs." The company's new plan has saved 13 percent so far, and employees who've signed up have saved 20 to 30 percent on their premiums. If other companies followed Safeway's lead, the country could save $600 billion to $800 billion. - E-Prescribe
Paper prescriptions are archaic and lead to 1.5 million injuries and 7,000 deaths each year from errors. But if every doctor got on board with an electronic Rx system, it would improve safety by making prescriptions easier to read and providing instant checks on drug interactions, dosages, and could cut drug-related injuries by a third and save $4 billion annually. - Use Retail Clinics for Routine Care
"Minute" clinics in major drugstore chains can help simplify health care, says Harvard business professor Clayton Christensen, by "offloading some of the work to nurse practitioners, physician assistants, and even patients." The AMA isn't keen on the idea: It wants doctors to at least supervise these clinics. Still, they're safe for minor things like sore throats, pulled muscles, pinkeye, wart removal, and vaccines. They're faster and more convenient. Plus, if you're uninsured, you'll pay 30 to 80 percent less than what you'd shell out for a doctor (and much less than you'd pay by going to the ER). For those who do have coverage, major insurance is usually accepted. - Share Information to Fight Cancer
Could it really be this simple? Get the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry to talk more openly so patients can get safer drugs more quickly and inexpensively. The nonprofit Critical Path Institute (C-Path) believes we can save money and lives by speeding up our nation's sluggish and costly drug-approval process. Speeding up the trial process could reduce the number of costly failed drugs and lower the price of prescription drugs in general. - Measure Results and Make Them Public
When doctors and patients work together to meet tangible health goals that yield proven results, great things can happen. That's the idea behind nonprofit Minnesota Community Measurement. The group sets standards of care for 14 conditions, and the onus is on doctors to counsel, motivate, and even push their patients to get with the program. The organization gathers outcome data and posts the percentage of patients at each clinic who meet all the standards for a particular condition on mnhealthcare.org. - Stop Unnecessary Treatments
We spend more than any other country on health care, but we're not healthier for it, partly because so much of the care delivered here is unnecessary, says Shannon Brownlee, author of Overtreated: Why Too Much Medicine Is Making Us Sicker and Poorer. "Cutting out even half of the unnecessary health care in this country," Brownlee says, "would be enough to cover every citizen who is now uninsured." - Reduce Infant Mortality
More than 2,000 infants die in the United States every month, many because they're premature. "The rate of premature births has been increasing steadily for decades," Preterm births cost us more than $26 billion a year, so preventing them would save billions of dollars and thousands of lives. - Make Schools Healthier
- Reward healthy eating. The nine million obese kids in this country are set to become the first generation with a shorter life expectancy than that of their parents. Schools can help by encouraging fun physical activity and rewarding healthy eating.
Drop the smokes or don't bother applying: That's the ultimatum Jim Hagedorn, CEO of Scotts Miracle-Gro, gives his prospective employees. It all started back in 2003, when Hagedorn learned that a quarter of his 6,000 employees were smokers and half were overweight. What's more, health care costs were up 42 percent in four years, jeopardizing the health of his company. Hagedorn implemented a sweeping wellness program to hold his employees accountable. Now those who don't get help to kick the habit or take a comprehensive health-risk assessment pay higher premiums.
A former chain-smoker, Hagedorn also developed a $5 million Wellness Center, including a medical clinic that employees use free. There are no co-pays for the doctors, nurses, dietitian, physical therapist, or pharmacy (where generic drugs are free). Hagedorn predicts the facility will pay for its $4 million operating costs in the next few years.
He has reduced the number of smokers from 25 percent to 8 percent and wants to get it even lower. About 90 percent of employees complete the assessment, and 82 percent use the medical center.
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Add tort reform and allowing insurance competition across state lines.
laughingduck
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oh shit I got something>>> We are all now subjects to the CHANGE.
Damn sometimes i kill myself!
Damn sometimes i kill myself!
FlyLikeAnEagle
Well-Known Member
Dear uninformed Limbaugh listener, the post office hasnt received taxpayer money since 1982. Facts are irrelevant to people such as yourself.
Dragline
Well-Known Member
Do you even care or just like bitching?
Here are some of those Republican proposals you swear aren't there!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas
Dragline
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Fuck this is a damn good post!!!! +rep
BigTitLvr
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The Constitution allowed for slavery, as well. There was also no such thing as heath insurance at the time of the early colonies. The founding fathers simply could not think of everything. But, instead consider the intent of the Constitution. "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..." To deny adequate health care to is deny all of that.
Consider for a moment, patriot, that the first few words of the Constitution are: "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union..."
Try to imagine what "We the People" implies. At the time, the colonies were breaking from their motherland and the bond they were forming is apparent in their carefully chosen language.
At some point, we are going to have to "Ask not, what your Country can do for you, but what we can do for our Country." To be a real patriot is to create a union of strength & prosperity. By neglecting our obligation toward our fellowman we are showing unbelievable weakness and selfishness. It is very UN-patriotic to care less for your neighbor's life and wellness.
And this is besides the larger point that the current policies are allowing these private companies to engage in price gouging and murder! In what other industry is that acceptable, today? When then SHOULD the government regulators get involved?
You will feel different the day they try to turn down a life-saving operation or medication for you or your child. They will rouse your anger that day, when you should had your conscience roused today.
We have a socialist Army, a socialist Policy and Fire Departments, etc... You need to consider deeply what should be the role of good government.
CrackerJax
New Member
Cut out the middle man????????????????
Man you are smoking dust or something..... You propose on inserting the biggest middle man there is..... the Federal government. The same government which has runaway out of control debt with all of its own health care programs already.
Talk about backward thinking.
Man you are smoking dust or something..... You propose on inserting the biggest middle man there is..... the Federal government. The same government which has runaway out of control debt with all of its own health care programs already.
Talk about backward thinking.
BigTitLvr
Well-Known Member
Dude, the experiment is already done, many times over, in every other industrialized nation in the world EXCEPT the U.S.A.Cut out the middle man????????????????
Man you are smoking dust or something..... You propose on inserting the biggest middle man there is..... the Federal government. The same government which has runaway out of control debt with all of its own health care programs already.
Talk about backward thinking.
Taxes will go up, but since you don't have to pay a private company who pays their senior staff in the multi-millions per year, it will ALWAYS be cheaper then private companies. Just like police verses private security force. Or Blackwater verses the military. Or the Post Office verses UPS. You will save money and never have to worry about going broke and bankrupt from medical expenses.
How hard is this to understand?
You can debate whether or not 'the government' can do the job well, but not whether it will be cheaper. It WILL be.
Dragline
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Why should I trust the federal government any less than a for profit insurance company? Single payer isn't some UK type system and my doctor wouldn't be a government employee. So I should be afraid of my government fucking up my insurance because of bureaucracy more than I should being dropped by my insurance company because I got sick? Besides, what NOBODY ever talks about would be the supplemental insurance you can by. Now I usually hate when people give anecdotal evidence. But Im watching a single payer system work just fine with my mom. Up until 6 years ago she was paying over $700 per month for health insurance and that was only because of her age as she had no pre existing condition. Then she turned 65, got medicare, and purchased a supplemental plan for around $180 per month. The ONLY thing medicare denied her coverage of, Blue Cross did as well! Luckily it was just a different diabetes meter her doctor recommended she try and relatively inexpensive.Cut out the middle man????????????????
Man you are smoking dust or something..... You propose on inserting the biggest middle man there is..... the Federal government. The same government which has runaway out of control debt with all of its own health care programs already.
Talk about backward thinking.
If you break your leg, you don't cut it off, you fix it! I would rather FIX government so it works. Not do away with it.
Dragline
Well-Known Member
Get ready for somebody to tell you the US has THE BEST healthcare in the world. Even though no organization informed enough to make such a claim would agree with them.
BigTitLvr
Well-Known Member
Right. the studies have already been completed. The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. health care system 27th in the world! Based on lifespan and cost.
We pay 6 times what other citizens pay for a single payer system and receive the least care. 40 million Americans can't afford insurance and many who have it get routinely denied care their doctors recommend.
The best health care in the world, right?
CrackerJax
New Member
Gosh and all those systems are either broke or going broke.
You're all on dope. I'm convinced of it now.
Anyone who has the financial means and is seriously ill in ANY of those socialized systems you love so dear ... flies to the United States to be treated ...
1.) We have the most modern medical facilities on earth
2.) We treat you in a timely fashion ... no waiting.
Every socialized medical govt run system is a mess.
You're all on dope. I'm convinced of it now.
Anyone who has the financial means and is seriously ill in ANY of those socialized systems you love so dear ... flies to the United States to be treated ...
1.) We have the most modern medical facilities on earth
2.) We treat you in a timely fashion ... no waiting.
Every socialized medical govt run system is a mess.